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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 4:39:09 PM
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And the "dupe" of Replacement Theology continues to be a part of the filter we look at things even if we are
unaware of it.
Why don't you start a thread on this? Nobody seems to understand in either camp that the only thing that replaced literal Israel was the Body of Jesus Christ, and that we in turn are joined to Him, not the natural nation of Jews. Jesus is the only true servant and nation of God, and we who believe make up the multitude of that nation. Both Jew and Gentile alike must abandon their old standing before God and enter into the standing one has when they enter into the Body and nation of Christ.
Amen, Spongie.
yeah, beloved brethren, lets have that and dispensationalism, post, (pre and General)Mills and such in somewhere else. It is exiting topic, i even promise to stay away and let the titans fight, but Keep the Law? is not quite suitable for that .
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 4:49:40 PM
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.... but the real-time truth is it’s of little value to talk to anyone without real life testimony, a covenant so to speak!
And thus far as I can tell, you know your scriptures very well for lets say…the HS threads,
But I personally can’t find a witness in your offerings that you have experienced or have the knowledge of how to get the principals in the OT to work, or have seen them work, otherwise one would be offering by their testimony according to the scriptures rather than just scripture.
And real life testimony meaning…. on the lines that Jesus taught us in recognition of the Father…for example
11 Most assuredly, I say to you,
We speak what We know (scripture) and testify what We have seen (it being fulfilled), and you do not receive Our witness. =(Both together!)
Joh 5:31 - Show Context
"If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true
So you see it is of little value when there are those of us who seen the principals written in the books of the Bible come to pass from the promises made from God the Father, and then have others say they do not exist…..personally that is the reason why I have not answered many questions,
Well, Gypsi dear if i knew what's in your head already i wouldnt be asking questions. If i do that means i dont know what you thinking as of yet. Elaborate please.
All that sounds clandestine so far ... what is precisly the real life testimony and covenant do you mean that Non-lit torah camp lacks?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 4:53:11 PM
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lets have that and dispensationalism, post, (pre and General)Mills and such
These are all part components that make up our "filters", or, "glasses."
I know, we are by law have to stick to what spongy wants to talk about.
Evident by the way he derails others statements. Not dialogue, just determined
to stick to what he wants to talk about from the viewpoint he wants.
I apologize for the personal nature. Not intentional.
Body issues have been discussed and answered, but that's not good enough.
We have to bring the dog back to the same tail.
So, I'll just do what I do best. hmmmmm, if I could remember what that is. lol.
literal Israel replaced by Body of Christ.
You can't see the filter in that statement?
There is no such thing as the "church" as we know it in the west.
There is the "Commonwealth of Israel (Jacob)"
Jews and Gentiles alike have to enter through the same door (Yeshua).
As long as the law controversy remains on the "means of salvation"
there's nothing to discuss about the "law."
I agree with spongy that the "Messianic Movement" as in the west is another denomination,
Gentile Jew-wanna-bes. But to disregard the Torah and try to keep others from seeing it
for what it is is something else entirely.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 5:09:54 PM
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Oh, Lapie, i am impressed with your energy!
I would have bought a goat, have it rotate it's feeding pastures b/n 3 lawns you have to cut and get 1)savings on gas 2)free fertilizer 3) BBQ it for hannukah. But that is a lazy jew solution. You keep doing it and see it as perfect exercise routine!
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Body issues have been discussed and answered, but that's not good enough.
Well ...nobody answered:
Why laws eased up and brought down to just regular common sense cleanness rules? Almost everyone obeys those, even atheists..
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we have to bring the dog back to the same tail.
So, I'll just do what I do best. hmmmmm, if I could remember what that is. lol.
literal Israel replaced by Body of Christ.
You can't see the filter in that statement?
There is no such thing as the "church" as we know it in the west.
There is the "Commonwealth of Israel (Jacob)"
Jews and Gentiles alike have to enter through the same door (Yeshua).
As long as the law controversy remains on the "means of salvation"
there's nothing to discuss about the "law."
I agree with spongy that the "Messianic Movement" as in the west is another denomination,
Gentile Jew-wanna-bes. But to disregard the Torah and try to keep others from seeing it
for what it is something else entirely.
Dear, whatever you guys say, as long as I see something that has learning value for me. What else are you reffering to?
I think we all are safely off the "Law as the means of salvation" Horse . So far BJ and L kindly told me that spirit part of the Law is more important then the letter. I gladly agree. They gave me common sense /medical/other benefits of the Laws - sure, i agree with those. What else is there to it?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 5:49:43 PM
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Oh come on, Sponge, even you know that the Apostle John spoke of "the spirit of anti-Messiah has already at work?" You let that ne slip!??? 
In my opinion, it was never about salvation by doing the law. That was you guys' hang up.
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Almost everyone obeys those, even atheists..
That of course was after devastating plagues in earlier times ran rampange in countries destroying countless lives. I know it is hard to believe, but our God is a spiritual and PRACTICAL God!! The Torah is SPIRITUAL and PRACTICAL as well.
SB, what you don't seem to understand is that the New Covenant is with "house of Israel and house of Judah"
none else. Those who aren't in these to houses and come to faith through Messiah are "grafted in" to the family of God. This is what Lapidoth was trying to say. It's not Church...Israel. We are one house...Israel. Gotta go.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 6:03:14 PM
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lets have that and dispensationalism, post, (pre and General)Mills and such
These are all part components that make up our "filters", or, "glasses."
I know, we are by law have to stick to what spongy wants to talk about.
Evident by the way he derails others statements. Not dialogue, just determined
to stick to what he wants to talk about from the viewpoint he wants.
I apologize for the personal nature. Not intentional.
Body issues have been discussed and answered, but that's not good enough.
We have to bring the dog back to the same tail.
So, I'll just do what I do best. hmmmmm, if I could remember what that is. lol.
literal Israel replaced by Body of Christ.
You can't see the filter in that statement?
There is no such thing as the "church" as we know it in the west.
There is the "Commonwealth of Israel (Jacob)"
Jews and Gentiles alike have to enter through the same door (Yeshua).
As long as the law controversy remains on the "means of salvation"
there's nothing to discuss about the "law."
I agree with spongy that the "Messianic Movement" as in the west is another denomination,
Gentile Jew-wanna-bes. But to disregard the Torah and try to keep others from seeing it
for what it is is something else entirely.
Lapie, you're way too defensive (personally speaking, I mean). I really meant 'why don't you open up another thread about that?'. It's interesting and deserves it's own thread. And it will attract other forum participants who are wise enough not to touch this folder but who have much to say regarding the subject of 'replacement' theology.
Jesus is the fulfillment of everything that God intended to do through the natural nation of Israel but couldn't. Remember when God was so disgusted with the Israelites that He wanted to destroy them and instead raise Moses himself up into a nation. This was a foreshadow of the very thing God has done in the person of Jesus Christ. And just as Moses interceded for the Israelites, so Jesus intercedes to the Father on our behalf so that we too will not be destroyed but will instead participate in the promises and plans of God to build a nation of people all His own from one obedient person.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 6:26:11 PM
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Oh come on, Sponge, even you know that the Apostle John spoke of "the spirit of anti-Messiah has already at work?" You let that ne slip!???
I knew this was a possible response to what I posted (I really didn't think you'd think of it though), and was hoping to use it to lead back to Lapie's post a few days ago. Lapie reminds us that Constantine is the one who changed the times and dates, etc. in accordance with Daniel's prophecy. How can that not make him the ant-christ? That puts us post anti-christ by 1700 years and completely out of Paul's discourse on the subject in Thessalonians. Even you guys probably have to adjust your theology boat loads to accomodate the belief that anti-christ has come and gone. Can we make Constantine fit Daniel's prophecy of the anti-christ?
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In my opinion, it was never about salvation by doing the law. That was you guys' hang up.
It's right there in Torah--righteousness was to be secured through the law. Of course we know that righteousness through the law is only hypothetical, but nevertheless, that's how God said to be righteous and acceptable to Him. And you were to be cutoff if you didn't get circumcised, or obey the Sabbath, and so on. Could a person expect to be 'saved' (in every understanding we know that meant under the law) if they were not circumcised, and did not appear before the Lord 3 times a year?
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SB, what you don't seem to understand is that the New Covenant is with "house of Israel and house of Judah"
none else. Those who aren't in these to houses and come to faith through Messiah are "grafted in" to the family of God. This is what Lapidoth was trying to say. It's not Church...Israel. We are one house...Israel. Gotta go.
The New Israel, the New Jerusalem, the New City of God, the New Nation and People of God...Jesus Christ and all His members filled with His Spirit. Natural lineage (like circumcision) means nothing in regard to taking one's place in that new nation.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 8:50:28 PM
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Well folks, I think it's clear the Father's Day cease fire has ended. Back to your battle stations!
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 9:31:01 PM
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Well folks, I think it's clear the Father's Day cease fire has ended. Back to your battle stations!
ROFLOL!!
I'll keep this very brief, before one obeys God in the keeping of His word, He must be in relationship with Him. Salvation or maybe I should say accepting YAH first then keep His word.
Now there!! No big time bazookas fired!! LOL
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 7:09:22 AM
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Well folks, I think it's clear the Father's Day cease fire has ended. Back to your battle stations!
ROFLOL!!
I'll keep this very brief, before one obeys God in the keeping of His word, He must be in relationship with Him. Salvation or maybe I should say accepting YAH first then keep His word.
Now there!! No big time bazookas fired!! LOL
I know this conversation is between the major players,the major hitters if you will,and if I weren't so lazy,I could just go back and read through all 175 pages to find the answer to my upcoming question.
So forgive my intrusion,and excuse my ignorance/laziness.For the law keepers,I think I understand you to mean or suggest,that the bible is best understood as Hebraic or Hebrew understanding,as such the Torah,and religious festivals/ordinances continues to have profound meaning and validity in the life of a believer and as such is not to be taken likely or as an aside, to be tossed away if you will.
While none of you, I believe, espouse law keeping as essential for salvation,you all confirm law keeping/observation as a necessary component of embracing YAH.That to be a Christian,is an embracing of all the fundamental roots of the faith.
That those of us who do not follow after YAH in this fashion,have sort of created a hybrid religion,that truly no longer resembles the essence of the original faith,instead in many respects is steeped in religious tradition,often times to the point of being dangerously close to Pagan influence.
Being that as it is,if one were to choose to follow the traditions of men/modern day religion vs following after YAH in the ways that have been established throughout it's history and arguably will be restored to it's original position of prominence for all Saints throughout the millennium.
One should choose to couple faith through grace,with a respectful observation of the ways and traditions God has established through Torah,and arguably has never intended to be replaced to begin with,especially not with mans religion/pagan influenced practices.
I want to know if I hear what is intended to be communicated by the law keepers of this thread.In other words if you were selling/offering me a meal that at first glance I might be inclined to reject.What would you want me to know about this offering that might allow me to at least make an informed decision about rejecting it,instead of rejecting out right?
I really want to know what is at the heart of this discussion,from your point of view.Please indulge.Thanks Steven
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 8:44:07 AM
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I think you hit it pretty much. I'll challenge you to do some history reseach. Read some of the works of Josephus, the early church fathers, even Tacitus, Bishop Marcion, Constantine, Martin Luther... you will find that anti-Semitism for different reasons spread. You'll see where and why certain practices were introduced to the Christian faith and why some of the "Jewish stuff" was replaced or discarded.
I nor others would not want you or anyone to embrace what we are saying without studying it for yourself. When reading the NT keep in mind that the only canonized scriptures was the TaNaKH. Study James especially chapters 1:22-25; 2:8-26; 4:11-12. Torah living is really emphasized. Yahshua made a profound statement in John 5:45-47 when speaking to the religious leaders. He says, "Do not think that I will accuse you, even Moses in whom you trust. For had you believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of Me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe My words?"
In fact, you already walk in Torah in a lot of ways!! Believe it or not!
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 9:11:37 AM
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Thanks L Bolt and others if you care to respond.I really do want to make sure I understand the position correctly.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 9:15:44 AM
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I knew this was a possible response to what I posted (I really didn't think you'd think of it though), and was hoping to use it to lead back to Lapie's post a few days ago.
Come on, Spongie, I'm not totally Bible illiterate!
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 9:23:45 AM
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Sunofone, all I have to do is look at some of the thread topics...the Pope, worship statutes, Calvinism, Praying to Mary...and I see we have strayed alot from our roots
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 11:42:25 AM
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Thanks L Bolt and others if you care to respond.I really do want to make sure I understand the position correctly.
Your perception seems to be right on.
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everyone at one point in their life was most likely a catholic,
I remember one or two popes who said to leave the protestants alone,
they are still connected to us and they WILL come home. All we have to
do is be observant, we are coming "home." We as in the general church.
We have two ex-catholics in our group.
Both understand this concept.
One of their statements from the "mother church" point of view is,
"if you keep Christmass, you're a catholic."
it might take some meditation, but we have to conclude they are right.
In study of the pagan past and influence on the "church" you will find
that "keeping Sunday" as sabbath is submission to the catholic authority.
Just as "keeping Rabbinic traditions" is submission to their usurped authority.
Do we revert back to Judaism? No, that's the other extreme.
Do the Messianics have it right? No, there's still too much mixture in the
one's I have been associated with.
That's why it's so important to "study it out for ourselves."
The "working out our own salvation."
Yeshua died once and for all, but salvation is still an ongoing process.
He who endures to the end shall be saved.
And it's not by works. It's still by Grace.
But Grace doesn't give us license to "do it our way."
Understanding has already come to your house, so carry on. lol.
Those who "seek" will "find." We just have to have such a love of the truth that
we seek God's truth and not our own or another's. That too is a life-long
process.
We have to remember that it is "elements of truth" that draw us away from TRUTH.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 12:43:30 PM
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In my area, there is about 2 Messianic congregations that I know of, outside of my own fellowship I haven't been exposed to alot of people who believe like I do. Only on-line have I've in contact with other Messianic believers such as Lapidoth, Bluethread to name a few.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 12:47:36 PM
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In my area, there is about 2 Messianic congregations that I know of, outside of my own fellowship I haven't been exposed to alot of people who believe like I do. Only on-line have I've in contact with other Messianic believers such as Lapidoth, Bluethread to name a few.
Thanks L.
It's good to know there are a lot of "none of the above" crowd out there. lol.
Which trib camp are you in?
"none of the above."
Which law camp are you in?
"none of the above."
Which Scripture camp are you in?
That one. lol.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 12:52:13 PM
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I'm still learning a lot. I more of a post trib but I guess you can call me a "pan-out" person! LOL
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 1:07:47 PM
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I'm still learning a lot. I more of a post trib but I guess you can call me a "pan-out" person! LOL
In the trib camp, I am the "none of the above"
but because there has to be a label to communicate,
I fall in the Post-Trib camp somewhere. LOL.
But as you say, it will be the "pan-out" and ultimately
show we were ALL wrong on the trib-thingy.
Again, from the RT influence, etc.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 1:10:39 PM
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ORIGINAL: sunofone
Thanks L Bolt and others if you care to respond.I really do want to make sure I understand the position correctly.
Your perception seems to be right on.
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everyone at one point in their life was most likely a catholic,
I remember one or two popes who said to leave the protestants alone,
they are still connected to us and they WILL come home. All we have to
do is be observant, we are coming "home." We as in the general church.
We have two ex-catholics in our group.
Both understand this concept.
One of their statements from the "mother church" point of view is,
"if you keep Christmass, you're a catholic."
it might take some meditation, but we have to conclude they are right.
In study of the pagan past and influence on the "church" you will find
that "keeping Sunday" as sabbath is submission to the catholic authority.
Just as "keeping Rabbinic traditions" is submission to their usurped authority.
Do we revert back to Judaism? No, that's the other extreme.
Do the Messianics have it right? No, there's still too much mixture in the
one's I have been associated with.
That's why it's so important to "study it out for ourselves."
The "working out our own salvation."
Yeshua died once and for all, but salvation is still an ongoing process.
He who endures to the end shall be saved.
And it's not by works. It's still by Grace.
But Grace doesn't give us license to "do it our way."
Understanding has already come to your house, so carry on. lol.
Those who "seek" will "find." We just have to have such a love of the truth that
we seek God's truth and not our own or another's. That too is a life-long
process.
We have to remember that it is "elements of truth" that draw us away from TRUTH.
Well done bro...
LG
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 1:27:37 PM
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Well done bro...
LG
As Buckwheat would say? tanx
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 3:15:23 PM
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Well something is going on here, history is repeating itself. Over and over again. The water is trying to gush out but others keep trying to plug the damn. Most of the time this is a good thing. The old guard standing watch to protect the faith as the Pharisees did. The Jehovah witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, Charismatic movement, Pentecostal movements and other such movements have caused the old guard to stand at attention and defend the faith against heresies and false gospels. This is a good thing. However, the old guard have not succeeded in overthrowing or hinder the spreading of these movements or their teachings. Now here comes these new upstarts that challenge the integrity and wholeness of the christian religious institution of beliefs, doctrines, and traditions that have existed hundreds of years. The Catholics at one time stood in the seat of the old guard. Then the former supposed usurper called the mainstream protestant movement took their share of the seat. Along came new upstarts called pentecostals, charismatics, and others who have assumed a share of the watchman's seat. Now we have these spiritual torah freaks who want to be called Spiritual Israel. They say that they are a part of the old guards family, but the one seating in the watchman chair does not agree. So, we have some new upstarters who present a possible threat to the traditions of the old guard. Haven't this play been ran multiple times in the same game of old resisting the new. Gameliel said it best, "Let us watch and see if it is of God." This forum does not want to give the related multiple subjests space for discussion. It stays sterilized and neatly tucked away from many curious eyes..........
Acts 5:34-39
34Then one in the council stood up, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law held in respect by all the people, and commanded them to put the apostles outside for a little while. 35And he said to them: "Men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what you intend to do regarding these men. 36For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody. A number of men, about four hundred, joined him. He was slain, and all who obeyed him were scattered and came to nothing. 37After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census, and drew away many people after him. He also perished, and all who obeyed him were dispersed. 38And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it--lest you even be found to fight against God."
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 3:27:00 PM
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Lapidoth
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BABIES KEEP THE FEASTS
From the time a child is conceived to the time he is born parallels the Biblical Feasts
of YHWH that He revealed to Israel when they came out of Egypt.
The gestation period parallels the Feasts of YHWH.
Passover
Exodus 12 we find Passover instituted.
It begins the 14th day of the first month.
Gestation:
On the 14th day of the first month the mothers egg appears.
Unleavened Bread
Must occur the very next night, on the 15th of the month,
or the feast process will fail.
Gestation:
Fertilization of the egg must occur within 24 hours or the
fertilization process will fail.
First Fruits
The Feast of First Fruits occurs next, on the Sunday during the
week of Unleavened Bread. It can be from 2-6 days after the Feast of
Unleavened Bread and is called the Spring Planting of Seed.
Gestation:
The fertilized egg travels down the tube at its own pace taking anywhere
from 2-6 days before it implants. This is the Planting of the Egg.
Shavuot (Pentecost)
Pentecost comes 50 days later.
Gestation:
On the 50th day the embryo begins to form into a person. (Baby!)
Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement)
The Day of Atonement is celebrated on the tenth day of the seventh month.
Blood is taken into the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle.
Gestation:
On the tenth day of the seventh month the production of red blood cells is
taken over by the bone marrow --- the inner sanctum of the babies tabernacle.
Tabernacles
The Feast of Tabernacles follow on the 15th day of the seventh month.
This is traditional celebration of God breathing the breath of life into Adam.
But, Tabernacles is so much more.
Gestation:
By the 15th day of the seventh month the child is capable of breathing air.
He or she is a developed "tabernacle" and can be born. However, to achieve
maximum strength the child should continue to grow inside its mother for
another 80 days. It can thereafter be born and dedicated to the Lord.
Dedication
The Feast of Dedication is 80 days later.
< Message edited by Lapidoth -- 6/17/2008 3:36:51 PM >
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 6/17/2008 3:30:14 PM
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Lapidoth
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quote:
ORIGINAL: manichunter
Well something is going on here, history is repeating itself. Over and over again. The water is trying to gush out but others keep trying to plug the damn. Most of the time this is a good thing. The old guard standing watch to protect the faith as the Pharisees did. The Jehovah witnesses, Seventh Day Adventist, Charismatic movement, Pentecostal movements and other such movements have caused the old guard to stand at attention and defend the faith against heresies and false gospels. This is a good thing. However, the old guard have not succeeded in overthrowing or hinder the spreading of these movements or their teachings. Now here comes these new upstarts that challenge the integrity and wholeness of the christian religious institution of beliefs, doctrines, and traditions that have existed hundreds of years. The Catholics at one time stood in the seat of the old guard. Then the former supposed usurper called the mainstream protestant movement took their share of the seat. Along came new upstarts called pentecostals, charismatics, and others who have assumed a share of the watchman's seat. Now we have these spiritual torah freaks who want to be called Spiritual Israel. They say that they are a part of the old guards family, but the one seating in the watchman chair does not agree. So, we have some new upstarters who present a possible threat to the traditions of the old guard. Haven't this play been ran multiple times in the same game of old resisting the new. Gameliel said it best, "Let us watch and see if it is of God." This forum does not want to give the related multiple subjests space for discussion. It stays sterilized and neatly tucked away from many curious eyes..........
Acts 5:34-39
34Then one in the council stood up, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law held in respect by all the people, and commanded them to put the apostles outside for a little while. 35And he said to them: "Men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what you intend to do regarding these men. 36For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody. A number of men, about four hundred, joined him. He was slain, and all who obeyed him were scattered and came to nothing. 37After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census, and drew away many people after him. He also perished, and all who obeyed him were dispersed. 38And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it--lest you even be found to fight against God."
I think I agree, but I'm not sure. LOL.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
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