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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/25/2009 9:13:24 PM
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Reba
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Who do you teach? public or privet etc?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/25/2009 10:48:07 PM
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Reba, I've taught Music and 4th grade Language Arts/Reading. Last year, I started teaching K-5 Gifted and Talented students. All of my teaching has been in the public school setting, which needs Christians to counteract the secular influence.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/26/2009 8:13:38 AM
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I have a question......what do u think of this???
Do u think it is going too far to have people sign a list of standards??? Is that the gyst of what you are getting at?
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We had a strange situation in my town a couple of weeks ago - the entire staff of a local SBC resigned on the same day. The pastor issued something like a statement of doctrines and church covenant. In it, he said the church would addopt Reformed Theology. (This is a little rare here, but another SBC has an RT pastor but without internal problems realted to that.) I don't think RT was the primary issue, but his church covenant with an exhaustive series of "will not" statements, including certain activities and sale or use of alcoholic beverages.
Apparently, the staff was behind the pastor, who let the church vote on adopting the package deal, which each member would, then, be required to sign. The vote was overwhelmingly against the proposal and the staff all resigned.
If you look at their current staff page, only two secretaries are listed.
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The former pastor has actually started a new church with members willing to go along with his list of standards.
What strange times...
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/26/2009 8:32:50 AM
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Eutychus
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I have a question......what do u think of this???
Do u think it is going too far to have people sign a list of standards??? Is that the gyst of what you are getting at?
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ORIGINAL: Eutychus
We had a strange situation in my town a couple of weeks ago - the entire staff of a local SBC resigned on the same day. The pastor issued something like a statement of doctrines and church covenant. In it, he said the church would addopt Reformed Theology. (This is a little rare here, but another SBC has an RT pastor but without internal problems realted to that.) I don't think RT was the primary issue, but his church covenant with an exhaustive series of "will not" statements, including certain activities and sale or use of alcoholic beverages.
Apparently, the staff was behind the pastor, who let the church vote on adopting the package deal, which each member would, then, be required to sign. The vote was overwhelmingly against the proposal and the staff all resigned.
If you look at their current staff page, only two secretaries are listed.
LINK
The former pastor has actually started a new church with members willing to go along with his list of standards.
What strange times...
I finally got a copy of the document in question. It essentially sought to give the pastors/elders sole authority in decisions regarding spending, chosing/dismissing teachers that don't agree 100% with them, and even who counts the money after collections. In short, the pastors/elders sought dictatorial powers without any futher consent from the membership.
In a long established Southern Baptist Church, that just isn't going to happen.
As far as signing a list of "standards," I have a problem with that because I came from a Free Will Baptist background and their lists of standards included such things as attire in and away from church (things like no pants on a woman, ever) and even one's interpretation of certain issues (Jesus never made or drank alcoholic wine and to do so is sin). The lists became exhaustive and left absolutely no room for matters of conscience.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/26/2009 9:16:07 AM
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Reba
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Reba, I've taught Music and 4th grade Language Arts/Reading. Last year, I started teaching K-5 Gifted and Talented students. All of my teaching has been in the public school setting, which needs Christians to counteract the secular influence.
Wow what an awesome responcibilty, teaching kids. From what i have read your students will be blessed.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/27/2009 11:36:55 PM
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What role does "evangelism" play in Reformed theology?
Paul preached to everyone while knowing it would be foolishness to some, a stumblingblock to others, yet to those CALLED the power and wisdom of God... Preaching is the means to draw out the elect from the world...
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/27/2009 11:38:06 PM
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Hello Ms. monkey! Been so long my coffee is COLD!
Here's a warmer for you! :) My modem crashed last week, and the new one arrived just last night. Add the new school year starting...been busy. I hope you've been doing well.
Don't MONKEY with your new modem!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/28/2009 6:32:48 PM
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shemaromans
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Wow what an awesome responcibilty, teaching kids. From what i have read your students will be blessed.
Thank you, Reba. That's very kind of you. Often, though, I think it's the other way around. With all of the mandates and bureaucracy headaches, it's the kids that make the job worthwhile.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/28/2009 6:34:23 PM
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shemaromans
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Hello Ms. monkey! Been so long my coffee is COLD!
Here's a warmer for you! :) My modem crashed last week, and the new one arrived just last night. Add the new school year starting...been busy. I hope you've been doing well.
Don't MONKEY with your new modem!
LOL! I'm naming it Cornelius...or maybe Lydia. That way I won't have to pray for its performance. It will want to please all on its own. :)
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/31/2009 1:09:35 PM
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I cannot recall meeting anyone that spent serious time in the Reformed camp switching to the Armin persuasion, but there are a lot us that have become convinced to move in the other direction. I wonder if that switch in position was as painful for others as it was for me.
As painful as admitting you have been wrong for however many years,
that's how painful it is.
But I think a repentant heart seeking Truth can leave the deception
behind very easily.
The pain comes from those around you.
Some of my close friends have distanced themselves from me after my conversion.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/31/2009 2:06:02 PM
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I was talking with a friend yesterday about a split in a local Baptist church where the pastor & staff all resigned and took half the church with them to form another one. He said that he thought, "The problem was that the ministers were all Calvinists!"
I tried to explain that Calvinism wasn't the cause of the breakup and that Calvinists aren't the wicked lot that some Baptists want to make them out to be, giving him some examples like Spurgeon and sharing that OUR pastor considers his theology to be Reformed but is low key about it.
The friend didn't seemed very convinced, but he seemed to be thinking it over.
I think the biggest problem Baptists have with RT is the notion that it's all hyper. Oddly, and as I shared with my friend, Southern Baptists were once 5 Pointers. But their disdain for systematic theology has led most to have an inconsistent hodge-podge of different ideas picked up from any "religious" source they are exposed to.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 8/31/2009 5:46:20 PM
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But their disdain for systematic theology has led most to have an inconsistent hodge-podge of different ideas picked up from any "religious" source they are exposed to.
This is so true.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 9/1/2009 8:04:19 AM
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But their disdain for systematic theology has led most to have an inconsistent hodge-podge of different ideas picked up from any "religious" source they are exposed to.
This is so true.
Very sadly true, sez I who are one.
Last Sunday I made an appeal to our congregation that our music needed to be scriptural in its lyrics.
A precious member of our church got up to sing and muttered "I don't know if this is scriptural". She proceeded to sing two songs that had several phrases straight from scripture in them.
And it dawned on me...these people are going to think they can't sing anything because they don't know what is IN scripture so that they can sing it.
*sigh*.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 9/1/2009 8:37:50 AM
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Reba
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What does "scriptural in its lyrics" mean to you?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 9/1/2009 10:58:22 AM
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What does "scriptural in its lyrics" mean to you?
For us...it's taking the "I" out of the songs along with the self-focus of what God can do for me and instead, it's focused on God, Jesus, Holy Spirit and the Cross in thanksgiving and honor.
I dunno if that's how others do it, but that's what we do. I mean we still have awesome music and such, and yes...we do a few modern day praise songs like Mighty To Save - a personal favorite of mine. 
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 9/1/2009 12:01:16 PM
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What does "scriptural in its lyrics" mean to you?
For us...it's taking the "I" out of the songs along with the self-focus of what God can do for me and instead, it's focused on God, Jesus, Holy Spirit and the Cross in thanksgiving and honor.
I dunno if that's how others do it, but that's what we do. I mean we still have awesome music and such, and yes...we do a few modern day praise songs like Mighty To Save - a personal favorite of mine.
Scripturally, "Psalms, Hymns, and Spiritual songs."
I honestly don't mind songs with "I" in them as long as they focus on Christ and His redeeming love and are not the "Jesus is my bearded girlfriend" type of songs.
Not all new songs are the "bearded girlfriend" type. There are some that are rich in Scripture and theology. Sovereign Grace puts out quite a few. And Vineyard worship has one fantastic CD entitled, "Holy". Chris Tomlin as a few songs with depth to them as well.
I agree, I love the song, "Mighty to save." I also love the song by Delirious, "Majesty." Love as well the song by Leeland, "Carried to the table."
The hymn that I have been humming a lot lately is, "Come thou fount of many blessing."
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 9/1/2009 5:09:58 PM
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doinkdom
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The hymn that I have been humming a lot lately is, "Come thou fount of many blessing."
We sang that last week!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 9/1/2009 10:08:38 PM
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Do you guys sing every verse in a hymn? We do. I don't think I've ever been in a church beofre that sang all the verses to every hymn. I'm loving it.
Doin, that's one of my favorites.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 9/2/2009 8:38:51 AM
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ShallbeRebuilt
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What does "scriptural in its lyrics" mean to you?
Contains scripture, rewords scripture (to fit music), is based upon doctrine in a clear and understandable way, explains doctrine or scripture.
Plenty of scriptures use "I" so although I prefer a song have less of that, I am not opposed to it.
For example:
"In The Garden" is not scriptural. Neither is "Beulah Land" or "I'm So Glad I'm a Part Of the Family of God" (favorites at our aging church).
"Immortal, Invisible", "Tell Me The Srory of Jesus", "Blessed Assurance", and even "Because He Lives" would all qualify in my mind as scriptural.
Obviously "Mighty To Save" and others that have already been mentioned would pass.
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