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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/16/2008 7:15:52 PM
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/16/2008 9:04:43 PM
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 1:58:47 AM
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You just don't get it and probably never will. GOD tells us Scripture is valid, He is the authority - not a pope, not a priest, not a pastor. And He tells us we are able to understand and discern His Word. So, who are we to believe...God or RC?
I don't think anyone said that scripture was invalid only that it isn't the sol source of our authority. Scripture in itself says that it isn't - so in believing that it is the sol authority you disrespect that authority.  Provide chapter and verse where it says Scripture is not the sole source of authority. Scripture is the apostolic tradition handed down to us - not the papal tradition. And when you add to Scripture and declare yourself the authority over it you do indeed invalidate Scripture.
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Now if we are able to understand and discern his word why then should non-catholics who don't adhere to the doctrine of real presences attend services? That is a non-sequitur.
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There is no need for sermons, we are better able to discern scripture individually then pastors/elders. Another non-sequitur in addition to biblically illogical. Christ gave the church elders and teachers - to teach; but we are to discern the truth of their teaching. IOW, does what is being taught align with the Word of God? This is precisely the instruction given by God concerning the Bereans as they searched Scripture to see if the teaching of even an Apostle aligned with Scripture. God will not accept the excuse "I was just following orders[of my authority]" since, in fact, you are not folllowing His orders.
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RC has no biblical support for their mass or for their doctrines of forgiveness of sins. By your own opinion that we all have the ability to discern and understand scripture - you can not judge anything as being unscriptural. Your posts are, in fact, filled with non-sequiturs. First, it is not "my" opinion we are capable of discerning Scripture it is God's opinion. He happens to state exactly that in Scripture. His children are commanded to “judge” all things. But as always, you are free to ignore what He says.
Discernment is not even necessary in these instances, a simple reading of Scripture proves there is no support for RC's mass or confession. These were so-called "developments" over time having nothing to do with God's instructions in Scripture.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 2:17:00 AM
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By the way - if Scripture is the only authority, what is the validity of the Christianity practiced by followers of Christ between His resurrection and about 100 AD when Relvelations was beginning to circulate? Certianly there was an authority for Christianity, and it wasn't NT Scriptures as we know them, because these were not even completed until late in the first century (for the most part - the four Gospels, Acts and some of the Epistles). Within the epistles themselves proof is provided they were circulating within the lifetime of the Apostles. And before that, the authority was the OT and the teaching of the Apostles which Peter said was to be written down so that we would always have the truth of God after the Apostles died. Never ever does he or anyone else intimate that their "office" would be perpetual. What was to be perpetual was written Scripture.
Again, the proof of this is in Scripture where we never see the "apostolic office" being included in the description of church leadership, nor were apostles replaced after they died and the absolute biblical impossibility of anyone ever again meeting the requirements.
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"...I don't understand how anyone who seeks the fullness of relationship possible with God through Christ Jesus, is not seeking the very same fullness offered within the ancient Christian Communions and available to all..." It's really simple enough to understand, they no longer offer a full relationship with Jesus Christ - that's why. With each succeeding century they’ve put in place doctrines consisting of their personal emotions and desires for self-perpetuation thereby erecting barriers between Christ and the people.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 2:42:57 AM
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We don't just pick up the Bible one day and say, I've got the Holy Spirit so I can understand the Scriptures and don't need instuction from anyone. Protestants don’t recommended any such thing so why say they do? Christ gave us teachers and we are to avail ourselves of their knowledge; but, we are also to discern what they are teaching by comparing it to the Word of God. RC, otoh, says only their elite hierarchy is capable of "understanding" Scripture when, in fact, such a doctrine is a direct violation of Scripture. So, who are we to believe God or RC?
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Kelman, if we are able to understand Sacred Scripture merely by virtue of being indwelt with the Holy Spirit, then why, why, why, are there so many different interpretations of that very same Scripture? I never said we are able to understand the entirety of Scripture by virtue of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. There are many things in Scripture which no one has a full understanding of. But, all are capable of understanding what is needed for salvation and leading a godly life. God tells us this Himself; so, I ask again who are we to believe RC or God?
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I have read many threads on Crosswalk dealing with a plethora of doctrines and teachings. The posters, all who claim Scripture as their guide, disagree with each other regularly, sometimes ferociously. Yet, all subscribe to Sola Scriptura. No, in fact, there are many who do not subscribe to Sola Scripture. Of those who actually do adhere to this doctrine there are few differences.
Besides, within RC there are also a variety of doctrines where there is question and dissent. And many, if not most, of the lay people neither believe or follow RC's teachings. Almost without exception all the RCs I know are in church only for weddings, christenings and funerals.
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Kelman, I was once vehemently opposed to the RCC. However, after undergoing much study and receiving counsel from a priest, I would have to say that there is quite a bit of orthodox teaching in the Roman Catholic faith I never said they didn’t teach some truths, of course, they do. But, the very real and present danger is what else they now teach - "It is not so much a matter of the denial of the truth, but rather such an addition to the truth that eventually it becomes a departure from it."
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Should the Christian faith be continually re-interpreted with each successive generation? Depends on what you mean by "continually" re-interpreted. The Reformers were interested in the truth of God's Word and realized that it was being adulterated in the church of that day. So, yes this "re-interpretation" was needed and God ordained.
Besides, why shouldn’t God-fearing and humble theologians and teachers continue to study the truths which come from Scripture? Do those who disagree think they have received "all" that God has for us in Scripture? Are the theologians of the past infallible?....of course not. Regardless, God never lets us personally off the hook - we are to compare what we are taught to Scripture - all of Scripture.
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BTW Kelman, according to your comment, Lutherans teach heresy, since they believe as Martin Luther did, in regenerational baptism. No, we are speaking of two different things. Water cannot regenerate only the Holy Spirit can. Salvation cannot be lost and all those water baptized are most certainly not saved as Scripture is quick to tell us in the account of Simon Magus.
As for Luther, his belief on the matter is actually debated. Luther spoke and wrote in a vigorous manner and he did not qualify every statement he made or, in fact, present a completed argument on all sides of the issue.
Frequently when he spoke of baptism he had in view those who did not recognize the value of water baptism. The fact that no qualifications to all that is said concerning water baptism in a given text is not proof that Luther does not admit any such qualifications. It merely proves that at the time in question they are not the focus. There's been much written which absolutely questions and rebuts Luther believed regeneration in water baptism.
In any event, whatever Luther believed on this issue or any other is not important - he is not infallible. We have the Word of God which teaches water baptism does not save.
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So we have many from the Reformed tradition saying that the AOG teach heresy with regard to the gifts of the Spirit and free will. Apples and oranges. AOG is not a Sola Scriptura denomination because they "do" believe in additional revelation from dreams, visions and tongues.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 3:13:57 AM
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And the infightings among AOG with respect to WoF teachings. Some AOG subscribe to WoF teachings and watch TBN regularly. These are not valid comparisons - they do not hold to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura since they allow for additonal revelation that does NOT come from Scripture. You do a disservice to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura to include churches that do not adhere to it and use that as an evidence of “differences”.
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After all, who decided on the Canon of Scripture, but bishops who believed their authority to make such a decision was directly given them by our Lord Jesus Christ? No, actually it was God who "decided" what Scripture is - man does not decide. What eventually became canon became such because God's people recognized it as such as these books circulated in the various churches. Who was the authority that decided the “canon” of the OT which Jesus Christ and the Apostles used?
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Protestant Evangelicals however, have a very low view of the Church. It is a mystical body for sure, but not one which possesses the apostolic tradition. They do not in other words, think they have accountability to the Church but rather, only to God. Sorry, but it is absurd to say we have a “low view” of the church. The only apostolic tradition that exists is Scripture. And, of course, if one is a member of a church they are accountable to the spiritual leaders of that church. Maybe we have a different understanding of "accountability". Perhaps yours is the RC understanding, whereby upon penalty of sin you must obey their doctrines. Whereas, we understand God gives the church no authority to make additional laws which bind men's conscience - a la the Pharisees.
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Which again, I believe are based upon Holy Scripture, just like all the others who make the same claim. Hmmmm....something wrong with this picture? What appears to be wrong is you believe you are neither capable and/or desire to discern God's Word even though this is His command.
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These bishops could excommunicate those within the Church who were spreading heresy. I beg the question here, could any Christian attend those councils and claim to have the same authority from Jesus Christ to define Christian doctrine and condemn heresy? Read 1Cor if you want to know who has the authority to excommunicate. God gave authority to elders and deacons not to papal surrogates. Try reading a balanced view concerning some of these councils – you’d be amazed.
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Could any Bible believing, Spirit-filled Christian claim they have just as much a right to this authority and therefore can make the same declarations merely because Holy Scripture is perspicuous to all believers?
What are you talking about? Read Acts to see that ALL members of the church made the decision – not just the Apostles.
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These Christians think nothing of tearing down and bringing into question matters of doctrine and teaching that were already settled by the Church in her councils within the first thousand years of Christianity. These "Christians" you seem to so disparage were great theologians and godly men. Thank God they tore down some "doctrines" of past centuries. What are you afraid of? God did not tell us to be blind followers - especially blind followers of those who have proven themselves to be blind.
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No Kelman, Doghouse is not straining at gnats You are welcome to "strain" right along with him - neither capable of discerning what a Christian or church is. Although, apparently interest is limited, still, the answer to the question can be found in Scripture.
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Kelman, history shows that Christians were submissive to an authority which was Bishops in each established Patriarchate. And Scripture shows that Christians are to be submissive to the elders and deacons of their church. So, what’s your point? I'll continue to believe what God has clearly written in Scripture not the tradition which man has clearly handed down to himself.
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There was not a mentality among Christians in the early Church of "me and Jesus." Nor was there a mentality of Sola Scriptura. Then you are unfamiliar with Scripture which teaches Christ alone saves. It’s unfortunate you seem to think a church can somehow save you. Anyone who doesn't subscribe to "me and Jesus" is in big trouble since He and He alone is Redeemer and Mediator.
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I think each of us are responsible to God to be faithful to the light and revelation He has given us. Your entire post proves you believe exactly the opposite, you can't have it both ways; though, you certainly do try.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 7:29:28 AM
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Doghouse, I think the point you are trying to make is.... The Pope is the voice of the Church for Roman Catholics. It is through this person that Roman Catholics hear the authority of the Church.
There is this figure in everyone's practice of faith (by definition - there has to be one). A live, non-divine, bodily presence that is the voice of authority for the practice of Christianity - whatever flavor the believer subscribes to.
My point - I have named mine (Benedict XVI) and I have cited the reasons. I am waiting for everybody else to name their's and to decribe why this voice is authoriitative for them. That way - I can challenge that notion of authority. Kelman has offered "Personal Judgment", which to me is a pre-cursor to the decision of selecting and assenting to a Chruch authority.
Most here apparently will answer this question "self". Me, myself and I are the only authorities to which I will subscribe and assent. And if in my lack of training and preparation, I discern a less than perfect faith, then so be it. Its God's will for me...
To which I say - there should be a message buried in that somewhere. Maybe posting in a forum is synonymous with having an issue with authority, and submitting to a wiser and more thoroughly prepared teacher.
Is "Church" and "Worship" Scripturally instituted? It almost looks like many here believe worship and reverence are optional.
Good post back there - by the way. A voice of reason in a room full of chatter....
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 8:16:07 AM
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No, actually it was God who "decided" what Scripture is - man does not decide. What eventually became canon became such because God's people recognized it as such as these books circulated in the various churches. Who was the authority that decided the “canon” of the OT which Jesus Christ and the Apostles used?
And this from someone who actually states that scripture came before the Church! How can someone ever have a rational arguement when some adhers to this kind of perspective?
And you essentially do it again here. There is a historical record that documents how leaders of the early Church reviewed numerous documents and decided what was going to be scripture. Saying "recognized" is a distinction without meaning. As for the OT you accept the authority of the Jewish authorities that rejected several books that the aposltes accepted.
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but it is absurd to say we have a “low view” of the church. The only apostolic tradition that exists is Scripture. And, of course, if one is a member of a church they are accountable to the spiritual leaders of that church. Maybe we have a different understanding of "accountability". Perhaps yours is the RC understanding, whereby upon penalty of sin you must obey their doctrines. Whereas, we understand God gives the church no authority to make additional laws which bind men's conscience - a la the Pharisees.
A "low" view perfectly describes your view. So if there was no other apostolic tradition besides scripture, how did it work for 300 yrs before they were correctly identified as such? Who are you accountable to? And what does that mean? I would say that protestant accountability rests with the individual because people aptly point out, the individual can come to a different conclusion about scripture and reject the teachers instruction. Just like good Thessalonians.
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And Scripture shows that Christians are to be submissive to the elders and deacons of their church.
But they can reject their teaching right? So they are not really submissive. Maybe optionally submissive if one wants to and it agrees with my interpritation.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 10:19:17 AM
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No, actually it was God who "decided" what Scripture is - man does not decide. What eventually became canon became such because God's people recognized it as such as these books circulated in the various churches. Who was the authority that decided the “canon” of the OT which Jesus Christ and the Apostles used?
And this from someone who actually states that scripture came before the Church! How can someone ever have a rational arguement when some adhers to this kind of perspective?
And you essentially do it again here. There is a historical record that documents how leaders of the early Church reviewed numerous documents and decided what was going to be scripture. Saying "recognized" is a distinction without meaning. As for the OT you accept the authority of the Jewish authorities that rejected several books that the aposltes accepted.
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but it is absurd to say we have a “low view” of the church. The only apostolic tradition that exists is Scripture. And, of course, if one is a member of a church they are accountable to the spiritual leaders of that church. Maybe we have a different understanding of "accountability". Perhaps yours is the RC understanding, whereby upon penalty of sin you must obey their doctrines. Whereas, we understand God gives the church no authority to make additional laws which bind men's conscience - a la the Pharisees.
A "low" view perfectly describes your view. So if there was no other apostolic tradition besides scripture, how did it work for 300 yrs before they were correctly identified as such? Who are you accountable to? And what does that mean? I would say that protestant accountability rests with the individual because people aptly point out, the individual can come to a different conclusion about scripture and reject the teachers instruction. Just like good Thessalonians.
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And Scripture shows that Christians are to be submissive to the elders and deacons of their church.
But they can reject their teaching right? So they are not really submissive. Maybe optionally submissive if one wants to and it agrees with my interpritation.
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I know this is off the subject a little.
I waiting where a Pope tells you (figurative) to go and jump into the lake and drown. Which you who but putting your faith in his words and the Bishops and priest. Find yourself doing the crime in which they have ask you to do.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 11:02:59 AM
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I waiting where a Pope tells you (figurative) to go and jump into the lake and drown. Which you who but putting your faith in his words and the Bishops and priest. Find yourself doing the crime in which they have ask you to do.
Mac,
This is a red herring and really no kind of response to the facts. What good is a teacher if you don't listen to them? Not blindly of course because we recognize them as the keeper of apostlic tradition they do have authority and yet if they cannot bind us to incorrect doctrine and if told to drown myself would have no obligation to obey. Many saints in the past have opposed Papal decisions in the past and in the end the truth won out.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 11:09:41 AM
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Many saints in the past have opposed Papal decisions in the past and in the end the truth won out.
Could you give me some for instances of this happening?
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 12:35:14 PM
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......history shows that Christians were submissive to an authority which was Bishops in each established Patriarchate. There was not a mentality among Christians in the early Church of "me and Jesus." Nor was there a mentality of Sola Scriptura. Individual Christians didn't even possess Bibles for centuries.
To whom much is given, much will be required…
I have paper Bible, online Bibles, zillion of searchable Bible engines, study guides, Ipod sermons, internet debate forums with people that became mature Christians way before I started costing my parents money, and lastly, by the mercy of God, pretty allright brain (bar is set pretty low on what's required to be considered "brainy" these days : ) )
I will be held responsible if I fall for unwise, unscriptural teachings of a bishop, etc. be it Protestant, Catholic, Benny Hinn - much more then uneducated,illiterate poor peasant girl of the 1 century.
(counting what’s the total for my student loan will be  – ok, I am also poor, but far from uneducated!)
K-man coined that “Private Judgment”saying, I like that much. That is the judgment I would be responsible for. Being against the modern lefty-liberal culture of blaming everybody and everything, from parents, tv, online games to neighbor’s dog for our shortcomings is easy… ME is the one who answers for me.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 12:38:43 PM
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What good is a teacher if you don't listen to them? Not blindly of course
Ah-huh! that's the point. thanks, Otis.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 1:53:40 PM
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Doghouse, I think the point you are trying to make is.... The Pope is the voice of the Church for Roman Catholics. It is through this person that Roman Catholics hear the authority of the Church.
Not according the those who attend mass !
A whoppping 20 to 40 % don't hear the voice
of their church leader. Read the articles in this
week's Newsweek or follow pope-watch on TV.
But this is nothing new...
The pope isn't like the old E.F. Hutton ad
When the pope talks...many ignore him.
If they politely listen, they don't follow.
The pope doesn't speak for the RCC.
Many are still untrusting due to the molestations
B16 said the church handled that poorly.
Many RC are turned off by B16(He ain't JP2 !)
Who is the pope speaking to ?
Why isn't everyone listening ?
Why do some listen, but not do ?
Since the pope isn't the authority for the
entire RCC, who are the dissenters listening to ?
To call oneself Catholic demands listening to
the pope as the voice of the church, doesn't it ?
So, what other shepherd are they listening to ?
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 1:54:18 PM
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Ah-huh! that's the point. thanks, Otis.
So are you still saying/implying Catholics blindly follow! That is such a tired old rant. At least my Church has a name.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 2:18:41 PM
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So are you still saying/implying Catholics blindly follow!
No. I am explaining why we are not in CC. We are not blindly following.
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At least my Church has a name.
Good for you. Mine doesnt. It's " church that gathers in Waheed's home"
Paul addressed home based churches as “ church that gathers in ____’s home”
Yes, sir, they also have no name. But they are in the Bible ; )
You right, you got them beat. Your church has a name, even that yours is not in ..... ah, forget it.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 2:28:34 PM
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At least my Church has a name.
The building I show up at on Sunday mornings has a name too.
Thing is, that's not my church.
My church is called "The Bride of Christ". It's called "As many as received Him". It's called "The Children of God". It's called "Whosoever believeth in Him". It spans every nation, anywhere the faithful trust in Christ as their Savior, regardless of what language they speak, what hymns and praise they sing, what building they worship in, whether it's a lofty Roman Catholic cathedral or a simple mud hut on the plains of Africa where my inlaws are missionaries.
The church is not what's on the door. If you're a Christian, the church is YOU.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 8:24:56 PM
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Ah-huh! that's the point. thanks, Otis.
So are you still saying/implying Catholics blindly follow! That is such a tired old rant. At least my Church has a name.
Otis
and its leader is a man... Good luck...
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 8:55:58 PM
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And this from someone who actually states that scripture came before the Church! How can someone ever have a rational arguement when some adhers to this kind of perspective?
Ummmm... So you go to a Synagogue?
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 9:41:37 PM
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Why is it that Pope John Paul 2 is spoken of more than Pope Benedict 16?
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 11:01:29 PM
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Why is it that Pope John Paul 2 is spoken of more than Pope Benedict 16?
I am not sure that he is. But if he is spoken of more often, it is because of his long pontificate, the brilliance of his writings, and the holiness of his life.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 11:10:06 PM
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Why is it that Pope John Paul 2 is spoken of more than Pope Benedict 16?
I am not sure that he is. But if he is spoken of more often, it is because of his long pontificate, the brilliance of his writings, and the holiness of his life.
The man wrote that Islam worships the same God as Christains.... Brilliance? Hardlly...
Holiness of his life? The fact that he was the ring leader of a sex scandal cover up pretty much stuffs the idea that he led a holy life into the trash can...
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/17/2008 11:16:02 PM
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Ah-huh! that's the point. thanks, Otis.
So are you still saying/implying Catholics blindly follow! That is such a tired old rant. At least my Church has a name.
Otis
and its leader is a man... Good luck...
John
Once again, you put out an allegation without bothering to do any research. I would suggest that you need to have more concern for the truth.
Who is the head of the Catholic Church? Simple, it is Jesus Christ! Don't believe me? Let me document this claim, we have the following quote:
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Conversion leads to fraternal communion, because it enables us to understand that Christ is the head of the Church, his Mystical Body; it urges solidarity, because it makes us aware that whatever we do for others, especially for the poorest, we do for Christ himself.
This quote is from the following:
church in america
Now, of course, the Head of our Church, left Peter in charge. That is not terribly different from your church, because you probably have a pastor.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 4/18/2008 12:10:16 AM
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Papa-san
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Well, after seeing all of the pomp and bunny-fluff regarding all that the pope did today, it really makes me wonder where all this is headed... "We are ready for peace throughout the whole human family."
Creepy!
Anyways...
It really is kinda interesting to see these people reacting like he's some sort of rock star or something. Do these people get that excited over being in the presence of Christ? Somehow, I'm not seeing that kind of cheering at a mass... Wonder if that means anything?
I guess he spent some time with five of the sex-abuse victims from Boston... Wonder how many they managed to buy silence from... Not to mention how many more there have been all the world over for all those centuries... It'll be interesting to see the statistics God is keeping on that kind of thing... Yet, even though this pope is the one in charge of all the RCC, those people react like his church isn't consistently involved in that kind of thing... Are they really that blinded?
What's up with the popemobile? Where is his own personal faith? Does he feel that God cannot protect him? If he is what the RCC wants us to believe he is, he shouldn't need humanly devised protection: God would definitely take care of the leader of His earthly church, I think. Or if he were to get assassinated, it would be more like martyrdom, right? Well, every time I see him in that thing, I think of a portable grocery display case or a fish-tank...
I saw an interview with a local family who was 'blessed' with tickets to go see him! Tickets! LOL I wonder how much they charge for these tickets? Wonder if there are scalpers? Ohhh... Man! I gotta stop... Anyways... I like having some humor at the end of my day, so I'll keep watching the news until he heads back home...
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