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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/4/2008 5:59:20 PM
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"He breathed on them"
We are only told twice in all of scripture that God breathed on man, the other being in Genesis 2:7, when he made man a living soul. This shows the importance of the establishment of the sacrament.
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God did not breathe "on" Adam; He breathed "into his nostrils" and made him a living soul. What Christ did here with the Apostles could be said to be the "earnest" or downpayment which would come upon them at Pentecost.
Christ came to bring His Gospel, to preach the kingdom of God and He sends the Apostles to do the same: "As the Father has sent me, even so I send you."
So, we see no institution of a "sacrament", though, we do see the beginning of the Great Commission and the qualifying of the Apostles to bring it.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/4/2008 6:10:03 PM
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Happy Easter Papa-san!
Papa-san if you were to personally meet Pope Benedict what would you talk about with him if he gave you that opportunity?
Peter
And a Happy Easter to you as well!
I like the list you have. I probably wouldn't go there, as I have a harder time than some in refraining from calling a road-apple a road-apple... I wouldn't get into discussions of doctrine, because I might not be able to make it through that very gracefully. I would limit my discussion of spiritual things to just how awesome God is, and the wonder of Christ's sacrifice for us. I'd just try to get to know the man behind all the pomp and bunny-fluff. I love fellowshipping with people, and He would be no different.
Any time I am tempted to think about a person being in a 'higher' place, I just remember that they use the water-closet the same way everybody does. As a kid I met several Senators and a Governor, and realized they are exactly the same as us. They just have a job that I'm glad I don't have!
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/4/2008 6:27:27 PM
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Yes God breathed life into Adam, and he breathed the Holy Spirit onto the disciples. I am rather shocked that you would like to argue a difference between into and onto. God breathed and man felt it only twice, I think that is what is significant.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/4/2008 7:42:12 PM
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Happy Easter Papa-san!
Papa-san if you were to personally meet Pope Benedict what would you talk about with him if he gave you that opportunity?
Peter
And a Happy Easter to you as well!
I like the list you have. I probably wouldn't go there, as I have a harder time than some in refraining from calling a road-apple a road-apple... I wouldn't get into discussions of doctrine, because I might not be able to make it through that very gracefully. I would limit my discussion of spiritual things to just how awesome God is, and the wonder of Christ's sacrifice for us. I'd just try to get to know the man behind all the pomp and bunny-fluff. I love fellowshipping with people, and He would be no different.
Any time I am tempted to think about a person being in a 'higher' place, I just remember that they use the water-closet the same way everybody does. As a kid I met several Senators and a Governor, and realized they are exactly the same as us. They just have a job that I'm glad I don't have!
Hello brother Papa-san!
To me, Pope Benedict is just a man (with an important purpose). I would also say my brother.
I brought this passage to read because of what I see in it related to what kind of brother we are
called to be to one another. This is why I would like to have a face to face conversation so I may
see and hear with my own ears and say hello my brother in Christ. As it should be.
Matthew 12:45-50
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/5/2008 4:06:32 AM
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Yes God breathed life into Adam, and he breathed the Holy Spirit onto the disciples. I am rather shocked that you would like to argue a difference between into and onto. God breathed and man felt it only twice, I think that is what is significant.
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No reason to be "shocked". Christ told the Apostles "receive ye the Holy Ghost" - do you think the Apostles were not saved at this time? I ask because all who are saved are indwelled by the Holy Spirit.
When the Comforter came at Pentecost He fully commissioned the Apostles to begin their ministry of bringing the Gospel - "and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost,".
Thomas was absent when Christ said "receive ye the Holy Ghost"; but was present when the Comforter came at Pentecost. Was Thomas somehow lacking?
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/5/2008 2:38:15 PM
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we don't need a pope. its just another false god worshipped out of tradition. i have jesus who talks to the father for me, and the holy spirit. i don't need a pope who also falls short of the glory of God to speak for me.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/6/2008 10:10:16 AM
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we don't need a pope. its just another false god worshipped out of tradition. i have jesus who talks to the father for me, and the holy spirit. i don't need a pope who also falls short of the glory of God to speak for me.
Amen to that, BUT...
The RCC see themselves as owners and distributors of
The Holy Spirit administered by their unique sacraments.
IOW, you and I must be RC to obtain The Holy Ghost !!!
How then did we possibly acquire it friend ?
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/6/2008 11:27:49 AM
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To me, Pope Benedict is just a man (with an important purpose). I would also say my brother.
I brought this passage to read because of what I see in it related to what kind of brother we are
called to be to one another. This is why I would like to have a face to face conversation so I may
see and hear with my own ears and say hello my brother in Christ. As it should be.
Matthew 12:45-50
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
PeterD
I would also be very interested to see where that conversation would go after bringing that passage into it. Hopefully in a time and place where he felt he could answer the question honestly. Do you suppose that answer might differ depending on who else was around?
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/8/2008 12:03:28 AM
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To me, Pope Benedict is just a man (with an important purpose). I would also say my brother.
I brought this passage to read because of what I see in it related to what kind of brother we are
called to be to one another. This is why I would like to have a face to face conversation so I may
see and hear with my own ears and say hello my brother in Christ. As it should be.
Matthew 12:45-50
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
PeterD
I would also be very interested to see where that conversation would go after bringing that passage into it. Hopefully in a time and place where he felt he could answer the question honestly. Do you suppose that answer might differ depending on who else was around?
Hello friend!
Most likely I would have a list of thing's to ask him and even pray with him in Jesus Name!!!
or instead this might happen...
2 Peter 1:21
21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I'm sure Pope Benedict would enjoy the visit but your right Papa-san the influence around him is great!
Since, he is following in the footsteps of Peter by choice meaning the character/ promise/ sifting/ fisher of men.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/8/2008 10:22:28 AM
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Since, he is following in the footsteps of Peter by choice meaning the character/ promise/ sifting/ fisher of men.
Wow! I thought we were to be walking in the footsteps of Jesus Christ. I stand mistaken, forgive me please. 
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/8/2008 10:28:15 AM
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Jesus appointed Peter to tend His flock. In following the footsteps of Peter, Benedict follows Christ. He has dedicated his life to tending the flock of Jesus and doing his best to strengthen them.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/8/2008 2:13:57 PM
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By telling half of the sheep that their idea of a flock is wrong?
By letting wolves in shepherd's clothing prey on innocent little lambs and then refusing to let them be prosecuted and hiding their actions by shuffling them to another little flock with more innocent little lambs to prey on before they get caught?
I don't quite follow. (edit: oof. Pun not intended.)
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/9/2008 6:41:27 AM
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By telling half of the sheep that their idea of a flock is wrong? Well, its more like telling one quarter of the sheep that they are less than full, or incomplete, in their mis-guided understanding of "flock"...
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By letting wolves in shepherd's clothing prey on innocent little lambs and then refusing to let them be prosecuted and hiding their actions by shuffling them to another little flock with more innocent little lambs to prey on before they get caught? Yes - Protestant Churches and ministries are completely immune to this sort of thing, aren't they...?
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/9/2008 10:35:23 AM
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Yes - Protestant Churches and ministries are completely immune to this sort of thing, aren't they...?
No the protestant haven't had a clean slate on that subject.
I'm just curious who puts on a more religious or holier than thou attitude than the RCC? My wfe works in a catholic hospital and they have done her wrong. And because of their great pride say they haven't done nothing wrong to her.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/9/2008 10:50:25 AM
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The Catholic Church is quite full of the original sin. They have been 'it' since the beginning. All of the others are 'broken' or 'less than'.
And in response to the "Protestants are immune" thing, I have to say that the number of occurrences is MUCH higher in the Catholic Church, and the consequences are usually minimal for the perpetrator. We Protestants prosecute, the Catholics protect and hide them... Send them somewhere to be in the same position, and they don't get registered in the national sex offender database, so they have no reason not to repeat it...
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/9/2008 10:55:39 AM
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The Catholic Church is quite full of the original sin. They have been 'it' since the beginning. All of the others are 'broken' or 'less than'.
And in response to the "Protestants are immune" thing, I have to say that the number of occurrences is MUCH higher in the Catholic Church, and the consequences are usually minimal for the perpetrator. We Protestants prosecute, the Catholics protect and hide them... Send them somewhere to be in the same position, and they don't get registered in the national sex offender database, so they have no reason not to repeat it...
Actually statistics prove the opposite. You're much more likely to get abused in a Protestant church than a Catholic Church. It's just that Protestant church cases aren't usually as publicized as Catholic cases. That said, it's still terrible when it happens in any church, Protestant or Catholic.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/9/2008 11:16:52 AM
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Well, its more like telling one quarter of the sheep that they are less than full, or incomplete, in their mis-guided understanding of "flock"...
53% of people in the world claim they are Catholic. That's about half. Considering that that counts all the people who claim they are Catholic simply because they were baptized and never darkened the church door again (I know quite a few of these), "about half" is more than fair.
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By letting wolves in shepherd's clothing prey on innocent little lambs and then refusing to let them be prosecuted and hiding their actions by shuffling them to another little flock with more innocent little lambs to prey on before they get caught? Yes - Protestant Churches and ministries are completely immune to this sort of thing, aren't they...?
Of course they aren't. However, Protestants generally believe such people should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, not shuffled around to abuse more kids without consequence... nor do most of our denominations have the infrastructure to be able to shuffle them around even if we wanted to. And, we certainly can't claim our denominational leader to be immune from lawsuits regarding abuse coverups they were directly involved in by virtue of being "head of state".
Otherwise, the article I saw (http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/06/sex-abuse-of-minors-higher-in.html) which is what you're referring to I would assume, is being entirely unfair. It's comparing the 260 reports, total, credible or not, against clergy, church staff, volunteers, AND even CONGREGATION MEMBERS, against the average of 228 CREDIBLE reports per year against Catholic CLERGY ALONE. Come on.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/9/2008 11:17:34 AM
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Actually statistics prove the opposite. You're much more likely to get abused in a Protestant church than a Catholic Church. It's just that Protestant church cases aren't usually as publicized as Catholic cases. That said, it's still terrible when it happens in any church, Protestant or Catholic.
Prove it! Not write something that makes it look good for you.
Let see I know of 15 that of the non RCC got caught with their pants down. What was that number that after many years of hiding it came out in the public here in just United States. Of priests taking alter boys and performing sexual acts on, twenty something if I'm correct.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/9/2008 10:19:21 PM
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Did our Lord Jesus also pray for the Popes?
John 17:1-26
The High Priestly Prayer
1When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, "Father the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
6 "I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. 9I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. 11And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.[a] 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.
20"I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. 24Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26 I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them."
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/10/2008 4:41:31 AM
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Yes - Protestant Churches and ministries are completely immune to this sort of thing, aren't they...? A case of: "there see....you guys do it too"...ugh..
Besides, RC has no legitimate right to compare the two since Protestant churches aren't real churches, according to the papal utterance. But, I guess for this purpose RC will just close its eyes and pretend. The perennial closing of its eyes is as egregious, as scandalous, perhaps even moreso, than the abuse itself.
In any event, as a result of the much needed publicity, churches are paying more attention to the background and psychological makeup of its applicants.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/10/2008 4:43:08 AM
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Jesus appointed Peter to tend His flock. Actually, Christ appointed ALL elders to feed the flock. You can find this fact in the Bible.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. -Acts 20:28
...and to the elders of whom Peter claimed to be one among many.
Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; -1Peter 5:2
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/10/2008 3:26:58 PM
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... Yes - Protestant Churches and ministries are completely immune to this sort of thing, aren't they...?
They don't have a leader that oversees the world's largest child exploitation ring.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/10/2008 9:52:17 PM
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Actually statistics prove the opposite. You're much more likely to get abused in a Protestant church than a Catholic Church. It's just that Protestant church cases aren't usually as publicized as Catholic cases. That said, it's still terrible when it happens in any church, Protestant or Catholic.
It's the most horrifying thing that I can think of... There is a huge problem with this statistic, though. I believe we are talking about clergy of some sort. In regards to what happens among the congregation, I'm willing to bet (no small step, there!) that the rates are the same between the two...
When this issue is discovered within the 'clergy' of the Catholic Church, every possible means to make it go away silently is employed by all involved. You cannot realistically say this isn't true, because I was active in the lives of several dozen men in a 'retreat home'/monastery. (One such place of dozens, just in the US!) These men were primarily there because they had been involved with sexual issues while in an official role. Most were there because of inappropriate behavior with kids... Out of all those cases, only one had been brought to light! An out-of-court settlement took care of this one.
All of these priests were sent to new parishes once their time of 'penance' was completed. (1 - 4 years) The leadership of that church was so blinded that they actually think this solution will really take care of a pedophile... Not bloody likely! They just shipped them off to a new place with no-one being warned about this sexual predator coming into their area! Even the secular population knows the danger in this and requires ALL person's caught doing this stuff to be announced publicly! How else are people going to protect their children? Yet these men are welcomed into the community, and are assumed to be trustworthy before they even arrive! That's like playing with fire when your hands are covered with gasoline!
So don't tell me these 'statistics' are anywhere CLOSE to reality! Someone in authority in a Protestant church found diddling with children is handled just short of a public lynching! A responsible pope would have these guys publicly flogged! (Then prosecuted, just like the Protestant ministers caught doing it!)
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/11/2008 12:30:13 AM
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Actually statistics prove the opposite. You're much more likely to get abused in a Protestant church than a Catholic Church. It's just that Protestant church cases aren't usually as publicized as Catholic cases. That said, it's still terrible when it happens in any church, Protestant or Catholic.
It's the most horrifying thing that I can think of... There is a huge problem with this statistic, though. I believe we are talking about clergy of some sort. In regards to what happens among the congregation, I'm willing to bet (no small step, there!) that the rates are the same between the two...
When this issue is discovered within the 'clergy' of the Catholic Church, every possible means to make it go away silently is employed by all involved. You cannot realistically say this isn't true, because I was active in the lives of several dozen men in a 'retreat home'/monastery. (One such place of dozens, just in the US!) These men were primarily there because they had been involved with sexual issues while in an official role. Most were there because of inappropriate behavior with kids... Out of all those cases, only one had been brought to light! An out-of-court settlement took care of this one.
All of these priests were sent to new parishes once their time of 'penance' was completed. (1 - 4 years) The leadership of that church was so blinded that they actually think this solution will really take care of a pedophile... Not bloody likely! They just shipped them off to a new place with no-one being warned about this sexual predator coming into their area! Even the secular population knows the danger in this and requires ALL person's caught doing this stuff to be announced publicly! How else are people going to protect their children? Yet these men are welcomed into the community, and are assumed to be trustworthy before they even arrive! That's like playing with fire when your hands are covered with gasoline!
So don't tell me these 'statistics' are anywhere CLOSE to reality! Someone in authority in a Protestant church found diddling with children is handled just short of a public lynching! A responsible pope would have these guys publicly flogged! (Then prosecuted, just like the Protestant ministers caught doing it!)
Hello Papa-san,
You wrote: A responsible pope would have these guys publicly flogged! (Then prosecuted, just like the Protestant ministers caught doing it!)
Why do we need a Pope? To respond to the people's needs such as Papa-san and all other parent's with children have been pointing out!!!
Please, bare with the Word of God for it is even spoken in the Roman Catholic Church by the Pope. I Hope the pope is aware of these wolves in sheep's clothing because Jessica and I will have children of our own one day and I want them to be part of the Church but not part of the evil with in its walls. Thanks to parent's like Papa-san Truth is setting captives free.
Ephesians 5:1-21
Walk in Love
1 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. 2And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
3But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. 4Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. 5For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not become partners with them; 8for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9(for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), 10and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 12For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. 13But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, 14for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says,
"Awake, O sleeper,
and arise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you."
15 Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. 17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, 19addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Proverbs 24:17-18
17Do not rejoice when your enemy falls,
and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles,
18lest the LORD see it and be displeased,
and turn away his anger from him.
James 5:19-20
The Prayer of Faith
19My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, 20let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
1 Peter 4:7-11
Stewards of God’s Grace
7 The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers. 8Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins. 9 Show hospitality to one another without grumbling. 10 As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace: 11whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Let us Love even the Pope in Jesus Name and Pray for Him to Give the Good News of Jesus Christ, Right!
PeterD
< Message edited by PeterD -- 4/11/2008 12:36:48 AM >
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/11/2008 2:20:41 PM
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JesKlu
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Hello friends!
I agree that we should pray for the pope too. Maybe there is more need of a pope than we think. I disagree with the false doctrines they preach though. And that is what we need to pray about, that the pope starts to preach in Jesus' name only.
About sexual predators, remember Jesus does forgive sins, and he can forgive sexual predators too. I agree that as people we should be more watchful of these kinds of men and women, but not have a hatred towards them either. The Catholic priests are no different. I think instead of attacking the pope, we should pray for him instead to better lead the people entrusted to him.
I do have an experience to share even though it doesn't relate to predators, it relates to modesty. When Peter and I were at a meeting at a Catholic Church I used to go to, there were three priests and a bunch of parents. And one of the moms who attended the meeting begged the senior pastor at my old parish to please start being more strict when it comes to dress code for the girls who attend. She said this because "she wants her 2 sons to be at church to worship God, not looking at girls' buttcracks when they kneel on the kneelers praying in front of them."
Surprisingly, the senior pastor said "I can't do anything about it. I wil not change it because of the quota." He was worried about that there could be a drop in church attendance and of course, less money. I do remember attending a few services and this pastor would preach long sermons on money and the need for it in the church, to support this local parish.
And if I remember correctly, this was quite a rich parish because a good number of the parishoners were Polish, and the Polish are very devout Catholics, and when it comes to their dress code, at least at this parish, there was too much skin showing.
I myself would confront the priest on this matter and ask for a more strict dress code. I once even pointed out a nun one time who did a sermon on something and she did not even dress like a normal nun. She was in pants and her hair was all done nicely. Very worldly in comparison to other nuns whe it comes to dress code.
So in conclusion, I was not the only one but there were other mothers who were equally as concerned about too much skin showing on the girls and not enough discipline for the men so I myself, with the other mothers, confronted the priests and they did nothing.
So this is why I believe the pope has to be strngthened in these descisions and not the priests alone. For the pope can tell the priests what to do, not me or any other mother.
I do believe the pope preaches from the Word of God, meaning the Bible, so then he should practice what he is preaching to the congregation from the Word of God.
But I also believe these other doctrines that he is encouraging put blindfolds on people so they can't know right from wrong.
If the Pope continues to boldly preach the Word of God only, without any other hinderances, maybe just then will this matter of sexual immorality be dealt with much better. To the Glory of God the Father, in Jesus' name! Amen Amen.
In the church I now attend, which is an LCMS parish, last October at a service they actually read from 1 Timothy 2 pertaining to the dress code for women. The women at the saturday service and the senior pastor at the Sunday service read this passage to the congrgation and for a while the congregation dressed one way, that wasn't so great, but now there is a HUGE difference. So for myself, I am more relaxed in this group than with the parish I grew up in. So there are some pastors who understand the Word of God and apply it.
When I first began attending this church, I was the only one really, consistantly dressing modestly, and I wear a prayer shawl as is commanded in 1 Corinthians 11, and I was really the only one in the congregation dressing like this. But I did get a lot of special attention from the pastors and the leaders of this community. And they were asking me why I dress this way and why i wear the prayer shawl, so I started quoting scripture to them. Since the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod already has a very high view of God's Word, they understood what I was saying. And then shortly after, in that October, that's when they started preaching about Modesty, in both bible classes and to the congregation during worship service. This all happened within the last year. To me, this was quite a miracle. And I thank God for giving me a family who cares even about my needs in love.
I hope my Catholic brethren, and the Pope himself, can see this change themselves through applying the Word of God in faith in this same way that I have partaken in, in this particular congregation. And these people do not curse the need for the Pope, if anything, they probably pray for him to continue to preach more boldly, within the boundaries of sound doctrine.
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica
< Message edited by JesKlu -- 4/11/2008 3:02:37 PM >
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And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
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