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RE: Israel in the News - 6/28/2009 6:00:21 PM
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Bridgette Gabriel is a racist hater of peace. Nothing good comes out of her mouth.
Nice... This coming from someone who pitches a hissy fit whenever he decides someone is accusing him of being (to paraphrase your own language) "an anti-semitic hater of Israel". Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!  
Any proof other than just putting your 2 cents in with slander as you always do? 
What additional "proof" do I need beyond the content of your own posts? You're the one who called her a "racist hater of peace" based entirely on your own apparent opinion that anyone who tells the truth about Islam in general and radical Islam in particular is racist and hates Muslims.
As far as "slander" goes... look who's talking. You do a pretty consistant job of accusing all of us who don't agree with your PLO/Hamas (aka the "Palestinian Authority" by any other name) apologetics and Replacement Theology of being followers of the more nutty wing of the Christian Zionist and Dispensationalist camps... How many times have you made blanket accusations against us of being blind followers of Hagee and others like him, and only getting our ideas and information from WND, etc.?
BTW... I didn't "slander" you in any event. I didn't call you "anti-semitic", I said you pitch a hissy fit when you imagine someone to have accused you of it (I seem to remember an entire post awhile back written in huge capitol letters "e-screaming" that someone was accusing you of being one).
Honestly, the content of your posts speaks for itself. That you're anti-Israel is pretty clear from almost your entire contribution to this this thread, as well as others. As to whether or not it goes deeper than that... well, that's another question, and people can draw their own conclusions from what you write.
If you really want to throw the word "slander" around, your take on Bridgette Gabriel is a pretty good example of that. Your dislike of her seems based (going by your response to Marcus) on the fact that her life experiences contradict your biased warm-fuzzy view of Islam and Muslims. And, of course, your need to "slander" Christian Zionists who chose to believe her experience over your warm-fuzzy's is typical as well.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/29/2009 5:52:13 AM
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Bridgette Gabriel is a racist hater of peace. Nothing good comes out of her mouth.
Nice... This coming from someone who pitches a hissy fit whenever he decides someone is accusing him of being (to paraphrase your own language) "an anti-semitic hater of Israel". Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Any proof other than just putting your 2 cents in with slander as you always do?
What additional "proof" do I need beyond the content of your own posts? You're the one who called her a "racist hater of peace" based entirely on your own apparent opinion that anyone who tells the truth about Islam in general and radical Islam in particular is racist and hates Muslims.
As far as "slander" goes... look who's talking. You do a pretty consistant job of accusing all of us who don't agree with your PLO/Hamas (aka the "Palestinian Authority" by any other name) apologetics and Replacement Theology of being followers of the more nutty wing of the Christian Zionist and Dispensationalist camps... How many times have you made blanket accusations against us of being blind followers of Hagee and others like him, and only getting our ideas and information from WND, etc.?
BTW... I didn't "slander" you in any event. I didn't call you "anti-semitic", I said you pitch a hissy fit when you imagine someone to have accused you of it (I seem to remember an entire post awhile back written in huge capitol letters "e-screaming" that someone was accusing you of being one).
Honestly, the content of your posts speaks for itself. That you're anti-Israel is pretty clear from almost your entire contribution to this this thread, as well as others. As to whether or not it goes deeper than that... well, that's another question, and people can draw their own conclusions from what you write.
If you really want to throw the word "slander" around, your take on Bridgette Gabriel is a pretty good example of that. Your dislike of her seems based (going by your response to Marcus) on the fact that her life experiences contradict your biased warm-fuzzy view of Islam and Muslims. And, of course, your need to "slander" Christian Zionists who chose to believe her experience over your warm-fuzzy's is typical as well.
Proof?
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/29/2009 9:30:31 AM
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Israel approves 50 new settler homes in West Bank
Israel has said it has approved the construction of 50 homes in a settlement in the occupied West Bank, despite weeks of pressure from its closest ally Washington.
"The defence ministry has approved the construction of 50 housing units in the settlement of Adam," a statement said.
The decision to build the houses in Adam, north of Jerusalem, came despite repeated US calls for Israel to halt all settlement activity in order to relaunch peace talks with the Palestinians.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/29/2009 12:09:32 PM
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Israel approves 50 new settler homes in West Bank
Yeah horrors, they're gonna build 50 out of 1500 planned houses from a 12 year old plan that everyone already knew existed, in a town that's existed for decades, for the expressed purpose of having somewhere decent to relocated the soon to be displaced residents of an illegal settlement near Ramallah.
An article about it from the Jerusalem Post in case anyone's interested... State OKs 50 new Adam housing units.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/29/2009 2:02:50 PM
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Israel approves 50 new settler homes in West Bank
Yeah horrors, they're gonna build 50 out of 1500 planned houses from a 12 year old plan that everyone already knew existed, in a town that's existed for decades, for the expressed purpose of having somewhere decent to relocated the soon to be displaced residents of an illegal settlement near Ramallah.
An article about it from the Jerusalem Post in case anyone's interested... State OKs 50 new Adam housing units.
Trading one illegal settlement for another. It's still in the West Bank.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/29/2009 2:06:13 PM
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Atleast Theo has not fallin in with the predominant Muslim view of "push all Jews into the sea". Theo just says "force all jews out of certian parts of the Holy Land". Even from settlements that have existed since BEFORE the founding of the current naiton of Israel. But who cares about them. That land should be the Muslims, not the Jews who have been living there for decades!
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/29/2009 2:11:06 PM
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Jun 25, 2009 13:34 | Updated Jun 27, 2009 8:32
An inside ally
By DEENA YELLIN
As Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu faces increasing international pressure to make concessions for peace, he has allies in some unlikely corners who are begging him to turn a deaf ear to any proposals.
These allies are Arab supporters of Israel who say they have an insider's knowledge of the Arab mentality that the Western world has yet to grasp. These self-described Arab Zionists assert that the only way for there to be peace in the Middle East is if there is a strong Israel.
Among the most vocal is Brigitte Gabriel, a Lebanese Christian who lectures worldwide about Israel's valiant quest to preserve the ideals of democracy, authors best-selling books defending its right to exist and launched an organization devoted to warning the West against the dangers of Islamic fundamentalists.
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Why does this article not mention the massacre of the Muslims at Sabla, ordered by Arial Sharon? That happened in Lebanon. Why does Gabriel herself not admit to it? You see, there are inconsistencies in what she says happens and what really happens. She gives such a extreme view of what happened with her and her family that one has to wonder what really happen. I think the best view of what happened was given in Thomas Friedman's book, "From Beirut to Jerusalem". It is an excellent, unbiased reporting at street level of the Lebanese civil war. Btw, he's a Jewish-American who spent summers on Kibutz in Israel.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/29/2009 2:13:57 PM
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Atleast Theo has not fallin in with the predominant Muslim view of "push all Jews into the sea". Theo just says "force all jews out of certian parts of the Holy Land". Even from settlements that have existed since BEFORE the founding of the current naiton of Israel. But who cares about them. That land should be the Muslims, not the Jews who have been living there for decades!
I have never said anything of the sort.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/29/2009 8:48:50 PM
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Jun 25, 2009 13:34 | Updated Jun 27, 2009 8:32
An inside ally
By DEENA YELLIN
As Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu faces increasing international pressure to make concessions for peace, he has allies in some unlikely corners who are begging him to turn a deaf ear to any proposals.
These allies are Arab supporters of Israel who say they have an insider's knowledge of the Arab mentality that the Western world has yet to grasp. These self-described Arab Zionists assert that the only way for there to be peace in the Middle East is if there is a strong Israel.
Among the most vocal is Brigitte Gabriel, a Lebanese Christian who lectures worldwide about Israel's valiant quest to preserve the ideals of democracy, authors best-selling books defending its right to exist and launched an organization devoted to warning the West against the dangers of Islamic fundamentalists.
Story Continues
Why does this article not mention the massacre of the Muslims at Sabla, ordered by Arial Sharon? That happened in Lebanon. Why does Gabriel herself not admit to it? You see, there are inconsistencies in what she says happens and what really happens. She gives such a extreme view of what happened with her and her family that one has to wonder what really happen. I think the best view of what happened was given in Thomas Friedman's book, "From Beirut to Jerusalem". It is an excellent, unbiased reporting at street level of the Lebanese civil war. Btw, he's a Jewish-American who spent summers on Kibutz in Israel.
I would hazard a guess that that wasn't what she was trying to expose.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/29/2009 8:58:56 PM
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Atleast Theo has not fallin in with the predominant Muslim view of "push all Jews into the sea". Theo just says "force all jews out of certian parts of the Holy Land". Even from settlements that have existed since BEFORE the founding of the current naiton of Israel. But who cares about them. That land should be the Muslims, not the Jews who have been living there for decades!
I have never said anything of the sort.
The Arabs have been destroying Hebrew archeological sites. Falls in line with their position that no Hebrews were there or only Arabs were. Too bad this hits the papers so infrequently. The archeological groups try to raise attention but the MSM won't cover this at all.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/30/2009 1:43:23 AM
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Atleast Theo has not fallin in with the predominant Muslim view of "push all Jews into the sea". Theo just says "force all jews out of certian parts of the Holy Land". Even from settlements that have existed since BEFORE the founding of the current naiton of Israel. But who cares about them. That land should be the Muslims, not the Jews who have been living there for decades!
I have never said anything of the sort.
Is or is it not true that your position is that all Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal...If they are illegal what should be done about them...Kicked out? Again, I state that kicking out people who have been on that land, who have handed it down from generation to generation since BEFORE the founding of Israel, is just wrong. But that is what you appear to want, and that DEFIANTLY is what the Palestinian Muslims want.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/30/2009 5:39:39 AM
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Atleast Theo has not fallin in with the predominant Muslim view of "push all Jews into the sea". Theo just says "force all jews out of certian parts of the Holy Land". Even from settlements that have existed since BEFORE the founding of the current naiton of Israel. But who cares about them. That land should be the Muslims, not the Jews who have been living there for decades!
I have never said anything of the sort.
Is or is it not true that your position is that all Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal...If they are illegal what should be done about them...Kicked out? Again, I state that kicking out people who have been on that land, who have handed it down from generation to generation since BEFORE the founding of Israel, is just wrong. But that is what you appear to want, and that DEFIANTLY is what the Palestinian Muslims want.
Nope, that is not my position and never has been my position.
Israeli settlements that have been built since 1967 are illegal based on the U.N. mandates. Those are the ones that should be dismantled. Those people have not been living there generation after generation. Those people purposely went there to build their property stolen from Arabs to purposely tick the Arabs off. The Israeli gov't has been known to send settlers into the West Bank to start illegal settlements.
That is my view. The Israeli gov't needs to own up to it's illegal actions. They need to be called to account for it. The Palestinians have been called to account many times.
We want them to recognize Israel's right to exist. They have, in various sorts of way, but nobody seems to recognize it for some reason. I'm not sure what more Israel and the West wants. It is time for Israel to stop acting like a bully and to start acting like a man and sit down and talk with the Palestinians instead of making impossible demands.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/30/2009 10:06:19 AM
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Israeli Tolerance?
Court declares Jew for Jesus 'kosher'
A Jew for Jesus who demanded kashrut supervision from the Chief Rabbinate won a Supreme Court decision on Monday likely to spark another confrontation between the nation's highest legal arbiter and the Orthodox rabbinical establishment.
In its verdict, based on a precedent that found belly-dancing to be unrelated to kosher food, the court ruled that an Ashdod baker's belief that Jesus was the messiah did not make her baked goods unkosher.
Therefore, argued the court, the Chief Rabbinate could not demand more stringent kashrut supervision arrangements than for any other baker.
The Orthodox rabbinate reacted negatively.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/30/2009 10:09:11 AM
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JPOST - IDF doubts credibility of Gaza report
The IDF on Tuesday questioned the credibility of a Human Rights Watch report which claimed that Israeli attacks with guided missiles fired from aerial drones killed civilians during Operation Cast Lead in Gaza earlier this year.
The 39-page report, "Precisely Wrong: Gaza Civilians Killed by Israeli Drone-Launched Missiles," detailed six incidents resulting in 29 civilian deaths, among them eight children, and found that the IDF failed to take all feasible precautions to verify that these targets were combatants, as required by the laws of war, or that they failed to distinguish between combatants and civilians.
"Drone operators can clearly see their targets on the ground and also divert their missiles after launch," said Marc Garlasco, senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch and co-author of the report. "Given these capabilities, Israel needs to explain why these civilian deaths took place." "Precisely Wrong" is based on field research in Gaza, where Human Rights Watch researchers interviewed victims and witnesses, examined attack sites, collected missile debris for testing, and reviewed medical records.
Al Jazeera - Israel blamed over drone attacks
Human Rights Watch (HRW) has alleged that Israeli operators failed to verify targets of drone aircraft at least six times during the Gaza war, firing missiles that killed at least 29 Palestinians.
In a 39-page report released on Tuesday, the New York-based group said that despite having advanced surveillance equipment, drone operators failed to exercise proper caution "as required by the laws of war" in verifying their targets.
Israel has a fleet of spy drones, also known as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), but does not discuss whether some of these aircraft also carry weapons.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/30/2009 11:31:46 AM
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Israel stops aid ship to Gaza
The Israeli navy has intercepted an aid ship on its way to Gaza, pro-Palestinian activists say.
Members of the US-based Free Gaza Movement, who were on board the boat, said on Tuesday the Israeli navy threatened to open fire unless they turned the boat around.
The Israeli government denied any threats were made, or that any shots were fired, but said they warned the boat not to cross into Gazan waters.
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RE: Israel in the News - 6/30/2009 11:34:01 AM
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IDF Navy intercepts Gaza-bound ship
An IDF Navy unit took over a ship that was en route to breaking the naval closure on the Gaza Strip, the IDF said in a statement Tuesday afternoon.
Overnight, Navy troops spotted a vessel with a Greek flag, which had embarked on a journey from the port of Larnaca in Cyprus towards the Gaza Strip.
After the Navy contacted the ship and realized it was headed to Gaza, the troops clarified that the Strip is under naval closure and that because of security concerns it will not be allowed to reach the beach of Gaza.
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/3/2009 7:09:31 AM
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Israel Evicts Palestinians From Homes
JERUSALEM — Israeli security forces evicted two Palestinian families from their homes in East Jerusalem early Sunday after the families lost a long legal battle to remain in the contested properties, furthering a plan for Jewish settlement in the predominantly Arab area.
The move, days after senior American officials visited Jerusalem to press for a settlement freeze, prompted sharp international criticism.
Later Sunday, the Israeli police said they had evidence to support indicting Israel’s foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, on charges including taking bribes, laundering money and committing fraud.
The article goes on to say that Jewish nationalists moved into the apts. immediately after the Palestinians were evicted.
I hope they do find Lieberman guilty. He is such a blockade to peace in the region.
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RE: Israel in the News - 8/3/2009 10:43:58 AM
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H. R. 3412
To recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, to relocate to Jerusalem the United States Embassy in Israel, and for other purposes. This Act may be cited as the `Jerusalem Embassy and Recognition Act of 2009'.
It is the policy of the United States to recognize Jerusalem as the undivided capital of the State of Israel, both de jure and de facto.
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RE: Israel in the News - 9/4/2009 7:25:42 AM
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Hundreds of Palestinian olive trees destroyed in Ramallah area
Hundreds of Palestinian olive trees in the Ramallah area were destroyed Friday in an attack police say was carried out by settlers in protest of reported plans to freeze settlement construction.
No arrests have been made.
my comment: arrests are never made of settlers... 
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RE: Israel in the News - 9/4/2009 7:29:19 AM
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Erekat: Netanyahu's W. Bank plan 'absolutely unacceptable'
Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat on Friday blasted Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's intention to approve plans for hundreds of new housing units in the West Bank before considering a brief settlement construction moratorium, saying that "the only thing suspended by this announcement will be the peace process."
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A senior source in the Prime Minister's Office told The Jerusalem Post Thursday night that the new construction would be over and beyond the 2,500 units that are already in various stages of construction in the territories, and which will continue to be built. The source also stressed that the new housing was in the West Bank rather than in Jerusalem.
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Speaking in Paris on Thursday, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas reiterated that once there was a settlement freeze, the PA would be willing to resume peace talks.
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RE: Israel in the News - 9/5/2009 3:36:10 PM
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Erekat: Netanyahu's W. Bank plan 'absolutely unacceptable'
Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat on Friday blasted Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's intention to approve plans for hundreds of new housing units in the West Bank before considering a brief settlement construction moratorium, saying that "the only thing suspended by this announcement will be the peace process."
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A senior source in the Prime Minister's Office told The Jerusalem Post Thursday night that the new construction would be over and beyond the 2,500 units that are already in various stages of construction in the territories, and which will continue to be built. The source also stressed that the new housing was in the West Bank rather than in Jerusalem.
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Speaking in Paris on Thursday, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas reiterated that once there was a settlement freeze, the PA would be willing to resume peace talks.
Ah yes, peace, peace but there is not peace.
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RE: Israel in the News - 11/3/2009 2:57:34 PM
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Settlers evict woman from disputed east Jerusalem home
Jewish settlers forced their way into a disputed house in east Jerusalem today, using hired guards to evict an elderly Palestinian woman and throwing out other residents' belongings.
The settlers displayed what they said was a court order granting them ownership of the single-storey building. Human rights groups said the takeover was part of a push by Jewish settlers to expand their presence in the traditionally Arab sector.
Palestinians and Israeli supporters clashed with the settlers after they took over the building, and police intervened to restore calm. One Israeli protester was arrested, officials said.
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RE: Israel in the News - 11/3/2009 5:03:17 PM
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Settlers evict woman from disputed east Jerusalem home
Jewish settlers forced their way into a disputed house in east Jerusalem today, using hired guards to evict an elderly Palestinian woman and throwing out other residents' belongings.
The settlers displayed what they said was a court order granting them ownership of the single-storey building. Human rights groups said the takeover was part of a push by Jewish settlers to expand their presence in the traditionally Arab sector.
Palestinians and Israeli supporters clashed with the settlers after they took over the building, and police intervened to restore calm. One Israeli protester was arrested, officials said.
Well, given that they had been basically squatting on land that didn't belong to them for almost a decade... The house and around 25-30 others have been the subject of dispute for around 30 years. The land was owned (they have deeds dating to when the Land was under Ottoman control prior to WW 1) by Sephardic Jews prior to the War of Independance, and they've been attempting to reclaim it since the Liberation of the Old City in 1967. The al-Kurd family had for some time been in violation of the terms of an Israeli court decision from the 1970's allowing them to lease the land from the Sephardim who owned it, and the new court ruling ordered them evicted.
THE REST OF THE STORY (as reported by HaAretz)
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Settlers evict woman from disputed east Jerusalem home
Jewish settlers forced their way into a disputed house in east Jerusalem today, using hired guards to evict an elderly Palestinian woman and throwing out other residents' belongings.
The settlers displayed what they said was a court order granting them ownership of the single-storey building. Human rights groups said the takeover was part of a push by Jewish settlers to expand their presence in the traditionally Arab sector.
Palestinians and Israeli supporters clashed with the settlers after they took over the building, and police intervened to restore calm. One Israeli protester was arrested, officials said.
Well, given that they had been basically squatting on land that didn't belong to them for almost a decade... The house and around 25-30 others have been the subject of dispute for around 30 years. The land was owned (they have deeds dating to when the Land was under Ottoman control prior to WW 1) by Sephardic Jews prior to the War of Independance, and they've been attempting to reclaim it since the Liberation of the Old City in 1967. The al-Kurd family had for some time been in violation of the terms of an Israeli court decision from the 1970's allowing them to lease the land from the Sephardim who owned it, and the new court ruling ordered them evicted.
THE REST OF THE STORY (as reported by HaAretz)
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The court decided after long deliberation, that the Sephardic committee's claim to ownership is legal, but the Palestinian residents had also received a protected residency status which forced the Jews to keep them on as tenants.
Since then the committee filed several claims stating that the Palestinians had breached the lease with their new landlords, and demanded that they be evacuated from the premises.
he said, she said...
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RE: Israel in the News - 11/15/2009 3:08:55 PM
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Lets remember the Terms of Service as we post, especially TOS 6 and 9.
6. You will not harass, threaten, embarrass or distress members, either in the community itself or via personal email, phone, physical mail or in person. You will not engage in name-calling or personal attacks in the course of discussion or debate. You will not post inflammatory remarks simply for the purpose for evoking reaction or starting fights with other community members (Often referred to as "trolling"). Overall, promoting a spirit of divisiveness in the chat and forums community will not be tolerated.
- Attacking the character or motives of someone who differs with your view or denying that he or she is a Christian is unacceptable.
9. You will not disrupt the normal flow of dialog in the community or act in a manner that negatively affects other members, including and perhaps especially in the defense of Christianity, in offering unwelcome spiritual counsel, or in debating doctrinal issues.
Sincerely
Kath
Volunteer Assistant Administrator
Please do not reply to this message within the Community.
Please do not send me PMs regarding this message as I am unable to discuss it further.
Please email Community@salemwebnetwork.com with questions, comments, or concerns allowing time for a response during normal business hours.
Posts which ignore this warning will be removed without warning and may result in other action in accordance with the Terms of Service.
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