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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/3/2005 11:15:21 PM
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SingingSailormoon
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It was my impression that the Skull & Bones aura of evil was just college humor.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/4/2005 12:36:00 AM
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America collectively did not vote the way I did.
And this was due to lack of research?
meh, lack of research and a short sighted worldview contribute a great deal imo. You undoubtably disagree with me.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/4/2005 8:36:26 AM
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Interesting thread....
Hmmm...
Bush's policies - Most of them unconstitutional, and cost the country (taxpayers) more money putting us further in debt.
War in Iraq - We should've stayed out and focused our attention on Osama Bin Laden instead of Saddam.
Yeah we tried this once and then they bombed Pearl Harbor. Burying your head in the sand dose not make the problems go away, they just keep growing.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/4/2005 9:32:05 AM
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Jhud
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meh, lack of research and a short sighted worldview contribute a great deal imo. You undoubtably disagree with me.
Sure I do, because I voted for him and it had nothing to do with lack of research or a 'short sighted worldview'.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/4/2005 7:28:03 PM
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B_Pascal
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meh, lack of research and a short sighted worldview contribute a great deal imo. You undoubtably disagree with me.
Sure I do, because I voted for him and it had nothing to do with lack of research or a 'short sighted worldview'.
What did it have to do with?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 1:32:32 PM
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An agreement with him on his handling of the war on terrorism, a number of economic views, and and his stance on a number of social issues.
Also, no reasonable alternative.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 2:04:54 PM
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Jules Archer
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An agreement with him on his handling of the war on terrorism, a number of economic views, and and his stance on a number of social issues.
Strike three, he's out!
Oh I'm sorry, were you joking?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 2:09:31 PM
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Jhud
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Strike three, he's out!
Oh I'm sorry, were you joking?
No, but I see you were trying to.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 2:20:22 PM
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Jules Archer
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Strike three, he's out!
Oh I'm sorry, were you joking?
No, but I see you were trying to.
Really? Because it was quite funny. But that's only because he's so bad on all of those topics.
So, I take it you like the results you're seeing so far?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 2:40:16 PM
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Really? Because it was quite funny. But that's only because he's so bad on all of those topics.
So, I take it you like the results you're seeing so far?
I prefer them to the alternatives.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 2:53:00 PM
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Jules Archer
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Really? Because it was quite funny. But that's only because he's so bad on all of those topics.
So, I take it you like the results you're seeing so far?
I prefer them to the alternatives.
I see. High deficits are better than high surpluses. Relaxed pollution controls resulting in more pollution are better than regulations which keep our Earth cleaner. Creating more fanaticism and pain and suffering through Terrorism is better than addressing issues which result in an actual reduction in Terrorism. Social issues that are more invasive and intrusive are better than less goverment involvement in our lives?
No thanks.
I'm going back into absentee mode. This place gives me the willies.
Peace to you all.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 3:07:43 PM
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Jhud
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I see. High deficits are better than high surpluses .
Actually, I don't care for congresses spending practices, though I understand them in war time; and I like Bush's Social Security reform ideas and his tax lowering plans.
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Relaxed pollution controls resulting in more pollution are better than regulations which keep our Earth cleaner.
I don't agree with every aspect of Bush's environmental policies, but I realize we have to reduce our dependence on foreign sources of oil, and that might mean a willingness to continue to develop our resources, even in Alaska; along with other sources of energy like nuclear, and wind and hydrogen.
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Creating more fanaticism and pain and suffering through Terrorism is better than addressing issues which result in an actual reduction in Terrorism.
Concerning terrorism, I am always suspicious of people who call American soldiers terorists. Strike that; anyone who calls our military a terrorist organization is making a morally repugnant statement, and is basically sentimentally in agreement with radical islamists.
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Social issues that are more invasive and intrusive are better than less goverment involvement in our lives?
I don't find anti-abortion laws and laws preventing homosexuals from altering the nature of marriage intrusive at all.
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I'm going back into absentee mode. This place gives me the willies.
I can imagine.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 6:56:32 PM
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Concerning terrorism, I am always suspicious of people who call American soldiers terorists. Strike that; anyone who calls our military a terrorist organization is making a morally repugnant statement, and is basically sentimentally in agreement with radical islamists.
"Two platoons went into My Lai looking for Viet Cong fighters, on the orders of Lt. William Calley........... While the exact circumstances leading up to the attack are still argued about, what's undisputed is the outcome of the military maneuver. When they entered the village, the soldiers began shooting unarmed civilians. Orders were given to raze the huts the villagers lived in.
..........Men, women and children, including babies, were killed in the carnage that followed. Praying children were shot in the back of the head, elderly men were hacked to death with bayonets. People were shot on their knees, in the back, with their hands in the air.
Not everyone in the company took part in the massacre, but enough of them did, led by Calley who reportedly mowed down 60 captured civilians in a ditch by himself after his soldiers balked at the order. Although the Army's official report determined that only about 10 soldiers actually performed the massacre, that's kind of hard to believe in light of the devastation ultimately wrought.
More than 500 people were killed in just hours. Some of the corpses were mutilated. Some women who weren't killed were gang-raped. Other villagers were beaten and tortured. And evidence of the carnage was recorded on film by an Army photographer accompanying the unit named Ron Haeberle."
Only William Calley was ever tried and convicted, but he received token punishment. My Lai serves as a warning that the American military is not above reproach or exempt from a cover up. Many accusations against American soldiers are politically motivated, but each incident should be judged on its own merit.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 11:11:14 PM
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Jhud
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Only William Calley was ever tried and convicted, but he received token punishment. My Lai serves as a warning that the American military is not above reproach or exempt from a cover up. Many accusations against American soldiers are politically motivated, but each incident should be judged on its own merit.
And you think this is what these men were sent to Vietnam to do?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/7/2005 3:39:19 PM
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My Lai serves as a warning that the American military is not above reproach or exempt from a cover up.
Wounded Knee served as that warning, a warning we never heeded because we don't seem to actually learn from history, or teach it properly, or try to go forward with the lessons it teaches. We still don't. Quite sad.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/8/2005 10:20:25 PM
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Sadly, there are other genocidal acts in military history, not all of them commtted by American GIs:
--The deliberate bombardment of civilians by General Sherman (1860s)
--The massacre of Plains Indians during well planned winter raids to make way for the Union Pacific and Central Pacific railroads (Sherman and Sheridan)
--Roosevelt's bloody occupation of the Philippines
--Japan's massacre of > 1 million civilians in Nanking
--Remember that the Armenians were disarmed and massacred by the Turks. GWB was so diplomatic, he never used the word GENOCIDE in reference to Armenian Remembrance Day!!
--Mao's Great Leap Forward resulted in 30-60 million deaths.
--And we cannot forget the 1.6 million slaughtered by the communist Khmer Rouge.
America's military does not have a monopoly on atrocities-- I did not mention Georgian, Ukrainians, Poles or other victims of Stalin's armies. A unarmed populace surrounded by a heavily armed military is usually a recipe for oppression!
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My Lai serves as a warning that the American military is not above reproach or exempt from a cover up.
Wounded Knee served as that warning, a warning we never heeded because we don't seem to actually learn from history, or teach it properly, or try to go forward with the lessons it teaches. We still don't. Quite sad.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 11:45:22 AM
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GWB is living proof that ANYBODY can be president. GWB is living proof that ANYBODY can be president.
Anybody? Anybody backed by a political machine large enough and powerful enough to thwart the will of the American people.
Now THAT really hit the nail on the head!
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 12:57:08 PM
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GWB is living proof that ANYBODY can be president.
Anybody? Anybody backed by a political machine large enough and powerful enough to thwart the will of the American people.
Perhaps you'd care to tell us how the will of the American people was thwarted?
Let me guess, the only legitimate election results would be a John Kerry victory, right?
Try to remember this: George W. Bush WON the election in 2000. Every subsequent recount showed that he won Florida. I don't care if the margin was slim, he still had more votes than Gore.
Hang onto your hat: George W. Bush also WON the election in 2004, and this one wasn't even close.
Again, the American peoples' will was thwarted.....how?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 5:44:02 PM
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I can't speak for GWB, but as for myself,I was thinking AFTER the election,Iraq in particular,and the economy and jobs going overseas.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 10:05:48 PM
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GWB is living proof that ANYBODY can be president.
Anybody? Anybody backed by a political machine large enough and powerful enough to thwart the will of the American people.
Perhaps you'd care to tell us how the will of the American people was thwarted?
Let me guess, the only legitimate election results would be a John Kerry victory, right?
Try to remember this: George W. Bush WON the election in 2000. Every subsequent recount showed that he won Florida. I don't care if the margin was slim, he still had more votes than Gore.
Hang onto your hat: George W. Bush also WON the election in 2004, and this one wasn't even close.
Again, the American peoples' will was thwarted.....how?
How quick the Republicans forget - it was Richard Nixon who was also elected for a second term and then returned their trust by commiting crimminal acts. Perhaps Republicans would care to explain why only Nixon received a presidental pardon by an unelected Republican president - placing a president above the law. A twice elected president, particularly Republican ones, are quite capable of thwarting the will of the people.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 10:49:40 PM
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soblessed53
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So true and let's not forget Reagan and Ollie North! Reagan used the defense of"I don't recall"! After all those years of Republican corruption,Bill Clinton's personal sexual /moral failings seem pretty tame in comparison!
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 11:47:26 PM
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How quick the Republicans forget - it was Richard Nixon who was also elected for a second term and then returned their trust by commiting crimminal acts. Perhaps Republicans would care to explain why only Nixon received a presidental pardon by an unelected Republican president - placing a president above the law. A twice elected president, particularly Republican ones, are quite capable of thwarting the will of the people.
A Presidential pardon isn't 'above the law'; it's actually a Constitutional power. One which Clinton used numerous times to get his buddies off.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 11:50:03 PM
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