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Sense & Nonsense - 7/28/2008 11:05:05 AM
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hellohellohi
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Agree or disagree:
There is sense to some statements and none to the others. Deciding which is the case in any instance is easily accomplished by asking simple questions and repeating if necessary. Resolution will be found when the questioner runs across a contradiction: such will mark nonsense. Sense, on the other hand, if questioned by abject doubt (nonsensible questioning) will be marked by paradox, in which the terms employed the questioner are found to be circularly or paradoxically defined or to have no apparent reality at all (consider "free will" for example -- this is such a concept, empty in itself, which could lead to the paradox of Christianity through questioning) -- that is, to be quite precise, the question will turn inward, questioning its own abject origins, questioning the questioner.
In this way, Christianity is inevitable.
Agree or disagree?
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RE: Sense & Nonsense - 7/28/2008 2:00:44 PM
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OOOOOOOOOO.K.
Give us a blow by blow example please. Perhaps flesh out the example of "free will".
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RE: Sense & Nonsense - 7/28/2008 2:08:21 PM
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hellohellohi
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How about I just clarify by saying that I mean free will is empty in itself in that we are not capable of doing anything of definite worth -- all values are ambiguous. But free will does become valuable or at least important when we consider, from a Christian point of view, that we have to lay it down in favor of God's immutable will.
The above is not an example of the recognition of sense and nonsense arrived at through dialogue though.
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RE: Sense & Nonsense - 7/29/2008 9:24:42 AM
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car2ner
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I think what we have here is a breakdown in communication. Giving you the benefit of a doubt, there is probably a really interesting discussion here but I still have no idea what you are implying.
I did enjoy discussions of free-will vs predestination in church... scriptures support both views like two sides of the same coin. But that is only your example and not what you really want to discuss, correct?
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RE: Sense & Nonsense - 7/29/2008 10:54:39 AM
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hellohellohi
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In the interest of communication:
I am asking whether anyone thinks that asking questions of words will inevitably lead to the Word.
Observe: we can say anything we like: such doesn't have to lead anywhere. But someone might ask questions in the interest of understanding what the other person is talking about.
There is a supposition that someone could be speaking sensibly or nonsensibly. Really, I would equate nonsense with lying. I am suggesting that sense could be detected by a questioner finding out that his OWN questions were nonsensical and disengenuous, whereas nonsense (lies) will be eventually caught in a contradiction. However, it is interesting to consider that when a questioner insists on abjectly doubting the truth by posing further questions, a circular or recursive relationship will be evident in the terms that the questioner settles upon: thus, Christianity is realizable only as paradox externally, logically, or objectively.
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RE: Sense & Nonsense - 7/29/2008 11:43:09 AM
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I followed your train of thought until I got to your last statement quote:
thus, Christianity is realizable only as paradox externally, logically, or objectively.
I see alot of what you are suggesting overall in one of the one-stop threads I lurk in. Noone has changed their mind in the course of many pages of debate. Overall, I think most folks have dug in their heels all the more. To change their mind would require a serious paradigm shift. This can be very unsettling. Usually it takes a life changing event to cause such a shift.
Now, I still cannot see how you are appying this to Christianity as a whole.
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RE: Sense & Nonsense - 7/29/2008 3:26:53 PM
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hellohellohi
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Yes, I think that people come to a point where they are simply "digging in their heels," at the moment that they find that there is paradox in their questions.
I suppose I believe Christianity surpasses or provides a way past paradox, or at least affirms one paradox above all: love.
Anyway, sorry for have troubled you with vagueness.
What one-stop are you talking about?
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RE: Sense & Nonsense - 7/30/2008 1:53:33 PM
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take your pick... that is why we have one stop threads here. The one I lurk in is the Marriage, Divorce and Remarriage thread. It is amazing that both sides of the debate use the same scriptures to support their interpretation.
Over the years, I have changed my understanding of this issue. I can understand both sides of the debate. I would not draw the conclusions that some of these posters have so adamently held onto. They seem to honestly feel that they are trying to saving folks from eternal destruction. I can at least honor them for that even if I do not agree with their conclusions.
I heard one person put faith this way... either there is one correct religion or none. I cannot be All Roads because there is too much contradiction (nonsense). There simply cannot be one god and multiple gods, for instance. It is man's duty to find out which is the correct one... and scripture teaches that we even need God's guidance to do that.
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