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The Name of Jesus - 6/24/2008 2:37:39 AM
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mikejonesoftn
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Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.
Matthew 1:21 - And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.”
- Why the name change?
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/24/2008 6:48:14 AM
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BerianAardvark
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ORIGINAL: mikejonesoftn
Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.
Matthew 1:21 - And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.”
- Why the name change?
No name change, really Immanuel means God With Us, Jesus means the Salvation of God.
Both are a reference to His nature and essence so is Isaiah 9:6 "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."
In scripture very often the name is more than merely a group of letters serving as a personal identifier, but an indication of the nature and essence of the person.
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/24/2008 6:57:22 AM
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Here are a couple more......
Zec 6:12 "Then say to him, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/24/2008 11:58:24 AM
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mikejonesoftn
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Here are a couple more......
Zec 6:12 "Then say to him, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.
I understand those verses and it's context, but the to I posted said his name shall be, ...
How did Mary and Joseph to know that Jesus was the name and not Immanuel? I know the meaning of Immanuel, but did anyone call him Immanuel?
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/24/2008 12:05:31 PM
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CherishedbyGod
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One of my very favorite topics....
His name represents His character....
Here are some more...
Have fun 
http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/parallel/paral19.html
I think it would be sooo wonderful to do a study together on this forum going through the list on the above link...
Any male leaders? Someone we know that has been here awhile?
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/24/2008 1:14:40 PM
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mikejonesoftn: How did Mary and Joseph to know that Jesus was the name and not Immanuel? I know the meaning of Immanuel, but did anyone call him Immanuel?
God sent Gabriel to tell Mary:
Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you." But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was. The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God.”And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. (Luke 1:26-31)
And then followed up by sending a personal message to Joseph:
But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.”She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US." (Matthew 1:20-23)
Notice that Matthew cites Isaiah 7:14 this is also the only New Testament reference my Bible search software could find to Immanuel.
There is no reference that I could find to anyone ever directly addressing Jesus by name.
Every time He was directly addressed it was by honorific/title. He was called Rabbi or the Greek equivalent (didaskalos: teacher) usually translated Master. As a result we cannot be certain exactly what name He was addressed by.
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/25/2008 7:17:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: mikejonesoftn
I understand those verses and it's context, but the to I posted said his name shall be, ...
How did Mary and Joseph to know that Jesus was the name and not Immanuel? I know the meaning of Immanuel, but did anyone call him Immanuel?
Is 7:10 ADONAI spoke again to Achaz; he said, 11 "Ask ADONAI your God to give you a sign. Ask it anywhere, from the depths of Sh'ol to the heights above." 12 But Achaz answered, "I won't ask, I won't test ADONAI." 13 Then [the prophet] said, "Listen here, house of David! Is trying people's patience such a small thing for you that you must try the patience of my God as well? 14 Therefore Adonai himself will give you people a sign: the young woman will become pregnant, bear a son and name him 'Immanu El [God is with us].
Not to stir up trouble, but Jesus is a self defined term. There is no equivalent to it prior to the latin and greek manuscripts of the Apistolic Writings. That is why I believe He was named Yeshua, which is not only a common name throughout the history of Israel, but literally means Adonai saves.
Though Mattityahu(Mathew) quotes the verse from Yesheyahu(Isaiah), in context Yesheyahu(Isaiah) was refering to his own son. The birth of His son was to be a sign for Achaz that Adonai would save Yehuda(Judah) from Retzin the king of Aram and Pekach the son of Remalyah, king of Isra'el. Yeshua(Jesus) could not have been that particular sign to Achaz.
That said, I believe when Mattityahu(Mathew) says fullfilled, he means fully exemplified. Thus, as Yesheyahu(Isaiah) is to tell Achaz, Immanuel (El is with us) to save us from the battle, Mattityahu(Mathew) tells us Yeshua(Jesus) fully exemplifies Immanuel (El is with us) to provide total salvation.
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/25/2008 8:35:00 PM
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His name represents His character....
What you said here jumped out at me. I was just posting on the "Dude" thread in the God Section. Seems some folks there have no problem addressing Jesus as "Dude" in prayer.
When Scripture gives us so many examples of God's names, why not just use these names?
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/25/2008 9:24:15 PM
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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod
His name represents His character....
What you said here jumped out at me. I was just posting on the "Dude" thread in the God Section. Seems some folks there have no problem addressing Jesus as "Dude" in prayer.
When Scripture gives us so many examples of God's names, why not just use these names?
Heavendweller
Yes, I posted once or twice on that thread and the thought of people addressing the Lord Jesus Christ as "dude" angers me.
After I posted, I thought to myself, what if another 9/11 happened...do we really think we would address God as "dude" while it was happening?
I think most of us (not all Christians) need a great wake-up call regarding the Holiness of God. I sincerely doubt, when that happens, we will be addressing Him as "dude".........
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/25/2008 10:56:31 PM
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Man , Blue your thread really blessed me and gave me more clarity.
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/26/2008 9:53:41 AM
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I'm with Blue,
Matthew cited Isaiah to show a way in which Jesus was the antitypical Immanuel.
It could be that it was only after his passion, resurrection, and ascension that the followers of Jesus began to recognize the many prophetic types that prefigured his incarnation.
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/26/2008 5:25:45 PM
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Please, stop. You are stealing my reward.
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/27/2008 12:30:09 AM
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I'd just like to add that many prophecies (most? all?) have more than one fulfillment. The Isaiah prophecy about "Immanuel" is first fulfilled in the birth of Maher-shalal-hash-baz (Isaiah 8:1-4) (see also 8:10). Well, that child's birth certificate name was not "Immanuel", either, much in the way that Yeshua is not the same word as Immanuel.
It is possible that at some time in the future, Jesus will have a revealed name Immanuel as the exact word. This prophecy had a fulfillment with Maher-shalal-hash-baz, then with Yeshua, and ... who knows? ... perhaps we'll see something like Revelation 12 happen in the future and the child will have another name.
Speaking of names, I heard something funny once when somebody said that the story of Adam and Eve can't be true, because if it were factual their last names would have been provided. 
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/27/2008 12:35:17 AM
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Shrommer
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Name studies - what about the many times that names are changed in the Bible by God? Is there really a difference in the Bible between someone "being called" something and someone "being named" something? ... because in Spanish the "se llama" can be the equivalent for either.
Also, was Jesus actually called "God with us" by someone else in Matthew 27:54? He was in effect saying that surely this was God as man right there with them. Was Jesus "named" Immanuel by Matthew in Matthew 1:21?
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RE: The Name of Jesus - 6/27/2008 12:39:22 AM
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Shrommer
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Another little insight from Spanish, to see how hard it is to understand the Hebrew when we just know English. In Spanish the same word "name" can also mean "noun". In other words, a noun for me could be "man", or "husband", or my first name, etc.
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