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Dawn_s & Misty 35:

Since you are to lazy to investigaste yourself, it looks like someone will have to do it for you:

Three false prophecies of Benny Hinn

Benny Hinn, Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989
http://op.50megs.com/ditc/hinn1.html

"The Spirit tells me - Fidel Castro will die - in the 90's. Oooh my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power, and Cuba will be visited of God."

NEVER HAPPENED!

Benny Hinn, Orlando Christian Center, Dec. 31st, 1989.
http://op.50megs.com/ditc/BENNY-HINN-HOMOSEXUALS.mp3

"The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid 90's, about '94-'95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America. [audience applauds] But He will not destroy it - with what many minds have thought Him to be, He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed."

NEVER HAPPENED!!

Benny Hinn, TBN Praise-a-thon, April 2nd, 2000
http://op.50megs.com/benny-hinn.wav

"The hour is urgent. Many of you have known me for many years. But I am telling you right now, things I haven't said years 'n years 'n years ago. I believe - here this, hear this! I believe, that Jesus, God's Son, is about to appear physically, in meetings and to believers around the world, to wake us up! He appeared after His resurrection and He is about to appear before His second coming!
NO VIDEO. DIDN'T HAPPEN. CAN'T HAPPEN!

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ORIGINAL: Stephanos

To be fair earth, you didnt give your awesome testemony regarding Hinn in this thread (I think it was the WOF thread), so the doubters would not see (even if they did try to look) how strong of connections you have not only to Hinn but others in the WOF crowd.

All glory to God! Here is the portion of it that you refer to:

I well try to type out as much of it as I can.... and hopefully not butcher it much due to time constraints. Not everything will be in chronological order:

A good number of years ago I used to co-own a Christian recording label - I was also the manager of the label's premiere band. We would do an average of several hundred concerts/events a year - all throughout the U.S., Latin America, and Canada. We were also popular in the Philippines, etc..

Did that for a good number of years and because of it had the opportunity to visit literally thousands of different churches from various denominations.

During those times we were in many a service where the Word of Faith type preachings and practices were conducted. Present and not being able to necessarily just walk out - I have seen my fair share of the so-called manifestations this group claims.

During this time I was an associate pastor in a decent sized inner-city Pentecostal church. Our doctrine was at times a bit more middle of the road Baptist, but many of our beliefs, worship styles, etc.. were Pentecostal.

Did that for almost ten years and during that time started writing for different publications, ministries, etc regarding apologetic type topics - ranging from cults, the occults, abhorrent movements in the church, false teachers, false prophets, cultural trends, world religions and a list of other items.

During our search for a senior pastor (because for many years there wasn't one, it fell on me and I was rather young to even be doing so according to many) the church ended up merging with another that came with a senior pastor the board had approved.

The first year of the merge was fine and nothing out of the ordinary besides the usual growing pains of two different congregations coming together as one.

A little after the first year the senior pastor and the leaders that came from his original congregation started taking affront to my sermons and or apologetic round table meetings we had once a week.

They started to preach HYPER Word of Faith and many claim that they were just masking it during the initial meet and greet and subsequent first year.

It got to the point where one Sunday morning I would preach about God's grace being sufficient and the next Sunday morning the senior pastor or someone from his side of the fence would counter what I had said and preach that if we speak forth things they will come into existence.

One Wednesday night round table would be about a particular Word of Faith individual's teachings, such as Joel Osteen.. and then that following Sunday morning they would preach about how marvelous God was using Joel and his new book.

One Sunday morning I would preach about God being the sovereign creator of all and the next Sunday morning they would preach about being little gods and God needing permission to do anything in this planet.

On and on and on I could go with examples after examples.. it was a very hard time for my family and me. For many that did not agree with what was going on and church time ended up being a time of over-bearing stress, headaches, and nervousness of what was going to be said or done in the service.

The string that broke the camel's back was the last Sunday we were present.. the senior pastor preached about getting so deep into prayer that he would physically levitate. We sat there stunned and during our family dinner time could not get over what he had said.

My parents thought that perhaps we heard him wrong, misunderstood him, or that he left out some context or clarification.

So my mom called him that night and asked for him and his wife to join us for coffee and cake the following night (Monday night).

They graciously accepted.

When they arrived at my parent's house that following evening.. we brought our concerns up with him and asked him if he could please clarify for us what he had said.

He did.

He said that he indeed would physically levitate and float around the room when he would get deep into prayer.

We asked him two more times if that was what he indeed meant. He said absolutely yes, without a doubt.

After dealing with that state of affairs for some three years, we made the decision (as a family) to leave the church.

It hurt to do so - we had been there since its inception. Had helped to physically build it up from a one room store front to a full complex that had around 500 active members.

For some years (and still to this day) I have written for several apologetic and research ministries/organizations. In being part of that I have had the opportunity to be in situations that were surreal.

One example is having had dinner with Benny Hinn - out of our concerns about his Word of Faith teachings and such. After a long and good discussion he repented of his teachings and vowed he would renounce them on the air (TBN).

What happened shortly after that meeting?

He publically cursed us on a platform, said we would be stricken down for touching God's anointed. He then went on TBN and to rousing applause said that he had searched the Scripture for one verse, just one verse, that would say God could give him a holy ghost machine gun to blow our heads off with. He was angry about "heretic hunters" and certain organizations naming names on the radio airwaves and in their publications.

I have received death threats, vile death porn, physical attacks, been kicked out churches, cursed, called a tool of Satan, told I am dead in my sins, told I do not know the Holy Spirit, lost many friends, lost many so-called opportunities because of what I write and say.

My wife was born and raised in a HYPER Word of Faith church - one that would make many Lakeland participants blush. One where the pastor referred to himself as an Apostle. One where frequent so-called Prophets would speak "words of knowledge" even though their success rate was dismissal, people still would follow their words.

One where they once locked the doors of the church, instructed the deacons to block the doors, and not allow anyone to leave until they donated at least $1,000 then and there.

One where the "Apostle" and his Pastor wife had people take their jewelry, car keys, anything of value and bring to them at the altar. They then got down and rolled around in the money, the rings, and chains, and car keys.

Telling people God was going to give them double of what they gave.

One where they then told everyone that in the basement of the church they were going to be selling back everything to the highest bidder.

I will never forget being in the parking lot that night after the debacle and speaking to a guy who was a new believer. He told me that he had just gotten saved a few months ago, was an immigrant, and was praying to God for a job and a way to get to it.

He said that he thought God had answered his prayers with a 1988 VW Jetta and a basic job. But that now God had asked him for the car and he did not know how he was going to get to work that following day.

My heart sunk.

A church where if you were going to miss any service or one of their nightly events (be it bible study, worship practices, pantry help, youth group, etc..) you had to call the "Apostle" and ask for permission to miss. Even when you did not have any ministry responsibilities for that particular date.

If he said no and you still did not go - you were put on discipline and told that you were disobedient to the Lord.

My mother in law is an international Word of Faith "superstar" - she has sat on Osteen's planning meetings (as have I). She has done a number of conferences with the largest names in the Word of Faith circuit (and I have been present there, behind the scenes, with her for many of them).

She says I need to be transformed by the Holy Spirit and has said that if I changed my ways (stop discussing things in light of Scripture) that she could easily plant me in those conferences and that I would quickly (she says due to my Scripture memorization and speaking skills) rise to the top and have enough money to never worry about finances.

I am sharing more than I am comfortable with, but the context of my answer to your question requires a little of it.

A LOT could be said - but I need to stop now.

All of that is just the tip of the iceberg.. so for someone to say that I do not know Word of Faith.. well.. it's a bit skewed.

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Misty,

All glory and honor to Jesus. Nothing to apologize for, I hope you understand a little more the frustration/tone of my posts. God bless you and please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

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dawn_s:

There's no need to leave the thread. Just keep in mind that the whole purpose of this thread is to discuss the issues surrounding Benny Hinn rather than silence people from talking about it or hide from the facts as some obviously want to do. It's important on so many levels because Hinn is a false teacher with a huge following and influence. The more we get the word out and educate people about him, the better they in turn can warn their friends and family and acquaintances.

We can't stop the Benny Hinn's of the world, but we can look out for our neighbors and care enough about them to warn them of the very real danger. That is the reason we are here.

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Just symptomatic of people that see it's a thread about BH, come in expecting to talk about Good Morning Holy Spirit or something, read 2 pages max, see an instance or two of his teachings being tested, thinks he is being judged, proceeds to say it like we've never heard it before, gets in a tiff and leaves. Sad.

Yes, you did post about this here^^^. Don't know how I missed it, but you have been proven to be absolutely right!

Kat_D
I hope you will accept my apology as well.

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Dawn and misty

Something that you two need to realize, that might explain some of the seemingly harsh words and attitudes that some of us on this forum have, is due to the fact that several times, in regards to hinn and the WOF thead (and others);people have come and claimed we know nothing about what we are talking about. That we probably are all strict traditionalists who dont allow any work of the Holy Spirit to enter our lives. That we not only have never met any in the WOF crowd or even heard them; that we are just sharing the same soundbits on the web. They use ad hominem attacks against us because they refuse to even entertain our positions. It is one thing when someone comes here, is thoughtful, shares their beliefs, explains why they disagree with ours, and leaves it at that. FurGodwurlivin is a great case in point. man on this forum disagree greatly with some of the things that IHOP (the group he works with) teaches. I dare say the majority of those who post in the Theo/church forum disagree. But he shares his views on the subject and leaves it at that.

But again, there are others who will try and attack us personally claiming that we dont know what we are talking about. And what these people fail to realize is that most of us who are so strong against Hinn and other WOF'ers, are so because we have been PERSONALLY effected by these teachings. We have PERSONALLY seen their destructive nature, and we have felt a personal call by God to speak out against these teachings.

For my part, I was a attender of a church in Hannibal Mo, that was heavily in WOF teachings. We had monthly "revival" meetings with self proclamed Evangelicist John David the "Ambassador to Brownsville", and through him he brought John Kilpatrick (the pastor at Brownsville) to our church. They taught tongues as "REQUIRED" for salvation, and preasured people into speaking in tongues. We had several hour long "alter" calls where people would be "slayed" in the spirit (though several times it was the Pastor SLAMMING my head to get me to go down). We had several false prophecies and visions (one a lady claimed to have...but I seen the SAME EXACT "prophecy" online several MONTHS before). We had the same people coming night after night for the SAME healing. And so on and so on.

The point is, that while you two (Dawn/Misty) have not, others have questioned us personally. And when we see people come here and refuse to look at what has been said...frankly it upsets some of us.

We are all for a open discussion, and believe it or not we can do it...but it is a two way road...and unfortunatly too many times others have not wanted to travel it.

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misty35:

As someone earlier said, no apologies necessary. I hope you will stick around and start digging into Hinn's teachings so you can really see what we've been talking about all along. One place you might want to start is a discernment site where all the information is gathered together. Typically they give references and video/audio evidence when they quote Hinn so you can see and hear what he's said for yourself. Here's a link if you are interested:

http://www.letusreason.org/b.hinn.htm

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See, God can use someone like BH for His glory. This thread has surprisingly led many of us to walk in meekness, humility, forgiveness and tenderheartedness. Thanks Benny

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On another note, Im sorry to find out that GOD-TV with all the fake preachers is now being allowed to go to another country outside the United States. I am sad to report that now it is creeping its ugly heresy outside the USA. :( they were all glad that they were able to broadcast out there,, im sorry i forgot which country but it was outside the USA.

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Just symptomatic of people that see it's a thread about BH, come in expecting to talk about Good Morning Holy Spirit or something, read 2 pages max, see an instance or two of his teachings being tested, thinks he is being judged, proceeds to say it like we've never heard it before, gets in a tiff and leaves. Sad.

Yes, you did post about this here^^^. Don't know how I missed it, but you have been proven to be absolutely right!

Kat_D
I hope you will accept my apology as well.

Dawn,

There is nothing for you to apologize for. I'm sorry if you misunderstood my attempt at humor when I said, "Do you gotta problem with dat?," but really I was just kidding around. I should have been more sensitive.

This is truly a painful subject for many of us in that we have a burden for those who are deceived by false teachers.

I hope we can be friends and look forward to interacting with you on these forums.

Blessings!

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Dawn and misty

Something that you two need to realize, that might explain some of the seemingly harsh words and attitudes that some of us on this forum have, is due to the fact that several times, in regards to hinn and the WOF thead (and others);people have come and claimed we know nothing about what we are talking about. That we probably are all strict traditionalists who dont allow any work of the Holy Spirit to enter our lives. That we not only have never met any in the WOF crowd or even heard them; that we are just sharing the same soundbits on the web. They use ad hominem attacks against us because they refuse to even entertain our positions. It is one thing when someone comes here, is thoughtful, shares their beliefs, explains why they disagree with ours, and leaves it at that. FurGodwurlivin is a great case in point. man on this forum disagree greatly with some of the things that IHOP (the group he works with) teaches. I dare say the majority of those who post in the Theo/church forum disagree. But he shares his views on the subject and leaves it at that.

But again, there are others who will try and attack us personally claiming that we dont know what we are talking about. And what these people fail to realize is that most of us who are so strong against Hinn and other WOF'ers, are so because we have been PERSONALLY effected by these teachings. We have PERSONALLY seen their destructive nature, and we have felt a personal call by God to speak out against these teachings.

For my part, I was a attender of a church in Hannibal Mo, that was heavily in WOF teachings. We had monthly "revival" meetings with self proclamed Evangelicist John David the "Ambassador to Brownsville", and through him he brought John Kilpatrick (the pastor at Brownsville) to our church. They taught tongues as "REQUIRED" for salvation, and preasured people into speaking in tongues. We had several hour long "alter" calls where people would be "slayed" in the spirit (though several times it was the Pastor SLAMMING my head to get me to go down). We had several false prophecies and visions (one a lady claimed to have...but I seen the SAME EXACT "prophecy" online several MONTHS before). We had the same people coming night after night for the SAME healing. And so on and so on.

The point is, that while you two (Dawn/Misty) have not, others have questioned us personally. And when we see people come here and refuse to look at what has been said...frankly it upsets some of us.

We are all for a open discussion, and believe it or not we can do it...but it is a two way road...and unfortunatly too many times others have not wanted to travel it.

Stephanos,
Thank you for your post, and explaining, its very helpful in many ways. I was very wrong for assuming anything, and Im sorry. I didnt read alot of the post, maybe a handful at the most. I have never personally seen Benny Hinn, only on TV, and I must admit, I have questioned alot of what I have seen, but just kinda kept it to myself, because personally, I dont know, and that was the point that I was trying to make, but now that we have went into deeper discussion about it, and you have shared your experiences with me, I can clearly see why you believe the way you do, and respect you for that. I was most deffianetly in the wrong for not reading more that what I had read, before opening my mouth. I hope everyone here forgives me. I hate arguments and debates, I didnt come to the forum for those reasons. Everyone has been nice and patient with me, and Im very thankful for that.

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Dawn and misty

Something that you two need to realize, that might explain some of the seemingly harsh words and attitudes that some of us on this forum have, is due to the fact that several times, in regards to hinn and the WOF thead (and others);people have come and claimed we know nothing about what we are talking about. That we probably are all strict traditionalists who dont allow any work of the Holy Spirit to enter our lives. That we not only have never met any in the WOF crowd or even heard them; that we are just sharing the same soundbits on the web. They use ad hominem attacks against us because they refuse to even entertain our positions. It is one thing when someone comes here, is thoughtful, shares their beliefs, explains why they disagree with ours, and leaves it at that. FurGodwurlivin is a great case in point. man on this forum disagree greatly with some of the things that IHOP (the group he works with) teaches. I dare say the majority of those who post in the Theo/church forum disagree. But he shares his views on the subject and leaves it at that.

But again, there are others who will try and attack us personally claiming that we dont know what we are talking about. And what these people fail to realize is that most of us who are so strong against Hinn and other WOF'ers, are so because we have been PERSONALLY effected by these teachings. We have PERSONALLY seen their destructive nature, and we have felt a personal call by God to speak out against these teachings.

For my part, I was a attender of a church in Hannibal Mo, that was heavily in WOF teachings. We had monthly "revival" meetings with self proclamed Evangelicist John David the "Ambassador to Brownsville", and through him he brought John Kilpatrick (the pastor at Brownsville) to our church. They taught tongues as "REQUIRED" for salvation, and preasured people into speaking in tongues. We had several hour long "alter" calls where people would be "slayed" in the spirit (though several times it was the Pastor SLAMMING my head to get me to go down). We had several false prophecies and visions (one a lady claimed to have...but I seen the SAME EXACT "prophecy" online several MONTHS before). We had the same people coming night after night for the SAME healing. And so on and so on.

The point is, that while you two (Dawn/Misty) have not, others have questioned us personally. And when we see people come here and refuse to look at what has been said...frankly it upsets some of us.

We are all for a open discussion, and believe it or not we can do it...but it is a two way road...and unfortunatly too many times others have not wanted to travel it.

Stephanos,
Thank you for your post, and explaining, its very helpful in many ways. I was very wrong for assuming anything, and Im sorry. I didnt read alot of the post, maybe a handful at the most. I have never personally seen Benny Hinn, only on TV, and I must admit, I have questioned alot of what I have seen, but just kinda kept it to myself, because personally, I dont know, and that was the point that I was trying to make, but now that we have went into deeper discussion about it, and you have shared your experiences with me, I can clearly see why you believe the way you do, and respect you for that. I was most deffianetly in the wrong for not reading more that what I had read, before opening my mouth. I hope everyone here forgives me. I hate arguments and debates, I didnt come to the forum for those reasons. Everyone has been nice and patient with me, and Im very thankful for that.

Ummmmm, do you agree with this thread now?!?

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Ummmmm, do you agree with this thread now?!?

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Ummmmm, do you agree with this thread now?!?

The real important question is: Do you agree with what Scripture plainly says versus what Benny Hinn teaches?

I don't see how any self-professing Christian can justify documented evidence of rank heresy and failed/false prophecy.

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Prove Benny Hinn is a false teacher. Convince me Earthless.

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Hey, and better yet, since you are so smart, and you know so much, why don't we see you on TV, warning the world about Benny Hinn?

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Ummmmm, do you agree with this thread now?!?

The real important question is: Do you agree with what Scripture plainly says versus what Benny Hinn teaches?

I don't see how any self-professing Christian can justify documented evidence of rank heresy and failed/false prophecy.

Prove Benny Hinn is a false teacher. Convince me Earthless. Hey, and better yet, since you are so smart, and you know so much, why don't we see you on TV, warning the world about Benny Hinn?

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Prove Benny Hinn is a false teacher. Convince me Earthless. Hey, and better yet, since you are so smart, and you know so much, why don't we see you on TV, warning the world about Benny Hinn?