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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 1:38:54 PM
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Lapidoth
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if we do we only get a warning ticket.
Must be because I had out of state tags.
And I was in my sons new truck to boot. LOL.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 1:44:08 PM
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The little police charity bumper sticker probably didn't hurt.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 3:52:47 PM
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What is you comment would be to this verse in the light of your view re: birth from HS:
"But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth." (2 Thessalonians 2:13)
LGyp:
OK!
But the question was about the former.....Being born again, in which there no longer remains that sacrifice;
Not the ladder where we are saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth…which is mainly…being born again!
Can’t have one without the other…
So it’s not rhetorical, because we cannot crawl back into the womb and be born, and there no longer remains that sacrifice for sins...so by saying that birth is “from” the HS somehow doesn’t fit the order; simply… because Jesus was the first; and the last
How would you explain your understanding of the verses that refer to the New Birth, please?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2008 10:44:06 PM
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First I find out I should've been keeping the laws of worship in the OT instead of Catholic tradition. Now I find out being a very handsome metrosexual man makes me look like a greek god. Odeliya, I can't win! Please tell me it's okay to look like a greek god so I won't be completely overcome with grief and despair!
Dear Fosgate Pindeldorf III,
Sir, with great sadness we have to inform you that looking like greek god is not OK and not going to bring anyone any extra approval from our highly respected, beloved opposite camp.Quite the opposite.
As picture of Adonis doubtlessly shows us, he went too far ripping his stylish jeans; all the way to their total unusability and as a result it became obvious that ..well..  that he disobeyed the important Torah Law that we have debated here to death. Damn pagan.
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Oh, by the way, what is the correct Hebrew pronunciation for Fosgate?
Alrightnik.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 9:47:29 AM
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Dear Fosgate Pindeldorf III,
Sir, with great sadness we have to inform you that looking like greek god is not OK and not going to bring anyone any extra approval from our highly respected, beloved opposite camp.Quite the opposite.
As picture of Adonis doubtlessly shows us, he went too far ripping his stylish jeans; all the way to their total unusability and as a result it became obvious that ..well.. that he disobeyed the important Torah Law that we have debated here to death. Damn pagan.
Yes, quite obvious. But there are no secrets when you've got the papparottzi chasing you around all day, carving statues of you everywhere you go. 
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Oh, by the way, what is the correct Hebrew pronunciation for Fosgate?
Alrightnik.
Very cool. I see it doesn't lose a thing in translation. 
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 9:59:52 AM
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Just to shake it up and get things going again...
" But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." - Galatians 3:23-25
In fact, the whole of Galatians is a good read for this topic.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 10:45:17 AM
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Just to shake it up and get things going again...
" But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." - Galatians 3:23-25
In fact, the whole of Galatians is a good read for this topic.
What's so interesting about this passage is 'instruction' is one of the buzzwords used for Torah. Paul is telling us we are no longer under the 'instruction' or guidance of Torah.
Does this mean we now live lawless lives? Of course not. It means we no longer relate to God through the written law of the old covenant to fulfill what that written law sought to do. And that was to cause us to love our fellow man. This is a very hard concept to teach to somebody. God has given us a new way to relate to Him. The way of the Spirit. The power of the Spirit is what now guides us into righteous living, not the power(lessness) of the written word. And it's clear from scripture the two ways do not always look the same on the outside but nevertheless seek to fulfill the same spiritual purpose.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 11:14:00 AM
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As was given yesterday, these produce after there own kind which is for the purpose to set fulfillment of scripture, which will not be changed or altered by prayer... which is set to occur as prophesied in Mark 5
Here I received today are 3 more witnesses of the fruit of that agenda; and is all I am going to offer because these can be discussed elsewhere...
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=177322
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=174716
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=171690
I don't know what you are trying to get to by using Mark 5. But I don't understand about a demon possed man and a dead girl and a sick woman has to do with gays any ways.
If we weren't making fun of them or are saying harsh words to them. But changing their's minds in love of God the almighty, creator of Heaven and earth. We won't have to worry about some other idiot who thinks because they have passed a law it's going to go away(rude comments).
If Lot would have teached Sodom and Gomorrah, what he had learned from his uncle. They may have been around yet today. Remember the Jonah story how a city turn it self around after the visit by the prophet. Actual to think about it they did better in it then God's own children did in repenting.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 11:18:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: McFatty
Just to shake it up and get things going again...
" But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." - Galatians 3:23-25
In fact, the whole of Galatians is a good read for this topic.
What's so interesting about this passage is 'instruction' is one of the buzzwords used for Torah. Paul is telling us we are no longer under the 'instruction' or guidance of Torah.
Does this mean we now live lawless lives? Of course not. It means we no longer relate to God through the written law of the old covenant to fulfill what that written law sought to do. And that was to cause us to love our fellow man. This is a very hard concept to teach to somebody. God has given us a new way to relate to Him. The way of the Spirit. The power of the Spirit is what now guides us into righteous living, not the power(lessness) of the written word. And it's clear from scripture the two ways do not always look the same on the outside but nevertheless seek to fulfill the same spiritual purpose.
Most definitely!
It is a new way, while people are still stuck in the old way. Why anything but the Law of Moses must mean complete lawlessness to some people I'll never understand. Acting in complete love to our neighbors (everyone else) is a simple principle which extends to everything we do in life. The letter to the Galatians is my favorite book in the Bible because it explained this so well to me and taught me how to live my life.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 3:08:49 PM
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I know that it may seem hard for those who have put themsleves under the law. Then try to figure it out what it means to live under the Spirit of the Holy One. The thing behind the triune of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Shows us how we are to react to each other here on earth. The love and respect that they have is remarkable to even try to grasp. Paul talks a little about it in Philippians and spots here and there in his letters.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 3:16:10 PM
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I know that it may seem hard for those who have put themsleves under the law. Then try to figure it out what it means to live under the Spirit of the Holy One. The thing behind the triune of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Shows us how we are to react to each other here on earth. The love and respect that they have is remarkable to even try to grasp. Paul talks a little about it in Philippians and spots here and there in his letters.
since it's obvious you don't know what you are talking about, this is amusing.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 3:57:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: mcleod
I know that it may seem hard for those who have put themsleves under the law. Then try to figure it out what it means to live under the Spirit of the Holy One. The thing behind the triune of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Shows us how we are to react to each other here on earth. The love and respect that they have is remarkable to even try to grasp. Paul talks a little about it in Philippians and spots here and there in his letters.
since it's obvious you don't know what you are talking about, this is amusing.
It's obvious that you go around and insult other humans.
I didn't know that you had this great pipe line from God and knows it all.
Gee there was a bunch so-called prophets who thought they was all knowing to yet has led people a stray.
Maybe it would do you well and instead of being so arrogant and thinking you know it all. Study the scriputers youself and quite watching you tube.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 4:03:21 PM
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Can't we all just get along? Or is that against the Law?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 4:12:22 PM
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But that's right Lapidoth you keep thinking that nothing has been fullfilled. Like you are telling me there is going to be a great come-back to shedding of animals. Remember the creator's words he told them that "Destory this temple, and I will raise it again in three days". Which went right over those peoples head, in that day. Because they brought it up at his trial. Which appaers it went over yours too.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 4:16:13 PM
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I apologize I offended you.
But you make statements of which you truly don't know
what you are saying. Unless you have taken the time to
"be" on the "other side" you don't know the thought process.
Yes, we all make assumptions and judgments about each other.
So, again I apologize I offended you.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 4:23:51 PM
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JERUSALEM COUNCIL of Acts 15
The believers addressed were in Antioch, a Greek city of Asia Minor.
They were coming out of a polytheistic, pagan religion.
What we consider "mythology" today had been their theology.
The Greco-Roman religion practiced Temple prostitution, comsumption
of blood, exposure (an early form of abortion) i.e. Exodus and Moses;
and other things prohibited by the Torah. the need to get these new
Believers trained in some kind of godly instruction was absolutely
imperative. But like all people, no one "changes overnight."
James said, "therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those
who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to
them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from
fornication and from what is strangled and from blood." (Ac. 15:19-20)
They were to abstain from idolatry, fornication, meats strangled (i.e., not
killed in a kosher method, unclean meats), and blood. These were the
minimum requirements that had to be observed. WHY?
Because ---- "For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who
preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath." (Ac. 15:21)
Once observing these four requirements, the non-Jewish Believers could go to
the synagogue and learn the Torah of Moses.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 4:28:01 PM
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I believe it's very important that we learn about the books of Moses. However, the Bible says we aren't under its constraints anymore, and the learning of the books of Moses teaches us why we need Jesus and how things got to where they are.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 4:31:25 PM
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There were no other Scriptures in existence at the time other than
the Torah and the Writings (Prophets). We call it the TaNaKh. Or, OT.
They could only be accessible at the local synagogue.
There were no complimentary Gideon Bibles or Family Christian Bookstores, etc.
These people had to be trained up in some instruction, and they were required
to change their lifestyles. They were not required to adopt Torah observance
immediately, but Torah observance would come as they grew in their faith.
Perhaps the statement "Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law" (Ac. 15:24)
is a stumblingblock. It only appears in translations that use the Greek Textus Receptus.
Translations that occur from the critical Greek texts used in modern English translations
do not have this. The phrase was added over time.
Translations based on older manuscripts, like the NASU, read with "Since we have heard
that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their
words, unsettling your souls" (Ac. 15:24). It does not have the statement
"You must be circumcised and keep the law" (NKJV).
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 4:33:21 PM
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I believe it's very important that we learn about the books of Moses. However, the Bible says we aren't under its constraints anymore, and the learning of the books of Moses teaches us why we need Jesus and how things got to where they are.
In the same vain, I can say, "It's important we learn about the Constitution, however
the Congress says we aren't under its constraints anymore."
Like I said, it's views derived by the "thought process."
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 4:34:36 PM
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As was given yesterday, these produce after there own kind which is for the purpose to set fulfillment of scripture, which will not be changed or altered by prayer... which is set to occur as prophesied in Mark 5
Here I received today are 3 more witnesses of the fruit of that agenda; and is all I am going to offer because these can be discussed elsewhere...
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=177322
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=174716
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=171690
I don't know what you are trying to get to by using Mark 5. But I don't understand about a demon possed man and a dead girl and a sick woman has to do with gays any ways.
If we weren't making fun of them or are saying harsh words to them. But changing their's minds in love of God the almighty, creator of Heaven and earth. We won't have to worry about some other idiot who thinks because they have passed a law it's going to go away(rude comments).
If Lot would have teached Sodom and Gomorrah, what he had learned from his uncle. They may have been around yet today. Remember the Jonah story how a city turn it self around after the visit by the prophet. Actual to think about it they did better in it then God's own children did in repenting.
Greetings
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If Lot would have taught Sodom and Gomorrah, what he had learned from his uncle. They may have been around yet today.
Let’s take a peek….
If I remember there was some agreements being worked out between God and Abraham over this issue, and If I remember correctly the Lord said
20 And the Lord said, "Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know."
Now we have to ask ourselves  .... if Lot was the only righteous one found in the city, then who made the outcry AGAINST the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?
LG
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2008 4:35:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: McFatty
I believe it's very important that we learn about the books of Moses. However, the Bible says we aren't under its constraints anymore, and the learning of the books of Moses teaches us why we need Jesus and how things got to where they are.
In the same vain, I can say, "It's important we learn about the Constitution, however
the Congress says we aren't under its constraints anymore."
Like I said, it's views derived by the "thought process."
I'm not sure I follow...
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“Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.” – Philippians 4:8
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wow, Gypsi you can be a suspense writer! THat's what i call a twist!! 