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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/7/2008 9:15:53 AM
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stampinlady
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WE only need to pray and trust God's Spirit to move.
But aren't we suppose to be "ready to give and answer for the hope we have?" That's why I started the thread in Church on this.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/7/2008 9:24:32 PM
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WE only need to pray and trust God's Spirit to move.
But aren't we suppose to be "ready to give and answer for the hope we have?" That's why I started the thread in Church on this.
I'd rather trust God to give me an answer instead of making up my own. God is more powerful than our man-made protests. If you don't want to trust God to move, then that's fine. You are more than welcome to do whatever you wish. I just know my God is more powerful than anything I could ever come up with. He can change people's hearts, while I can do nothing. I'd rather do what Manimal said. Do whatever HE tells you to do, instead of making my own plans. God doesn't need MY help, He only asks for my obedience. But please, do whatever you wish. I refuse to back down on prayer b/c I know how powerful it is. God honors our prayers and WILL move. But please, do whatever you wish.
Edit: May I also add, I serve a God who stopped the world from spinning for one day, split the Red Sea, rose a man from the grave, made a donkey talk, shall I go on? I trust Him that He has a plan and I won't do anything unless I HEAR from Him. He has a plan, I plan to let Him complete it. Again, do what you want, I plan to listen to my Master's voice and do what He says.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/7/2008 9:49:42 PM
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What is kind of interesting is that she suppports Barack Obama who says he is Christian but then what Christian accepts support from someone who outright denies Jesus is Christ. In actuality, maybe it is the other way around. Maybe he is the big supporter of her. Most probably both of them are just demons assigned by the antichrist.
Demons? Are you serious? Your joking, right? I believe in demons, sure, but just because somebody is a different religon from you does'nt mean they are evil.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/8/2008 9:50:40 AM
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I'd rather trust God to give me an answer instead of making up my own.
So are you saying that it's not worth looking up scripture to use when a friend comes to you with quesitons about this? If we're called to be "ready with an answer" how can you say what you just said? Isn't that one of the reasons why God gave us His word?
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/8/2008 9:55:37 AM
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Stamp,
The Bible gives us an edict to do more than just pray. We are to be equipped and ready to give an answer to all for what we believe and why. To do so with gentleness and respect.
It's sad when we have a current generation of self-professing Christians who couldn't last two minutes in a talk with a Jehovah's Witness without being turned into a pretzel because of their lack of biblical knowledge and apologetics.
I am currently writing (for a certain publication) a piece on Eckhart Tolle's new book.. when I feel I am comfortable with pieces of it, I will post it here for some peer review and study.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/8/2008 3:13:23 PM
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Earthless - I would love to hear what you have to share.
I have a friend that said her mother-in-law gave the book to her husband (or the lady's son) to read because it helps with your ego. She highly recommended it so I would love other Christian perspectives. This friend said her mother-in-law is a Catholic.
I just haven't seen anything good from what I have read (but I haven't read the book itself).
I agree with some of the poster's that we should pray, but we should also be prepared with sharing the Word. We must be able to share the truth to those that may be lead to believe the enemy's lies.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/8/2008 3:24:13 PM
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Funny, God tells us in His Word, the Bible, that our ego (our self, our sinful nature, being all about me me me) is a problem and not to be inflated.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/8/2008 3:31:57 PM
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Yea, when she said that, I know I thought there is plenty of help in the bible for whatever we may be facing. I guess if someone is a strong Christian then they will find the book to be "off", but it's scary for those that have never even had the Word of God shared with them. :(
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/8/2008 5:20:37 PM
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This is poison. She's espousing all the Neo-Pagan/New Age tripe that Deepak Chopra spews out.
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"Jesus," said Oprah, "came to show us Christ-consciousness…Jesus came to show us the way of the heart…Jesus came to say, 'Look I'm going to live in the body, in the human body and I'm going to show you how it's done.' These are some principles and some laws that you can use to live by to know that way"
She concluded, "I don't believe that Jesus came to start Christianity."
Christ consciousness? No, Jesus came to save us by reconciling us to God through the expiation of our sins ('was revealed to take away sins'), he came so that we might know God's love (God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son), he came to be a holy model (take my yoke upon you and learn from me), and so we can be 'partakers of his divine nature'.
This book preaches, quote:
'The light of consciousness is all that is necessary. You are that light.'
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The truth is that only in the mystery of the incarnate Word does the mystery of man take on light.
Do yourselves a favor and skip this book. I read it (and Chopra's book, the Third Jesus) in order to refute the New Age ramblings of a friend and both are factually, historically, and theologically worthless.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/8/2008 9:13:02 PM
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I'd rather trust God to give me an answer instead of making up my own.
So are you saying that it's not worth looking up scripture to use when a friend comes to you with quesitons about this? If we're called to be "ready with an answer" how can you say what you just said? Isn't that one of the reasons why God gave us His word?
Well of course we use the word. What I mean is I'm not going to waste my time trying to think up my own stuff. I DO use the Word of God. Notice how I said "Making up my own." That means making up my own answer from the top of my head. No where in that sentence did I EVER say I wouldn't use the Word of God. Please don't twist my words. It's really not nice and it's very rude and it really ticks me off. Thanks.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/8/2008 9:37:12 PM
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Stamp,
The Bible gives us an edict to do more than just pray. We are to be equipped and ready to give an answer to all for what we believe and why. To do so with gentleness and respect.
It's sad when we have a current generation of self-professing Christians who couldn't last two minutes in a talk with a Jehovah's Witness without being turned into a pretzel because of their lack of biblical knowledge and apologetics.
I am currently writing (for a certain publication) a piece on Eckhart Tolle's new book.. when I feel I am comfortable with pieces of it, I will post it here for some peer review and study.
I hope you're not saying I'm a 'self-professing christian'. Just b/c I trust God to move and convict the sinners and show them the right way, doesn't mean I don't know the Word of God. And I will ONLY do what my Master tells me to do. If that's evil, then I guess I'm just evil. Thanks.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/9/2008 8:43:33 AM
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Kim,
I hadn't even read your post until now And I always say "self-professing" Christians because I never claim to say someone is a believer if they have not said so themselves.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/9/2008 5:08:48 PM
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Another book to line my cat's litter pan with if the dog don't chew it up first.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/9/2008 6:12:11 PM
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LOL! That's funny!
I took notes from the show, and then realized that a lot of it would be on Oprah's website. 
This is what I got (sorry for the messiness as I spent too much time on this already). I highlighted my concerns in red.
Oprah opens by saying, “It’s Not a new religion or doctrine”.
"It's about connecting to your spirit/your soul. You can’t live your best life without being connected to your spirit."
"How to quiet your mind, put your ego in check, how to be fully present in this moment now."
A big point was helping your Ego.
Jim Carey - Says, “Echart’s philosophy is the present moment is all we have, all there is and all there will be. WHAT!!!!?
Oprah says she gets a lot of “Will it interfere with my religious belief’s?” It’s not a belief system, it’s a sweetner or adding honey to the pot.
References the book “A Seeker’s Guide”.
Oprah.com for “A Seeker’s Guide”
The Author says, “Spirituality is a longing and that we sense there is a longing for more. Religion grew up around those deep question’s“. 
Lay Minister: Said it made her look at Jesus Christ differently. She found a deeper meaning than Jesus just dying on the cross for her sins.
From Oprah.com, A New Earth has also shown Margit a different way of looking at Jesus Christ. "I've always tried to find a deeper inner connection with the purpose that Christ had here on earth," Margit says. "All my life, I thought it was just for him to die on the cross for my sins. But I now recognize that Jesus actually taught me Christ consciousness. To be fully human is to be Christ-like." THIS LAST STATEMENT GETS ME! I DON'T like this because not all human's are Christ-Like. But, I guess this is the lady's comment and not out of the book...hum
Oprah says she is Christian too and that she thinks he came to show us how “to be” (Christ consciousness).
Jenny McCarthey : Learning more about the present gave her peace.
“The only peace you can ever find is in the now. In this moment right here. As soon as my thoughts go out to tomorrow—I'm worried about this bill I have and I need to pay off, or my mortgage, or Evan's behavior or medicines—I am unconscious," she says. "If I come right back to the present, which is me sitting in this chair and I'm talking to you, there's peace."
Kadida Jones:
From Oprah's site: During the Chapter 3 class of Oprah and Eckhart's Web class, Kidada Jones, daughter of legendary music producer Quincy Jones, asked a question that resonated with many people. "This book hits me really, really deep in my heart, and I know it to be the truth, but I have such resistance. And I feel like if everything in form is an illusion, it feels really disenchanting," she said. "I'm at a point in my life where I have goals, I'm excited about my career, I want to have kids, I want to meet a great partner. If it's all illusion, where is the fun?"
Oprah says she was afraid she and Eckhart did not fully answer that question, but Kidada says the answer became clear during the class on Chapter 4. "I would have to say that his very specific instructions of feeling the subtle body breathing, paying attention to nature…those very specific instructions brought a space into my life that I haven't experienced," Kidada says. "Within the space came all of these gifts—compassion, patience, newfound oneness. All of my time kind of slowed down. Everything just kind of had brakes. When I pay attention to those very specific directions, it's a whole new reality for me."
Penny, dying from cancer: Penny says she used to obsess about her fear of dying, but after reading Eckhart's explanation of eternal life, she says she has a completely new outlook on her life.
From Oprah's website: During the Chapter 4 class, Eckhart explained why he does not fear death. "The ego has dissolved, and so only the ego fears death," he said. "I know there is no death. Usually when people talk about immortality, they use certain arguments, perhaps from physics. They say the energy never gets destroyed. Energy can only become transformed. So the vital energy that is your life, because energy cannot be destroyed, must survive in some form. That is often the argument for the survival of that life—there is no death. Only the form dissolves."
Penny says she now no longer struggles with depression and anxiety. She's just excited to live! "I planned a trip to Vegas. Even when I bake a pie now I smell it, I feel the dough. I know my body's crumbling. I'm out of energy a lot, and it's probably happening. But at the same time, it doesn't scare me." NO!!! SO WRONG if you aren’t SAVED!
Captain in Army says: dealing with the present moment and stress. Wrote on card: Be Aware that what I think create the way I feel rather than being my thoughts and emotions. Telling myself thoughts or naratives may be bad other than facts.
Jenny with a troubled marriage: Seperated after a year, husband changed over night. Angry, self pity, and it helped see the relationship differently. Instead of acting in anger like her husband she acted different. Helped her to see that they were “two pain bodies sitting in the same kitchen”.
Sorry this wasn't put together very well, I need to give my family some attention.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/9/2008 6:12:59 PM
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I use to watch her. I DID like her. Good show. But, I have learned alot more about her and I"m very sorry for her and will pray for her. In life when people seek others the Our Lord and Savior, they have been damaged sometime in life and seeking healing. I hope someone can show her God heals and only God..
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/9/2008 6:15:33 PM
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Funny, God tells us in His Word, the Bible, that our ego (our self, our sinful nature, being all about me me me) is a problem and not to be inflated. Earthless have you read the entire book? Just wondering because I started it and it was so psychological and dry that I just couldn't get past the 2nd chapter. However, it does seem that Toelle is all about DE-flating the ego and letting it go, which I would think would be a positive thing for those ready to do so, and also not in conflict with what the Bible teaches in a macro sort of way. I believe Jesus completely mastered his ego.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/10/2008 1:07:26 AM
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I think I would find Dawkins painful as well. I haven't had the nerve to try and venture there yet, LOL. I just know I couldn't finish this book, and my religious views had absolutely nothing to do with it. It is just dull and dry and too "clinical" for me. I'm all for deflating the ego, I believe that concept has great merit. This particular book just doesn't do it for me. Thanks!
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/11/2008 10:38:46 PM
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So why didn't these people find this "enlightenment" in the Bible????? It approaches it from a different perspective I think. I watched one of the shows the other day, and I can listen to Toelle better than I can read him. He's very clinical in his approach actually. I think it was Oprah that said this is not intended to replace anyone's religion - it's like icing on the cake. You don't have to have this, but it adds an additional dimension. I see merit in that, I just don't care for this particular program for reasons previously mentioned. I expect you will hear something along those lines from your Christian friends who are watching and reading. I would be interested in hearing their input.
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RE: A New Earth -- Oprah and Eckart Tolle - 4/12/2008 12:27:57 PM
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