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Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 3:52:26 PM
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humbleinspirit
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MIDDLETOWN, N.J. - Unlike his Republican opponent, Democrat Barack Obama is still raising money for his presidential campaign, and he turned Friday to rock legend Jon Bon Jovi for help.
Bon Jovi and his wife, Dorothea, hosted more than 100 people for dinner on their mansion lawn by the Navesink River in Middletown, N.J. The price was $30,800 a person, to be divided between the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
"When I look at Barack, I see an old man," Bon Jovi said in introducing his guest. Obama is 47, Bon Jovi is 46.
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"We're not going to be bullied, we're not going to be smeared, we're not going to be lied about," Obama said. "I don't believe in coming in second."
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 3:58:56 PM
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It's impressive the public support from celebs that Obama has had.
Rappers even have songs about him on the local radio. It's funny and interesting. He is a true rock star. Actors, singers, athletes...all like him.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 4:08:15 PM
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Just like Clinton I guess. 
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 4:10:03 PM
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Just like Clinton I guess.
Bill yes...Not Hillary.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 4:13:08 PM
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Actors, singers, athletes...all like him.
I enjoy the entertainment that actors, singers and athletes provide but I don't look to them for guidance on who to vote for  . Actors & singers generally skew liberal and combined with Obama's charisma its no wonder they flock to him. Not so sure about athletes but they tend to shy away from politics in my experience.
BTW: I know there are conservative actors, singers and athletes but as far as the first two they are outnumbered by liberals in those fields. Which is fine. And its fine that Bon Jovi is holding a fundraiser for his choice of candidate, he has every right to use the means at his disposal to make a political statement. I hope a good time is had by all. But it really doesn't affect anything very much.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 4:17:20 PM
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Stay tuned for posts about Bon Jovi's decadent lifestyle, offensive music, and un-Christian testimony, followed by labeling him and Obama best friends, (along with Ludacris and P. Diddy) and finally the statement: Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Father Flagler, Ludacris, P.Diddy, Bon Jovi, the Riddler, all are examples of Obama's questionable associations. How can anybody vote for a guy who is best friends with racist anti-American preachers, gangsta rappers, hard rock drug users, and arch villians?
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 4:20:10 PM
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...Obama is going to hell now.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 7:20:02 PM
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Stay tuned for posts about Bon Jovi's decadent lifestyle, offensive music, and un-Christian testimony, followed by labeling him and Obama best friends, (along with Ludacris and P. Diddy) and finally the statement: Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Father Flagler, Ludacris, P.Diddy, Bon Jovi, the Riddler, all are examples of Obama's questionable associations. How can anybody vote for a guy who is best friends with racist anti-American preachers, gangsta rappers, hard rock drug users, and arch villians? Of course! But we, who have some questions about Sarah, have already been labeled her "haters". It's a one way street with certain people. LOL.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 7:45:23 PM
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Stay tuned for posts about Bon Jovi's decadent lifestyle, offensive music, and un-Christian testimony, followed by labeling him and Obama best friends, (along with Ludacris and P. Diddy) and finally the statement: Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Father Flagler, Ludacris, P.Diddy, Bon Jovi, the Riddler, all are examples of Obama's questionable associations. How can anybody vote for a guy who is best friends with racist anti-American preachers, gangsta rappers, hard rock drug users, and arch villians? Of course! But we, who have some questions about Sarah, have already been labeled her "haters". It's a one way street with certain people. LOL.
Be careful calling her just "Sarah". That could come off as disrespectful and demeaning. She is, The Governor of The Great State of Alaska and Future Vice-President of the United States of America, The Honorable Sarah Palin. We want to keep the discussion going without having to debate ad nauseum appropriate befitting titles like we did with The Messiah, B. Hussein O., The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler and non-truly Christian.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 7:53:56 PM
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Bon Jovi and his wife, Dorothea, hosted more than 100 people for dinner on their mansion lawn by the Navesink River in Middletown, N.J. The price was $30,800 a person, to be divided between the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
When NObama was questioned about using Mile High Stadium for his acceptance speech he said it wasn't about him, it wasn't about being grandiose, but rather it was about the people. He wanted the people to be able to come and see a historic moment in time.
He continually tries to equate himself and Average Joe Biden as one of us, that he isn't elitist but rather just a regular guy.
Well $30k is a lot more than a lot of hard working people make in a year.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 7:56:25 PM
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Bon Jovi and his wife, Dorothea, hosted more than 100 people for dinner on their mansion lawn by the Navesink River in Middletown, N.J. The price was $30,800 a person, to be divided between the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
When NObama was questioned about using Mile High Stadium for his acceptance speech he said it wasn't about him, it wasn't about being grandiose, but rather it was about the people. He wanted the people to be able to come and see a historic moment in time.
He continually tries to equate himself and Average Joe Biden as one of us, that he isn't elitist but rather just a regular guy.
Well $30k is a lot more than a lot of hard working people make in a year.
Then work harder.
Wait a minute, I'm sounding like a Republican. 
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 7:59:50 PM
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Bon Jovi and his wife, Dorothea, hosted more than 100 people for dinner on their mansion lawn by the Navesink River in Middletown, N.J. The price was $30,800 a person, to be divided between the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
When NObama was questioned about using Mile High Stadium for his acceptance speech he said it wasn't about him, it wasn't about being grandiose, but rather it was about the people. He wanted the people to be able to come and see a historic moment in time.
He continually tries to equate himself and Average Joe Biden as one of us, that he isn't elitist but rather just a regular guy.
Well $30k is a lot more than a lot of hard working people make in a year.
Then work harder.
Wait a minute, I'm sounding like a Republican.
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Why should I so I can give it to NObama? Oh, wait, he's going to take it anyway.
Also, why work harder, NObama is going to give me everything. I'll just sit back on my lazy rump, get free health care, let the rich pay me with their tax dollars.
Shoot the more I think about it maybe I will vote for NObama! Hmmmm.....
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 8:19:04 PM
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Well $30k is a lot more than a lot of hard working people make in a year.
Expensive fund-raising dinners are hardly the monopoly of one party.
And on the subject of musicians & politicians, apparently the McCain campaign is getting in some hot water because they didn't bother to secure the rights to some of the music they played on various ads and during the convention:
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/meet-the-latest.html
http://www.theage.com.au/us-election-2008/singersongwriter-wants-mccain-unplugged-20080815-3wfc.html
I've also heard the same thing about their use of Van Halen's "Right Now." LOL!
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 8:21:22 PM
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Hmmmm, now did Bill Clinton ever get the rights to use the song "Don't Stop" by Fleetwood Mac as well? I thought that the band was initially unhappy about that, but then later got on board so to speak.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 8:44:03 PM
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And on the subject of musicians & politicians, apparently the McCain campaign is getting in some hot water because they didn't bother to secure the rights to some of the music they played on various ads and during the convention:
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/meet-the-latest.html
http://www.theage.com.au/us-election-2008/singersongwriter-wants-mccain-unplugged-20080815-3wfc.html
I've also heard the same thing about their use of Van Halen's "Right Now." LOL!
Actually a good argument could be made that this falls under the fair use doctrine.
Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered “fair,” such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:
1.the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2.the nature of the copyrighted work;
3.amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
Fair Use
Since the campaign commercials were neither selling a product nor requesting donations they can be considered non-profit.
Also, there is nothing illegal with playing any music of your choice at a convention as they were using it for entertainment purposes and not commercial use, they didn't charge people to listen to the music, nor did they profit in any manner from it's use.
If it were against copyright laws then every state fair, county fair, horse show, public event held across the country would be sued for infringement.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 8:51:28 PM
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Being famous doesn't mean you have brains... Most folks like Jon Bon Jovi are so out of touch it's not even funny... Their public comments are normally great fodder for laughs...
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 9:58:40 PM
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Actually a good argument could be made that this falls under the fair use doctrine.
Since the campaign commercials were neither selling a product nor requesting donations they can be considered non-profit.
Political campaigns are not non-profit educational organizations. Donations to political parties or candidates are not tax deductible. That's why churches get in trouble if they promote one candidate over another.
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Also, there is nothing illegal with playing any music of your choice at a convention as they were using it for entertainment purposes and not commercial use, they didn't charge people to listen to the music, nor did they profit in any manner from it's use.
They're trying to get the guy elected to be the most powerful man in the world. Profit doesn't have to come only in the form of cash.
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If it were against copyright laws then every state fair, county fair, horse show, public event held across the country would be sued for infringement.
There are procedures that organizations go through and licenses they pay in order to play/broadcast music to the public. You can't just have a business or a convention or a fair and play music to people w/o paying the proper royalties. One of the issues is that when an artist publishes material, there is an implied consent that this material can be used in other media as long as the proper royalties are paid. Another wired.com article I read specifically mentioned that this implied consent does not apply to synchronization rights (i.e. when the music is attached to video as in a soundtrack)
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 10:01:31 PM
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Being famous doesn't mean you have brains... Most folks like Jon Bon Jovi are so out of touch it's not even funny... Their public comments are normally great fodder for laughs...
But those same musicians young people look up to and even sometimes sway their votes (if they are old enough) as well.
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There are procedures that organizations go through and licenses they pay in order to play/broadcast music to the public. You can't just have a business or a convention or a fair and play music to people w/o paying the proper royalties. One of the issues is that when an artist publishes material, there is an implied consent that this material can be used in other media as long as the proper royalties are paid. Another wired.com article I read specifically mentioned that this implied consent does not apply to synchronization rights (i.e. when the music is attached to video as in a soundtrack)
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But what if the video is not for sale or not for profit though?
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 10:05:06 PM
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There are procedures that organizations go through and licenses they pay in order to play/broadcast music to the public. You can't just have a business or a convention or a fair and play music to people w/o paying the proper royalties. One of the issues is that when an artist publishes material, there is an implied consent that this material can be used in other media as long as the proper royalties are paid. Another wired.com article I read specifically mentioned that this implied consent does not apply to synchronization rights (i.e. when the music is attached to video as in a soundtrack)
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But what if the video is not for sale or not for profit though?
It's a misconception that the transfer of money is what determines whether or not copyrights have been violated. That may be the standard by which prosecutors choose to prioritize their prospective targets, but handing out or broadcasting copies of music for free w/o the proper licensing is still illegal.
There might be some leeway in legitimately educational non-profit circumstances, but political campaigns are not one of them. That's why you can't deduct political contributions on your taxes.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 10:07:16 PM
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There are procedures that organizations go through and licenses they pay in order to play/broadcast music to the public. You can't just have a business or a convention or a fair and play music to people w/o paying the proper royalties. One of the issues is that when an artist publishes material, there is an implied consent that this material can be used in other media as long as the proper royalties are paid. Another wired.com article I read specifically mentioned that this implied consent does not apply to synchronization rights (i.e. when the music is attached to video as in a soundtrack)
-Dan.
But what if the video is not for sale or not for profit though?
It's a misconception that the transfer of money is what determines whether or not copyrights have been violated. That may be the standard by which prosecutors choose to prioritize their prospective targets, but handing out or broadcasting copies of music for free w/o the proper licensing is still illegal.
There might be some leeway in legitimately educational non-profit circumstances, but political campaigns are not one of them. That's why you can't deduct political contributions on your taxes.
-Dan.
Even if it is partial, as in fair use?
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But those same musicians young people look up to and even sometimes sway their votes (if they are old enough) as well.
Ignorance is bliss...
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 11:18:48 PM
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Even if it is partial, as in fair use?
I don't understand.
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RE: Rocker Bon Jovi hosts Obama fundraiser - 9/6/2008 11:22:34 PM
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Even if it is partial, as in fair use?
I don't understand.
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You know, like they only use 30 minutes of a song, and it is not for sale at all, but is either on a show or being given away for free instead.
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