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Killing unbelievers - 5/20/2008 11:17:44 AM
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davidn87
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Can anyone point me to a passage in the Old Testament that had something to do with killing unbelievers? I am sure I read this but cannot find it again. Thanks.
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 5/20/2008 11:59:18 AM
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SanctifyYourselves
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I don't think the Old Testament mentions God commanding to kill "unbelievers" solely for their unbelief.
Inhabitants of Palestine/Canaan were killed or displaced for their own sins.
Deuteronomy 9:5 Not for thy righteousness...dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 6/2/2008 5:33:24 PM
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David, I came across this:
In 2 Chronicles 15:1-7 Azariah son of Obed prophecies to Asa (Son of Abijah and third king of Judah).
Asa, with Judah and many of Israel, moved by Azariah the prophet, renew a solemn covenant. JFB - 2 Chronicles 15:12
In 2Chr 15:13 they vow "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."
While this doesn't apply to those outside Israel; it appears to be as you said. In their renewal to God, Judah made a vow to execute unbelievers from among themselves. See Deut 17:2-5 where worshiping other gods and other abominations were punishable by death.
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 6/2/2008 6:27:12 PM
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ORIGINAL: SanctifyYourselves
David, I came across this:
In 2 Chronicles 15:1-7 Azariah son of Obed prophecies to Asa (Son of Abijah and third king of Judah).
Asa, with Judah and many of Israel, moved by Azariah the prophet, renew a solemn covenant. JFB - 2 Chronicles 15:12
In 2Chr 15:13 they vow "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."
While this doesn't apply to those outside Israel; it appears to be as you said. In their renewal to God, Judah made a vow to execute unbelievers from among themselves. See Deut 17:2-5 where worshiping other gods and other abominations were punishable by death.
This is not the equivalent of jihad. All one needs do to avoid these consequences is leave the nation of Israel. In Deut 17:2-5 we are talking about an action and not a belief. Also, in 2 Chronicles 15:12 we have a vow that was taken voluntarily, with great rejoicing and that was rewarded by Adonai. Therefore, we do not have the killing of unbelievers but simply holding people accountable for there vows and deeds.
12 They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul. 13 All who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman. 14 They took an oath to the Lord with loud acclamation, with shouting and with trumpets and horns. 15 All Judah rejoiced about the oath because they had sworn it wholeheartedly. They sought God eagerly, and he was found by them. So the Lord gave them rest on every side.
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 6/7/2008 9:24:54 PM
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lmwal931
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only GOD can take a life. legally. some people like the idea of GOD killing non-believers but i think our HOLY FATHER loves all HIS creation.
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 6/9/2008 1:14:17 PM
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You can't kill a person that's already dead.
There are several New Testament passages that tell us that unbelievers are spiritually dead. My copy of Vine's lists: Mat 8:22; John 5:25; Eph 2:1,5; 5:14.
It's not clear whether people who believed in the God of Abraham, but did did not know of the Christ who was to come would be numbered among "unbelievers". If so, the question of whether they should be killed in the flesh or brought back to life in the spirit is an interesting one.
I believe that Christ, in the day between His death on the cross and His resurrection, brought many earlier people from death back to life.
I realize that this strays from the question you originally asked, but I couldn't refrain from commenting.
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 6/9/2008 3:53:29 PM
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NealIRC
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ORIGINAL: lmwal931
only GOD can take a life. legally. some people like the idea of GOD killing non-believers but i think our HOLY FATHER loves all HIS creation.
Only God should take a life, agreed.
This is where I agree on you that we should get rid of the death penalty in countries that have them.
The death penalty in the U.S. isn't where God decides the death penalty, but the judge. That I find to be plain wrong and cruel.
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 6/9/2008 4:04:52 PM
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but i think our HOLY FATHER loves all HIS creation.
Prov 6:16 - 19 (NASB) 16 There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.
Mal 1:2 - 5 (NASB) 2“I have loved you,” says the LORD. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the LORD. “Yet I have loved Jacob; 3but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and appointed his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness.” 4Though Edom says, “We have been beaten down, but we will return and build up the ruins”; thus says the LORD of hosts, “They may build, but I will tear down; and men will call them the wicked territory, and the people toward whom the LORD is indignant forever.” 5Your eyes will see this and you will say, “The LORD be magnified beyond the border of Israel!”
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The death penalty in the U.S. isn't where God decides the death penalty, but the judge. That I find to be plain wrong and cruel.
Read Romans 13. With lethal injection, the only "pain" a murderer feels is a needle stick.
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 6/9/2008 4:33:02 PM
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O_o.
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 6/10/2008 7:16:02 AM
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Here's one reference.
In Joshua 6:25, Joshua tells the Isrealites that the inhabitants of Jericho are not to be spared, except for Rahab and her household.
It's Joshua speaking, but presumably repeating the instructions the LOrd has given him.
In Hebrews 11:31, the people who were not spared are characterized as "unbelievers".
This has something to do with killing unbelievers, but it's not clear that the inhabitants of Jericho are being killed for their unbelief.
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 6/10/2008 1:53:19 PM
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Ezekiel 18:30 "Therefore, O house of Israel, I will judge you, each one according to his ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!
I've always noticed that God's commands to kill all the inhabitants was limited to a specific location and as His Judgment. I also don't recall any commands such as this since the entry into Canaan ever since.
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RE: Killing unbelievers - 6/15/2008 5:29:54 PM
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maybe this comes close
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.
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Have you looked at some of the people we consider heroes in the Old Testament such as Gideon, Joshua, Samuel, Samson, Jael, King David; they killed off enemies, philistines, enemies of the Lord, etc. ... The book of the Laws such as Deuteronomy and Leviticus clearly outline how to deal with all kinds of people as well as the book of proverbs.
