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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 9:32:30 AM
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rlj
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I think that is a pointless ticket. If I were Obama I would check with Ted Strickland of Ohio. While George Will said it first at the start of the campaigning he would be an outstanding fit image wise. The image of Obama running with a card carrying member of the NRA who won their endorsement for governor in '06 should be too good to pass up.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 9:44:49 AM
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Will it be unstoppable? That's hard to say, I guess it all really depends on how they go about it.
How does Hillary reconcile all the disparaging comments she made about Barack, saying he isn't qualified or ready to start on day one, that he is naive when it comes to foreign policy, that he isn't electable?
Of course she can just use the old standby that it was all campaign rhetoric but the question is will the voters buy it?
Will her supporters feel that she sold out? Will they feel that Hillary was given the VP just to appease her, give her a consolation prize? If so will they support Barack? A lot of women voters have stated that if Hillary doesn't get the nod then they would vote McCain.
Add to all this that I think Hillary would do everything she could to either undermine his presidency or try and make it appear to be a co-presidency.
What would Bill Clinton bring to the party. We all saw how his efforts actually hurt Hillary in some cases, what would he do to the Barack campaign, especially after accusing them of constantly using the race card?
There has been so much mud slinging between the two of them I don't see how you could realistically mend those fences. Everyone would know that it would just be pandering for votes.
Finally, I don't think Barack wants Hillary on the ticket. I suppose he could be forced to but then the animosity still lingers so frankly I think it does a lot more to hurt him than it does to help. JMHO 
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 10:15:43 AM
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How could Hillary and Bill be VP?
They are a team and how would you govern with 2 people who think they are too smart for everyone else.
If he puts Hill in there, that brings all her haters and put those with his haters, you get a losing team.
He needs a military hawk, a white male.
I like the guy in SC? the one who beat the guy who used the word michahca?
Sad part is I don't like BO.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 10:22:41 AM
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I saw on CBS last night that Obama and Hillary have hard feelings, as do their staffs...so if he were to choose her, it may not work at all.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 11:14:55 AM
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BREAKING NEWS.....
I just heard on CNN that the Clinton camp will be announcing that Barack Obama has enough delegates to get the democratic nomination!!
Is the "Dream Ticket" looking more likely?!?
She finally threw in the towel too bad.
A Obama/Clinton ticket a dream ticket? As much as nightmares are dreams I suppose...
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 11:27:18 AM
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Ooops...now:
Clinton not ready to admit defeat, official tells CNN
Hillary Clinton is "absolutely" not prepared to admit Barack Obama has beaten her in the race for the Democratic nomination for president, her campaign chairman told CNN today. Terry McAuliffe rejected as "100 percent incorrect" an Associated Press report that Clinton is preparing to concede the race tonight.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 12:07:03 PM
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As someone posted days ago (somewhere around here), if Billary is the VP nominee, and if they were to win...watch out Obama! Billary has been known to...ahem..."deal with" those that get in the way!
That thought it frightening when you consider Pelosi would then be next in line.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 12:12:32 PM
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Would Billary even want the VP?
Pelosi is so far out there. Man! I hate to even think of that. When ever I see her I always just want to ask what drugs are you using?
Her eyes are always so dilated.
Prescriptions?
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 12:14:23 PM
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As someone posted days ago (somewhere around here), if Billary is the VP nominee, and if they were to win...watch out Obama! Billary has been known to...ahem..."deal with" those that get in the way!
That thought it frightening when you consider Pelosi would then be next in line.
I doubt Hillary would take second banana. She can do more as a senator than a VP. He will likely pick someone less controversial.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 12:31:47 PM
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I doubt Hillary would take second banana. She can do more as a senator than a VP. He will likely pick someone less controversial.
Serious question here. How much influence do you think Hillary will have after this election, especially if she decides to go all the way to the convention or maybe even the courts?
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 12:41:57 PM
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This issue has become tougher than I once thought. A couple months ago, I said that if Clinton won the nomination, it would make a lot of sense to put Obama on the ticket as VP. But I also said that if Obama's the top guy, it wouldn't make sense for him to put Clinton on the ticket as VP. On balance, I still think this is right, but it's not as clear-cut to me as it was when I first wrote it.
I think it's true that having Clinton on the ticket really amps up the soap opera angle on a number of fronts. We'll all be obsessed with how the two of them are getting along, whether the primary season wounds have healed, and who will really be in charge - especially when the male Clinton is tossed into the mix. Instead of watching All My Children, soap opera addicts will be able to get their fill in primetime by watching daily episodes of All My Egos. I continue to be a bit puzzled about why Obama would want to sign on for this when he doesn't have to. It's hard to believe that the soap opera stuff, whether real or imagined, won't negatively impact Obama's ability to talk about issues and do what he wants to do as a matter of governance. BTW, the idear that Clinton would turn down the VP slot because she thinks she can have greater clout in the Senate is a bit problematic. She's a junior senator in her own home state, and she is years away from ever gaining committee chairmanships, which is where the power is. She would have to make a rather lengthy commitment to serving in the Senate to really see the fruits of power. John Kerry had been in the Senate for much longer than Hillary when he ran in 2004 and had a lot more seniority. But when he went back to the Senate, he became just as uninfluential as he was prior to running for president.
On the other hand, I have been a bit surprised at the degree of loyalty that's been shown by Clinton's core voters. Unlike Obama, Clinton doesn't really trance people into having the kind of routine Messiah moments that can build passionate (blind) loyalty. So I had always thought that while Clinton's voters would be disappointed if she didn't come out on top, it wouldn't take long for them to get swept up in Obamaism thanks to a strong assist from the press. I figured that the primary season wounds would be fairly temporary and would largely be forgotten and smoothed over in plenty of time. I'm not as sure of this today as I was 2 months ago. Loyalty to Clinton has remained quite strong and has even intensified in the last month.
A palpable belief is emerging that Clinton has been treated unfairly by both the press and the Democratic Party establishment. There's a bitterness here that goes beyond disappointment over someone losing, because it's being fueled by the belief that she's gotten the shaft. Whether this is true or not is not the issue. If large segments of Clinton's voting base feel disenfranchised, that's not a minor issue for Obama. And if he or his people think they NEED Clinton on the ticket as the only real way to bring the various factions of the Democratic Party together, they may feel like they don't have much choice but to do it. Obama can't afford for even a fifth of likely Democratic voters to stay home because they feel disenfranchised by the nomination process.
In the end, I'm still marginally inclined to think that Obama will go with someone else as a running mate. But for me, it's a much closer call than it was a month ago, and if he decides to put Clinton on the ticket, I won't be altogether surprised.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 1:51:35 PM
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In the end, I'm still marginally inclined to think that Obama will go with someone else as a running mate. But for me, it's a much closer call than it was a month ago, and if he decides to put Clinton on the ticket, I won't be altogether surprised.
I agree that Obama will probably NOT choose Hillary as a V.P. However, Hillary will probably have a prominent role in Obama's campaign if she is to convince the majority of her supporters that a unified party is better than a divided one. IMO Bill Richardson would be a good pick for a V.P.
I still believe Hillary will concede the election after tonight's results. It may have been pre-mature for the media to leak this before Montana and South Dakota had a chance to vote tonight and would explain the sudden denials by the Clinton camp. After all, why would your supporters go out and vote if they believe you are about to concede. IMO, the democratic nominee will be decided by week's end.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 1:53:08 PM
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I doubt Hillary would take second banana. She can do more as a senator than a VP. He will likely pick someone less controversial.
Serious question here. How much influence do you think Hillary will have after this election, especially if she decides to go all the way to the convention or maybe even the courts?
As a senator she can wield great influence.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 2:58:03 PM
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I doubt Hillary would take second banana. She can do more as a senator than a VP. He will likely pick someone less controversial.
Serious question here. How much influence do you think Hillary will have after this election, especially if she decides to go all the way to the convention or maybe even the courts?
What would she be asking the courts to do?
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 3:43:33 PM
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If they do the "Dream Team" thingy, and the Clintons are a heartbeat away from the presidency; what is the vegas line going to be on Obama making it past 6 months.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 3:49:04 PM
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I doubt Hillary would take second banana. She can do more as a senator than a VP. He will likely pick someone less controversial.
Serious question here. How much influence do you think Hillary will have after this election, especially if she decides to go all the way to the convention or maybe even the courts?
What would she be asking the courts to do?
Seat all the Florida and Michigan delegates and they gave Obama delegates for a state he didn't have his name on the ballot.
Drudge Report says Obama has gone over the number he needed.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 3:53:34 PM
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Drudge Report says Obama has gone over the number he needed.
So Drudge knows how to Google, huh? What a genius.
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RE: The Dream Team - 6/3/2008 5:10:46 PM
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On the other hand, I have been a bit surprised at the degree of loyalty that's been shown by Clinton's core voters. Unlike Obama, Clinton doesn't really trance people into having the kind of routine Messiah moments that can build passionate (blind) loyalty.
I'm ashamed to admit that my father was a Clinton supporter. He voted for Bill both times and when the primaries began he supported her because as he put it "a vote for Hillary is a vote for Bill and he liked Bill". But over time as Bill became more and more obnoxious (is that even possible?  ) my dad changed his mind. Last time I asked him who he was supporting his answer was "none of the above!"
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I continue to be a bit puzzled about why Obama would want to sign on for this when he doesn't have to
Technically that is not correct. The vp nominee is chosen in the same way the presidential nominee is, by delegate vote. Now normally the presidential candidate will select a running mate and then he/she is nominated and accepted by the delegates. Since Hillary has such a close count in both delegates and popular vote she could make an argument that she is "entitled" to at least the vp if they won't give her the nomination.
"The vice presidential candidates of the major national political parties are formally selected by each party's quadrennial nominating convention, following the selection of their presidential candidates. The official process is identical to the one by which the presidential candidates are chosen, with delegates placing the names of candidates into nomination, followed by a ballot in which candidates must receive a majority to secure the party's nomination. In practice, the presidential nominee has considerable influence on the decision, and in 20th century it became customary for that person to select a preferred running mate, who is then nominated and accepted by the convention."
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