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Deuteronomy 27:15-26 (can somebody explain) - 8/11/2008 12:13:14 PM
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Devchenka
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Hi everyone im new here and i have a question. Could anyone explain me by supporting Bible verses and God's word how should we understand Deut., 27:15-26
Also verse 28:15-62 Moses wrote this book and i want to understand are those laws aply to our life TODAY?!
I mean how should we take Old Testement and aply to our life?
I went to church where one pastor gave me these passages after i asked Him to pray for my husband who's been sick for 3 years. He gave me this to read and see how God will talk to me through this.
But i never even though that God can curse people like this, and yet when i told all this to my husband and his parents they refused to listen to this and gave me this instead:
Ezekiel 18:1-20
John 1:17
Which i asume came from a different pastor, by reading this passages i see a different perspective now.
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RE: Deuteronomy 27:15-26 (can somebody explain) - 8/11/2008 12:47:47 PM
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Lapidoth
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Deut. 27 and 28 are the infamous
"Blessing and Cursing" portions.
Often as not we use them as a "catch-all" to
answer questions we have no answers for.
This is as simple as the laws of physics.
God laid down principles (or, laws of physics if you will)
that if we "do this --- this will happen" and "if we do that ---
that will happen."
Kinda like if you "touch a hot stove" your "fingers will get burned."
But, we not to uncommonly use these portions to accuse each
other we must have sinned if this or that happened.
It's a judgment call most of the time.
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RE: Deuteronomy 27:15-26 (can somebody explain) - 8/11/2008 12:49:11 PM
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Lapidoth
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Forgot to say "Welcome to Crosswalk."
And I gave you a pretty simplistic take on it.
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RE: Deuteronomy 27:15-26 (can somebody explain) - 8/11/2008 1:49:48 PM
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Theophile2
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Devchenka -
Lapidoth provides a pretty good summary of the proper way to take a look at the scriptures you were given by your pastor ... basic spiritual laws that God has set up - obey His laws and you will be blessed, if you disobey God (sin) you are likely to reap some consequences.
And that is a very good answer to your surface question.
But in truth you are really seeking guidance on how to respond to your husband being sick for three years, aren't you?
And the debate that ensues is non other than the one that Job had with his friends, and what Jesus taught on the subject. If someone is sick or destitute or their life is just filled with all sorts of financial, or relational, or physical, or emotional, or whatever pain, is it because that person is full of unrepented sin?
There is always that possibility. BUT. Job discovered that the reason God allowed him to go through his troubles was actually because it was the only way God knew Job would get out of his little religious rut and come to see God in a whole new light and have a much closer and more personal relationship with Him (Job 42:1-6).
And what did Jesus say about this subject:
Mt 25:34-40 "Then the King shall say to those on His right hand, Come, blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave me food; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you took Me in; I was naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You? Or thirsty, and gave You drink? When did we see You a stranger, and took You in? Or naked, and clothed You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You? And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you have done it to Me."
Jn 9:2-3 "And His disciples asked Him, saying, Master, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither has this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God might be revealed in him."
Jn 11:3-4 "Then his sisters sent to Him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick. When Jesus heard, He said, This sickness is not to death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God might be glorified by it."
And what did the Apostle Paul say about it:
Rom 5:3-4 More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, (4) and endurance produces character, and character produces hope (2 Cor 12:9-10;
And James:
James 1:2-4 Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, (3) for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. (4) And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
So here's the deal.
There are two basic reasons God allows any flavor of suffering:
- To draw someone closer to God; either as discipline from sin, or trial in righteousness, or an object lesson for an observer to subsequently changes his or her life to seek first the Kingdom of God
- To give someone else the opportunity to serve Christ through that person
No one but your husband knows if there's any sin he may or may not need to deal with in his heart. No one but your husband knows if the reason God is putting him through this trial is to draw him closer to God.
And no one on the face of this planet can give you a scripture from the Bible that will tell you which one it is.
The question I have for you and the rest of your family is this ... do you see this as an opportunity to serve Christ through serving your husband? Is this event bringing the both of you individually and together closer in your relationship to Christ?
Lord Jesus we thank you for another day of your new mercies and graces, and we praise you for you are El-Roi the God who Sees, you are Jehovah Jireh the God who Provides, and you are Jehovah Rapha the God who Heals. We ask Lord Jesus that you lay your healing hand upon Devchenka's husband and bring to him a quick recovery and perfect healing, and may their relationship with each other and with you be strengthened, deepened, and made more intimate in this their time of trial. We ask this petitions based on the promises of your Holy Word, that they be done in the power of your Holy Spirit, in your good will and timing, and to the Glory of your Kingdom. In Jesus name ... amen.
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RE: Deuteronomy 27:15-26 (can somebody explain) - 8/11/2008 6:54:59 PM
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steve7150
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quote:
I went to church where one pastor gave me these passages after i asked Him to pray for my husband who's been sick for 3 years. He gave me this to read and see how God will talk to me through this.
But i never even though that God can curse people like this, and yet when i told all this to my husband and his parents they refused to listen to this and gave me this instead:
I don't believe God curses us because the NT clearly demonstrates bad things come from Satan "the thief comes to kill and destroy" (John 10.)
God promised believers health in the Psalms several times "your leaf will not wither" Psalm 1.
So i repeat God's promises back to him because "My word will not return void to me, it will accomplish what i set it out to do" Isa 55.11 and because Paul told us to come boldly into the throneroom of God.
But then after we pray our job is to believe until God's promise is manifested.
IMO God wants us to stand on his promises.
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RE: Deuteronomy 27:15-26 (can somebody explain) - 8/11/2008 7:00:29 PM
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Devchenka
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Thank you for welcoming me Lapidoth.
Thanks for providing answer to my question Theophile2.
I didn't even think about the Job, when i read this, i start thinking about it.
I understand that sometimes God gives us suffering in our life for a reason, and for a long time it's been in my mind, so He can bring us closer to Him.
I always believe that if we sin God will let us know about it, like Lapidoth said. But mostly i was thinking that lately i feel that we are just doing or daily things
and not thinking about God, by saying that not giving Him our time and not just left overs.
We've been on the move so it's hard to find church right away and get involved. But sense my husband got sick he got weak spiritually, sometimes he doesnt want to go there, because
he said every time he tries to get closer to God he feels devil is behind his back to get him. And that's what will happen because he doesnt want anyone get closer to God.
But i've been just getting into God's word and seaking Him. I want my husband to be a spiritual leader but i don't want to forse him to read Bible and seek for God because it needs to come from his heart.
I was just trying to understand if God can really curse you but more positive on the side God is seeking for personal connection. I understand that no one but mu husband will know what's going on with him, until
he will directly start asking God for answers. Because as much as i try i personally don't see that my husband interested in searching for it, at least he doesn't show me that he does. When i talk to him about it
he doesn't say much back. Only thing i can do is pray and it's been really overwelming because doctor's can't find what's wrong with him, by simply saying it's in his head. But his stomach is been mestup for a long time
now having allergy on wheat and diary is just worse. I mean some days he says he is just so sick of everything and can't be normal again.
It's hard for me to watch him to go every day and feeling not healthy, although i notice he can consentrate on doing things he really like, but there are thing i believe like starting our day with talking to GOd and seaking for his
guidance for the coming day that i just can't push it in his face but pray for Him.
I trully believe that God is just waiting for him to brake his "I" and realize that God is in control.
You hear all this stories how God can do miracles beyond our understanding, and i trully believe that God is just waiting for us to commit to Him.
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RE: Deuteronomy 27:15-26 (can somebody explain) - 8/11/2008 7:43:04 PM
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Theophile2
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there are thing i believe like starting our day with talking to GOd and seaking for his guidance for the coming day that i just can't push it in his face but pray for Him.
You are a wise woman, Devchenka ... you recognize that you can not nag your husband about his relationship with Christ, but you also recognize that your responsibility is to go on with your relationship with Christ, continuing to worship Him every morning, and praying for your husband.
1Co 7:16-17 Wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife? (17) Only let each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches.
Lord Jesus, may you give your daughter Devchenka the emotional, spiritual, physical, mental, and relational strength she needs to persevere in this situation, and stay strong in her relationship to you.
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RE: Deuteronomy 27:15-26 (can somebody explain) - 8/12/2008 9:42:48 AM
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LBolt
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Devchenka, I believe that Yah will make all grace abound in your situation. James tells us to call for the elders and have them pray...anoiting with oil the pray of faith. You be encouraged, we love you and will be praying for you!
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