To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a Christian or not?
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To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a Chri... - 7/5/2008 1:32:04 PM
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modu
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Let us rely on spiritual revelations from the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus and not traditional assertions.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 1:55:16 PM
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Let us rely on spiritual revelations from the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus and not traditional assertions.
"And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form. "You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent. "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life. (John 5:37-40)
A Christian is a believer in Jesus Christ, if your faith and believe is in anything else you are not a Christian.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 2:37:29 PM
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Let us rely on spiritual revelations from the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus and not traditional assertions.
Neither personal revelation nor doctrinal traditions are adequate. As Paul says,(Eph 2:8)
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" and(Ro 10:17)
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Therefore, niether belief in the "ten commandments" , the written Torah or even in the whole of Scripture is sufficiant for salvation. This because, it is not our beliefs(faith) that save us. For even faith is a work that Adonai gives us the ability to perform. These are all merely the means to accessing to Adonai. Acceptance is totally in Adonai's hands. I Adonai is gracious to us, he grants us the faith to believe and act on those things He has revealed to us, through the Scriptures, others He has chosen, personal revelation and the ability to reason, that He has created in us. We verify that Adonai has been gracious to us by how much He has revealed to us. As we increase the number of ways to access His revelation, we increase the likelihood that He has indeed imparted His grace to us.
< Message edited by Bluethread -- 7/6/2008 2:00:23 AM >
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 2:41:27 PM
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 2:46:27 PM
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ORIGINAL: modu
Let us rely on spiritual revelations from the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus and not traditional assertions.
"And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form. "You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent. "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life. (John 5:37-40)
A Christian is a believer in Jesus Christ, if your faith and believe is in anything else you are not a Christian.
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Couldn't have said it better.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 2:58:52 PM
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Let us rely on spiritual revelations from the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus and not traditional assertions.
The Law is meant to lead you to Christ, in the hope that you will accept Him and so be saved. The ten commandments save no one. Only Christ saves because only Christ has life, and life is the only solution to being dead.
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the Law [the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him] as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trusts in and adheres to and relies on Him.
Galatians 3:24
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 3:33:08 PM
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The Ten Commandment could only condemn, Jesus fulfilled them in perfect obedience to the Father allowing us(as new covenant saints)to come into the 'liberty of obedience' via the indwelt Holy Spirit.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 3:35:39 PM
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quote:
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Let us rely on spiritual revelations from the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus and not traditional assertions.
Greetings,
What do you mean??
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 3:45:57 PM
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No.
Jesus said "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life, no one comes to the FATHER except by Me."
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 4:00:19 PM
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(Joh 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Believing only on the Ten Commandments or believeing that God is real just won;t get it;
(Jas 2:19) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Only through taith in and obedience to Jesus Christ is salvation available.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 6:55:58 PM
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Christ tells us “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” (Mat 22:37-40)
Paul tells us: “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself”. (Ro 13:8-9)
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/5/2008 11:31:16 PM
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Let us rely on spiritual revelations from the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus and not traditional assertions.
Curious, this is a common theme with all of your OP's. Are you asking for revelation to the exclusion of the written word?. If so, then by what do you judge the veracity of the revelation?.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/8/2008 12:53:38 PM
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Traditional religious Jews believe and strictly adhere to the 10 commandments and the other 603 commands of the Torah. Many are violently opposed to the gospel.
Firebombing Messianic synagogues
Slashing tires of believers
Burning New Testaments
Giving bombs as Purim gifts
I think that answers the question.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/8/2008 1:41:05 PM
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And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. (2Co 3:13-15)
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/8/2008 5:46:20 PM
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modu
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A Christian is anyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ, that is the Messiah. To believe only on the Ten commandment is Judiasm. Christianity is based on the sinless birth, sacrificial death, resurrection of Christ Jesus bodily from the dead and ascension to the Throne of Grace as everlasting Lord, and King who reigns and is alive forever. Whoever believes in the above is a Christian. Christ did not destroy the Ten Commandments, but has now given the Law life through His glorous reign. He connected the Law that was spiritual with Himself that came from the Spiritual throne of God and made both one in Him as the perfect law of God's righteousness.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/9/2008 12:22:18 AM
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To believe only on the Ten commandment is Judiasm.
Actually, it's... Heh, I have no idea what it is. As best I can remember, I've never met anyone who believes only in the 10 Commandments.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/9/2008 12:23:35 AM
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Salvation by faith is NOT a new concept. Remember the conversation that Jesus has with Nicodemus in John 3?
John 3
3:1
There was a man of the Pharisees, named * * Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
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The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot * see the kingdom of God.
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Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can * he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born ?
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Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot * enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be ?
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Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Obviously Jesus is expecting Nicodemus, a torah teacher, a "master of Israel" to know what He is talking about. This was not an original teaching but can be found in Dueteronomy 10:16 -- "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiffnecked no longer." The term "stiffnecked" is equivalent to not having faith. God called the generation in the wilderness stiffnecked because they failed to trust (have faith) in Him. (See Exodus 32:9; 33:3,5; 34:9, Deut. 9:6,13; 2 Chron. 30:8; Acts 7:51) The very first thing God told Israel when giving the commandments was to have faith in Him and in Him alone. "I am the Lord your God, you shall not have any other gods besides me!" Forgiveness and mercy were around long before the death burial and resurrection.
Isaiah 1:18 -- Come now and let us reason together says the Lord, Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.
Mercy was available also, just look at David. David repeatedly says how he keeps the commandments of God but if I remeber correctly, David messed up BIG time. But look at what he says in Psalm 119:159 -- "Consider how I love your precepts; revive me and give life to me, O Lord, according to your loving kindness." The term "loving kindness" is hesed in Hebrew, and is the equivalent of the word grace in the "New Testament." The scriptures say there is nothing new under the sun, if this is true then salvation had to have been there also.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/13/2008 4:46:26 PM
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If you love me (Jesus), then you will keep my commandments, which is all that I have told, those same things that the Spirit will remind you of. If anyone say that they love Jesus, but do not keep His commandments, then they are a liar and the truth is not in them.
Joh 15:10 -
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
1Jo 5:2 -
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jo 5:3 -
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
1Jo 2:4 -
He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/13/2008 7:57:44 PM
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If you love as commanded by Christ then you fulfill the law.
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (Rom 13:8-10)
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RE: To believe only on the Ten Commandments, are you a ... - 7/14/2008 12:38:26 AM
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If you love as commanded by Christ then you fulfill the law.
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (Rom 13:8-10)
Bob
This refers to love towards man. How do we show love towards God.
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