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ORIGINAL: Limulus

I will smack anyone in the forehead that requests it, for FREE! No need to send me money.

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ORIGINAL: misty35

Im just not the type of person to label anyone.

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missty35: I must admit, I have seen Benny Hinn on TV, never in person and from what I have seen, he gives all the glory to the Lord.....now keep in mind, "WHAT I HAVE SEEN." There maybe a lot that I havent seen. But the Bible clearly states, that one of the nine gifts given, as the Holy Spirit determines is: miraculous powers....healing. So, how can anyone call him a false prophet? If the Bible did not state this, then I may very well be in agreement with those calling him a false prophet, but the Word of God tells us different.

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missty35: I must admit, I have seen Benny Hinn on TV, never in person and from what I have seen, he gives all the glory to the Lord.....now keep in mind, "WHAT I HAVE SEEN." There maybe a lot that I havent seen. But the Bible clearly states, that one of the nine gifts given, as the Holy Spirit determines is: miraculous powers....healing. So, how can anyone call him a false prophet? If the Bible did not state this, then I may very well be in agreement with those calling him a false prophet, but the Word of God tells us different.

Hi misty! Something to keep in mind, though. Just because someone can divine, heal, prophesy, etc., doesn’t mean the power is from God:

Deut 13:1 If a prophet , or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the Lord your God… You must purge the evil from among you.

Matt 24:23 “At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect – if that were possible.”

Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evil doers!”

2 Thess 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

Rev 16:14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

Jer 27:9 So do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your interpreters of dreams, your mediums or your sorcerers who tell you, ‘You will not serve the king of Babylon.’ 10 They prophesy lies to you that will only serve to remove you far from your lands; I will banish you and you will perish.

Jer 27:14 Do not listen to the words of the prophets who say to you, ‘You will not serve the king of Babylon,’ for they are prophesying lies to you. 15 I have not sent them,’ declares the Lord. ‘They are prophesying lies in my name.

True = of God.
False = of satan or demons.

False doesn't always mean faked. 'False' can also refer to the power behind the miracle, a power which is very real but not of God. Rev 13:13 states that fire will come down from heaven through the power of the beast. It doesn't say it's only an illusion of fire... it says it's real fire which comes through real power, yet it comes from satan:

Rev 13:13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.

So let's put together what we know about Hinn so far [Start with page 1 of this thread for the proof]. Benny Hinn

- Presents a false Jesus Christ [that alone should be enough for any Christian to reject Hinn]
- Has consistently performed false signs, false wonders, and false miracles.
- Teaches anti-Biblical false doctrine that cannot be reconciled with scripture. In a nutshell, he teaches lies.
- Falsely prophecies... this amounts to more lies.

Does this really sound like a Christian leader to you?

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Misty35: I agree with you, and I DO NOT doubt Scripture. But prove that you are right. Do you know Benny Hinn? Have you been to one of his crusades?

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Misty35: I agree with you, and I DO NOT doubt Scripture. But prove that you are right. Do you know Benny Hinn? Have you been to one of his crusades?

Hi again, Misty! This ISN'T about me being right. This is about what God has said. Just as I don't need to attend a Mormon church to KNOW that Mormon doctrine is false, I don't need to attend a Hinn crusade to KNOW that Benny Hinn teaches lies, speaks false prophecies, and performs false miracles. How do I know this? I simply compare what teacher 'X' says and does to God's word. God Himself has given us the means to recognize false teachers and false prophets, and told us to reject them.

Regarding Hinn's crusades: Experience doesn't make anything Biblical. Experience also doesn't make anything right, and what I mean by that is this:

I could go to a wiccan, a shaman, or a paganist and receive a 'healing'. Many people claim to be healed through these things, in fact. So does that make my pagan healing experience 'of God'?? Obviously not. But wait... I experienced something 'good', didn't I? Shouldn't that account for something?? Well, that is exactly the logic you are presenting here. If I go by personal experience and accept everything that seems good to be from God, then I had better start accepting pagan experiences as true, too.

Back to Benny Hinn. I KNOW he does not teach the truth according to the Bible because I have studied this matter pretty deeply. His doctrine contradicts God's word consistently. His 'signs' and 'wonders' have already been proven false many times over. His prophecies are nothing more than lies. This is not rocket science. Mr. Hinn is not of God according to God's own Word. God Himself has spoken to us and proven Hinn to be false through His scriptures.

This is your choice. If you really and truly want proof, you can start at the beginning of this thread and study the evidence carefully against Hinn for yourself. You can also google discernment sites that have also pointed out the facts. If you're not going to even attempt to read what's already been discussed and proven in this thread, then there's not much more I can do.

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ORIGINAL: misty35

There is one Judge, who is all knowing.....and its no one here.

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misty35: As I have stated as well, there is no proof to what has been said, and I think people need to be careful about what they say and who they label. Thats just a statement. I cant prove that he's not a false teacher, and wont even try. There is one Judge, who is all knowing.....and its no one here.

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misty35: As I have stated as well, there is no proof to what has been said, and I think people need to be careful about what they say and who they label. Thats just a statement. I cant prove that he's not a false teacher, and wont even try. There is one Judge, who is all knowing.....and its no one here.

The proof HAS been given on this thread, but it seems you just want to tell us we shouldn't judge without looking into the matter for yourself. God commands us to test, judge, expose, and stand firmly against what is false.

Test the spirit and judge through scripture:

Acts 17:10 As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

1 Jn 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Expose & turn away from false teachers:

Rom 16:17 Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.

Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel – 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. 10 For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach – and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

Rev 2:2 [To the church in Ephesus] I know you cannot tolerate wicked men, those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.

Judge [discern] rightly. Compare behavior, beliefs, doctrine against the standard of the Bible:

1 Cor 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother [believer] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside of the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

1 Cor 2:15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment.

Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is – His good, pleasing and perfect will.

Judge [discern] through scripture:

Acts 17:10 As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

1 Jn 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Rom 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.

Titus 1:9 He [an overseer or bishop] must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. 10 For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach – and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

Heb 13:7 Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

2 Tim 4:1 In the presence of God and Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: 23 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke, and encourage – with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Judging and exposing false teachers:

Eph 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. 10 For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach – and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

1 Tim 1:3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work – which is by faith.

1 Tim 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. 6 If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

Rom 16:17 Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.

Rev 2:2 [To the church in Ephesus] I know you cannot tolerate wicked men, those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.

Question 1: How do you reconcile your position of not judging and not calling what's false false in light of the above scriptures?

Question 2: Since you are keen on not labeling Mr. Hinn as a false teacher, can you reconcile Benny Hinn's teachings and actions with the Holy Bible? Yes or no.

If yes, please give scriptural support. If no... why not? If you don't know what Mr. Hinn teaches, how can you say we should not label him as a false teacher? Now would be a great time to study up on it and tell us why we're wrong.

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As I have stated as well, there is no proof to what has been said, and I think people need to be careful about what they say and who they label. Thats just a statement. I cant prove that he's not a false teacher, and wont even try. There is one Judge, who is all knowing.....and its no one here.

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misty35: As I have stated as well, there is no proof to what has been said, and I think people need to be careful about what they say and who they label. Thats just a statement. I cant prove that he's not a false teacher, and wont even try. There is one Judge, who is all knowing.....and its no one here.

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misty35: As I have stated as well, there is no proof to what has been said, and I think people need to be careful about what they say and who they label. Thats just a statement. I cant prove that he's not a false teacher, and wont even try. There is one Judge, who is all knowing.....and its no one here.

Repeating a non-answer isn't an answer. You have every right to come here and state your views, but I also have the right to ask you to explain yourself and support your views scripturally. Your argument currently boils down to "Because I said so!", and that is not good enough.

I asked you two very fair questions. One question asked you to reconcile your stated position of not judging and not calling what's false false in light of the BIBLICAL EVIDENCE to do so. I posted a plethora of passages which completely contradicted your position, yet you ignore them. The second question was for you to reconcile Hinn's teachings to the Bible and scripturally explain why he is not a false teacher.

Still waiting for an answer. Thanks.

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ORIGINAL: earthless

No reliable proof?

Video, audio and written evidence (rock solid proof) equals
no reliable proof"? Has the world gone bonkers?

And yes I do personally know Benny Hinn and I was one of those he said he wants to blow my head off with a "holy ghost machine gun". And my family and me are those he publically cursed.

Both incidents are on video and audio - both video and audio clips have been posted in this thread.

It seems that both misty and dawn_s have not read this thread and yet want to continue to post out of ignorance to the facts readily at hand. Shame on us all when we do that because that is a disregard to God's Word.

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Misty,

Please read the thread.

All of your questions you have asked are answered in it. You will be to see and hear and read for yourself the reliable proof that Benny Hinn is a false teacher and a false prophet.

We can know this because we have his claims, his teachings, his failed prophecies and all of that is tested with the Bible, the Word of God.

Again, please read the thread and get equipped.

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ORIGINAL: earthless

Misty,

Please read the thread.

All of your questions you have asked are answered in it. You will be to see and hear and read for yourself the reliable proof that Benny Hinn is a false teacher and a false prophet.

We can know this because we have his claims, his teachings, his failed prophecies and all of that is tested with the Bible, the Word of God.

Again, please read the thread and get equipped.

I understand what your saying Earthless, and I thank you for your kindness that you have shown. But really, Benny Hinn isnt taking me to Heaven....Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and He has equipped me, and continues too daily.

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ORIGINAL: earthless

Misty,

Please read the thread.

All of your questions you have asked are answered in it. You will be to see and hear and read for yourself the reliable proof that Benny Hinn is a false teacher and a false prophet.

We can know this because we have his claims, his teachings, his failed prophecies and all of that is tested with the Bible, the Word of God.

Again, please read the thread and get equipped.

I understand what your saying Earthless, and I thank you for your kindness that you have shown. But really, Benny Hinn isnt taking me to Heaven....Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and He has equipped me, and continues too daily.

So this means you're not going to read the thread?

Well, that's fine.. free-will is a beautiful thing. It's always easier to remain uninformed about something someone keeps wanting to give an opinion on.

But we all will have to give an account to God for what we failed to do. As for me and my house, we will continue to sound the alarm about the wolf in sheep's clothing that is Benny Hinn and his cohorts.

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ORIGINAL: earthless

Misty,

Please read the thread.

All of your questions you have asked are answered in it. You will be to see and hear and read for yourself the reliable proof that Benny Hinn is a false teacher and a false prophet.

We can know this because we have his claims, his teachings, his failed prophecies and all of that is tested with the Bible, the Word of God.

Again, please read the thread and get equipped.

I understand what your saying Earthless, and I thank you for your kindness that you have shown. But really, Benny Hinn isnt taking me to Heaven....Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and He has equipped me, and continues too daily.

So this means you're not going to read the thread?

Well, that's fine.. free-will is a beautiful thing. It's always easier to remain uninformed about something someone keeps wanting to give an opinion on.

But we all will have to give an account to God for what we failed to do. As for me and my house, we will continue to sound the alarm about the wolf in sheep's clothing that is Benny Hinn and his cohorts.

Oh give me a break Earthless, so Im going to have to give account to God because I didnt read this thread? You keep thinking that, you only make me laugh that much more!

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ORIGINAL: earthless

Misty,

Please read the thread.

All of your questions you have asked are answered in it. You will be to see and hear and read for yourself the reliable proof that Benny Hinn is a false teacher and a false prophet.

We can know this because we have his claims, his teachings, his failed prophecies and all of that is tested with the Bible, the Word of God.

Again, please read the thread and get equipped.

I understand what your saying Earthless, and I thank you for your kindness that you have shown. But really, Benny Hinn isnt taking me to Heaven....Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and He has equipped me, and continues too daily.

So this means you're not going to read the thread?

Well, that's fine.. free-will is a beautiful thing. It's always easier to remain uninformed about something someone keeps wanting to give an opinion on.

But we all will have to give an account to God for what we failed to do. As for me and my house, we will continue to sound the alarm about the wolf in sheep's clothing that is Benny Hinn and his cohorts.

Oh give me a break Earthless, so Im going to have to give account to God because I didnt read this thread? You keep thinking that, you only make me laugh that much more!

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ORIGINAL: earthless

Kat - your post reminded me of something I shared a while back in another related thread:

John the Baptist called the Pharisees and Sadducees (the religious leaders of his day) "a generation of vipers" (snakes) (Matthew 3:7). Today, he would be accused of being unloving, unkind, and unchristian.

Jesus said to the religious Pharisees, "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh" (Matthew 12:34). To many evangelicals and some fundamentalists, this would be unacceptable language today, but it is biblical language and it came from the mouth of the Son of God.

Standing face to face with these false teachers, Jesus Christ the son of God, called them "hypocrites," "blind guides," "blind, "whited sepulchres," "serpents," and "ye generation of vipers" (Matthew 23:23-34).

Yet, we are told today that we are to fellowship with men whose doctrines are just as unscriptural as those of the Pharisees. Some who say they are Bible believing Christians insist on working with Roman Catholics and other assorted heretics. Yet, according to many, we are not supposed to rebuke them for their compromise.

Near the beginning of His ministry, "Jesus went up to Jerusalem, and found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise" (John 2:13-16).

Our Saviour is presented today as one who was meek, lowly, kind, and loving, even to false teachers, but this is entirely false. When dealing with false teachers and prophets, His words were sharp and His actions plain.

Near the end of His public ministry, Christ found it necessary to cleanse the temple once again. The exposure of false doctrines and practices is a never ending job.

At that time He said, "Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves" (Mark 11:17).

Is it any different today? The thieves come into the house of God, and rob God's people of the Bible and peddle their perverted Bibles instead. At the same time this den of thieves rob the people off the doctrine of separation and the doctrine of sanctification. Then you can hardly tell God's people from the people of the world. In all honesty, should not these thieves (false teachers) be exposed?

In our day these false teachers have come into the churches with their books, literature, movies, psychology, and seminars, and have turned the Father's house into a den of thieves. It is time that men of God stand up and expose their errors for all to see.

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Misty,

Please read the thread.

All of your questions you have asked are answered in it. You will be to see and hear and read for yourself the reliable proof that Benny Hinn is a false teacher and a false prophet.

We can know this because we have his claims, his teachings, his failed prophecies and all of that is tested with the Bible, the Word of God.

Again, please read the thread and get equipped.

I understand what your saying Earthless, and I thank you for your kindness that you have shown. But really, Benny Hinn isnt taking me to Heaven....Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and He has equipped me, and continues too daily.

So this means you're not going to read the thread?

Well, that's fine.. free-will is a beautiful thing. It's always easier to remain uninformed about something someone keeps wanting to give an opinion on.

But we all will have to give an account to God for what we failed to do. As for me and my house, we will continue to sound the alarm about the wolf in sheep's clothing that is Benny Hinn and his cohorts.

Oh give me a break Earthless, so Im going to have to give account to God because I didnt read this thread? You keep thinking that, you only make me laugh that much more!

What have you got to lose if you investigate Hinn? Absolutely nothing, and you have everything to gain. Unless of course you like burying your head in the sand and refusing to see what is so obvious to so many here...Benny Hinn is a false teacher who has led countless people away from the Truth of God and His Word. He obviously banks on people like you who choose to remain ignorant. They are what he has made his millions on and what enables him to continue to build his false kingdom. Please, take the time to educate yourself.