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Teachers Job Interview - 6/18/2009 9:54:54 PM
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navyblueret
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Since (ed 061909//as//) the government takes prayer out of schools, some teachers might interview like this:
Quoted from an e-mail forward I received:
After being interviewed by the school administration, the prospective teacher said:
“Let me see if I've got this right.”
“You want me to go into that room with all those kids, correct their disruptive behavior, observe them for signs of abuse, monitor their dress habits, censor their T-shirt messages, and instill in them a love for learning.
You want me to check their backpacks for weapons, wage war on drugs and sexually transmitted diseases, and raise their sense of self esteem and personal pride.
You want me to teach them patriotism and good citizenship, sportsmanship and fair play, and how to register to vote, balance a checkbook, and apply for a job.
You want me to check their heads for lice, recognize signs of antisocial behavior, and make sure that they all pass the final exams.
You also want me to provide them with an equal education regardless of their handicaps, and communicate regularly with their parents in English, French, Spanish or any other language, by letter, telephone, newsletter, and report card.
You want me to do all this with a piece of chalk, a blackboard, a bulletin board, a few books, a big smile, and a starting salary that qualifies me for food stamps.
You want me to do all this and then you tell me. . . I CAN'T PRAY?? “
I do not envy the future of the teacher, nor envy the job they must do.
In Messiah, His Shalom, Strength, and Wisdom, upon all. Arley
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RE: Teachers Job Interview - 6/19/2009 7:08:31 AM
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garsyt
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This is NOT the forum for something like this.
This forum is for the support of parents and teachers and students that are in public and private school systems.
This is NOT supportive in anyway.
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RE: Teachers Job Interview - 6/19/2009 7:35:15 AM
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Rushlight
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I just did an interview at a public school and the principal and I discussed Church and faith several times. Guess it's helpful I'm in the Bible Belt. 
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RE: Teachers Job Interview - 6/19/2009 11:19:01 AM
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navyblueret
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quote:
ORIGINAL: garsyt
This is NOT the forum for something like this.
This forum is for the support of parents and teachers and students that are in public and private school systems.
This is NOT supportive in anyway.
Blessings,
Garsy
garsy t, Shalom.
My apology for your misunderstanding my intent, as I posted this for the exact reason this Forum states, complete support, and honoring of those in the profession, through recognizing the tribulation they face.
Again I am sorry I was unable to communicate that notice of support to your mind. Please read it as such, and see if you do not change your mind about my offering.
In Messiah. Arley
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RE: Teachers Job Interview - 6/19/2009 3:24:39 PM
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garsyt
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Public and Private School Support
Discuss the local PTA, or issues within your public or private school here.
This is what belongs in this thread.
I KNOW many many teachers in several different midwest school districts. NONE of them have EVER been told they are not allowed to pray for themselves, for their students, or for their schools. Not a one. What I DON'T want teachers in my kids' public schools doing is leading MY children in prayer or telling my kids they can't say a silent prayer before a test or their lunch or whenever, as long as it is not interrupting class time or some other student.
I personally do not want teacher or administrator lead prayer in my kids public school. I'd rather have a moment of silence - like we have now.
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You want me to go into that room with all those kids, correct their disruptive behavior, observe them for signs of abuse, monitor their dress habits, censor their T-shirt messages, and instill in them a love for learning. I want my kid's teachers to correct disruptive behavior, notice when something isn't right with a student, CARE if some student appears dirty and isn't wearing clean clothes, CARES if someones t-shirt is not appropriate for school AND that the kids come out of that classroom ready to learn. AND YES they are allowed to pray - just not lead MY child in prayer.
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You want me to check their backpacks for weapons, Yes I want them to notice if things aren't appearing normal and if that means checking a backpack if warranted then YES! quote:
wage war on drugs and sexually transmitted diseases, I sure has anything want my kids teachers to notice if something isn't right AND do what they can to get a child the help they need! quote:
and raise their sense of self esteem and personal pride. A child that isn't just a number or a body in a classroom to a teacher and is NOTICED by the teacher for the good they are doing will learn that they are somebody and YES that is important. AND YES they can pray for their jobs and their students and schools! They just can't impose their brand of faith on MY child.
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You want me to teach them patriotism and good citizenship, sportsmanship and fair play, and how to register to vote, balance a checkbook, and apply for a job. Sure - why not? AND once again it is the teachers religious freedom to pray for themselves, their students and their school, they just can't lead a classroom of students of a variety of faiths or sometimes of no faith at all in prayer.
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You want me to check their heads for lice, recognize signs of antisocial behavior, and make sure that they all pass the final exams. In the district my kids attend - IF there is a suspicion of headlice in a classroom ALL the kids are checked - BY the district nurse and NOT the teacher. I would hope a teacher would realize when a students behavior is in question and do what they can to get the kid some help, and I WANT the teachers to do all they can to make sure my kids and others to pass their tests and remain, at least at grade level! AND YES if they feel the need to pray for themselves and their students and their school, they are so allowed to do so - just not leading the class or out loud in the classroom. God still hears the quiet and silent prayers! He hasn't lost his hearing!
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You also want me to provide them with an equal education regardless of their handicaps, Absolutely - with the help of special needs professionals and help from parents and administration to the best ability of the student!
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and communicate regularly with their parents in English, French, Spanish or any other language, by letter, telephone, newsletter, and report card. Now it may seem like a lot of work but communication is KEY and I admire teachers that can communicate and does with parents despite how hard it is! And still teachers are allowed to pray for themselves, their students, their families, and their schools! They just can't lead the classroom of students who may be of 18 different faiths in a general prayer. That would be over stepping their bounds to me.
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You want me to do all this with a piece of chalk, a blackboard, a bulletin board, a few books, a big smile, and a starting salary that qualifies me for food stamps. With this I agree! Schools are horribly underfunded in many areas, and many teachers across our country are horribly underpaid.
BUT IF a teacher is ever told they are not allowed to pray for themselves, their students, their jobs or their schools - they are being LIED to. Just so it doesn't interrupt class time and the teacher is not leading a full classroom of several different faiths in a prayer based on their faith then they are more then LEGALLY okay to do so.
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You want me to do all this and then you tell me. . . I CAN'T PRAY?? “
THAT is what I had trouble with. I mean really - who's to tell a teacher or any other school employee they can't pray while they are driving to school or before the kids arrive, or during their prep period. I know of dozens of teachers that do this sort of thing EVERY day and the administration likely doesn't care or wouldn't know in the first place.
Blessings,
Garsy
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RE: Teachers Job Interview - 6/19/2009 3:46:56 PM
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navyblueret
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Garsy,
I quote what I wrote, just before the quotation marks of the article: I wrote: "Quoted from an e-mail forward I received: "(emphasis mine//as//)
The story-line is all about loss of a teachers right to pray and is offered by parady/comedy/satire.
Tell you what, since you seem to have completely missed my point, which I guess I didn't make very well, why don't you just not come to this thread, so you will not have to take exception to my obvious error, that seems to be without the humor I intended people to take it as.
Shalom. Arley
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Messiah, my Captain, and Helmsman.
(Joh 14:6 KJV) ... I am the way, the truth, and the life: ...
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RE: Teachers Job Interview - 6/19/2009 5:57:57 PM
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momma_bee
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Actually, there are a few things on that make-believe list I don't want the teacher to be doing. It would take away from the time they are suppose to spend TEACHING.
You post is satirical, I've received similar emails myself, but it perpetuates a myth: That a teacher CAN'T pray. No, they can't force my child to pray, they can't lead my child or teach them about faith, but they certainly can pray, and many do.
Suggesting that they can't may discourage people from considering public school as an option for the wrong reason.
My kids were taught about St Patrick the person in March, sing Christian hymns and carols (as well as Jewish songs) and know where many of their teachers go to church. I would hope they pray for my kids - I pray for them and not just because they have my children to deal with. 
We have a great sense of humor here and kid each other, but the primary purpose is to encourage and support teachers, parents and students who are using, or are considering using, public schools.
Satire doesn't do that and may have been better suited to another folder.
That being said, I as I read it, I could hear my drama queen daughter going "you want me to do WHAT?" in my mind.
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RE: Teachers Job Interview - 6/19/2009 6:31:55 PM
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I understand the intent of the email but still don't really care for it. After reading it there were two things that came to mind. If a teacher has those feelings about teaching in the public schools then they should just go to a private school. My other thought was why can't the teacher pray at home.
So those are my thoughts of the email.
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RE: Teachers Job Interview - 6/19/2009 6:59:41 PM
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navyblueret
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To One and All, Shalom.
Please accept my deepest apologies for offering something I considered, a satirical bit of gibberish, which, IMO, does tend to address some of the things wrong with the school system, Nationwide, but not totally inclusive of every experience.
I respect teachers, and know better than most, the problems they have, coupled with the political restraints they endure.
I have tried to explain the humor of what I saw, which means there is no humor in the story-line. Explaining humor is a death-knell to jocularity. Sorry no one could just laugh, but found the necessity of dragging humor into the serious.
In Messiah. Arley
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In the name of 'THE' Mashiach, Man the wall, set the watch, sound the Shofar. Our redemption draws nigh.
Messiah, my Captain, and Helmsman.
(Joh 14:6 KJV) ... I am the way, the truth, and the life: ...
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RE: Teachers Job Interview - 6/19/2009 8:14:56 PM
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garsyt
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quote:
ORIGINAL: navyblueret
Garsy,
I quote what I wrote, just before the quotation marks of the article: I wrote: "Quoted from an e-mail forward I received: "(emphasis mine//as//)
The story-line is all about loss of a teachers right to pray and is offered by parady/comedy/satire.
Tell you what, since you seem to have completely missed my point, which I guess I didn't make very well, why don't you just not come to this thread, so you will not have to take exception to my obvious error, that seems to be without the humor I intended people to take it as.
Shalom. Arley
The problem with these types of e-mails that get forwarded and forwarded and forwarded again, is that eventually they get to folks that take them seriously. Navyblueret - I know most of the people on this thread pretty well - but I don't know YOU very well at all. Therefore simply by rehashing what's meant to be a satirical, it's hard for some - including myself - to ALWAYS get the joke, especially when often enough there are folks that are CONSTANTLY so focused on whats wrong they totally miss the positives.
So I too am sorry I missed this as a humorous piece. I guess I just didn't see it as very funny.
Blessings,
Garsy
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RE: Teachers Job Interview - 6/22/2009 5:43:18 PM
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Kath
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret
I quote what I wrote, just before the quotation marks of the article: I wrote: "Quoted from an e-mail forward I received: "(emphasis mine//as//)
This thread is closed for Terms of Service 8 and 9 violations.
You are not allowed to post an entire article, even if permission has been granted from the copyright holder. You are allowed to post a small portion (3 paragraphs or less) with a link to the rest of the material. If you cannot provide a link then you are not allowed to post the material in our forums.
If you have received the material via email you are not allowed to post it in our forums. Thank you for your cooperation.
TOS 9 as the thread is not appropriate for this folder. If you wish to discuss the problems with the public school system in general then you would need to discuss it in the Parenting folder.
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