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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 10:07:48 AM
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Sounds like the typical media myopia. Only getting a story matters and the possible outcome from the exposure isn't given a second thought.
Breaching operational security should carry mandatory jail time.
Oh, pleeeeeze. Grow up, people. A prince serving in a combat unit is news. It's suprising the lid stayed on this long.
The fact the princes have served in the military say a great deal about the Brits and the royal family. You'd never see that in the US.
You need to read up on what Opsec is. I take you haven't been in the service.
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OPSEC is a methodology that denies critical information to an adversary. Unlike security programs that seek to protect classified information, OPSEC measures identify, control, and protect generally unclassified evidence that is associated with sensitive operations and activities.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 10:34:49 AM
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Sounds like the typical media myopia. Only getting a story matters and the possible outcome from the exposure isn't given a second thought.
Breaching operational security should carry mandatory jail time.
Oh, pleeeeeze. Grow up, people. A prince serving in a combat unit is news. It's suprising the lid stayed on this long.
The fact the princes have served in the military say a great deal about the Brits and the royal family. You'd never see that in the US.
You need to read up on what Opsec is. I take you haven't been in the service.
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Operations security (OPSEC) is a process that identifies critical information to determine if friendly actions can be observed by adversary intelligence systems, determines if information obtained by adversaries could be interpreted to be useful to them, and then executes selected measures that eliminate or reduce adversary exploitation of friendly critical information.
OPSEC is a methodology that denies critical information to an adversary. Unlike security programs that seek to protect classified information, OPSEC measures identify, control, and protect generally unclassified evidence that is associated with sensitive operations and activities.
Marcus, you're right. My brother went to Iraq and all the families of deploying soldiers were told absolutely NOT to speak in public about where he was located, what he was doing, when he arrived, OR when he was expected to come back home. Nothing. Word did get out about location-wise (you know how it goes, some person blabs their mouth and it does get back to the higher-ups in the unit) and you know what happened? The soldier of the family that blabbed gots chewed out by his commanding officers for compromising the security and safety of the entire unit.
Whenever people asked, I told them, "He's in Iraq. I can't say exactly where". It's something I took very seriously. Obviously, the media that blabbed their mouth didn't care about Prince Harry's safety or those in his unit. 
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 10:41:30 AM
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They had posh jobs, who has been on the front lines, being just a guy. Harry is a different sort.
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Give the kid, this, he was trying to be like everyone else, not a little sissy foofoo, like the rest of royals who are men. He has courage an conviction, such a rare thing these days.
Hang on - most male members of the Royal family enter the military. Prince Philip fought in WW2, Charles served in the Royal Navy, Andrew fought in the Falklands, William gruaduated from Sandown, Harry served in Afghanastan. Who are the "sissy foofoos"??
Harry is not a different sort. The rest do not necessarily have 'posh jobs'. But then it depends on what your definition of a 'posh job' is.
The Queen (as Princess Elisabeth) joined the the Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service during WWII ~ the first royal (and so far, only) female to serve in the armed forces.
As for being posh, The Princess Royal refused to give her children titles, (and her first husband refused an Earldom). She gets on and does as much work as Diana did, but without courting the publicity. She's more down to earth than many of the other royals ~ especially when it comes to kidnap attempts 
Harry may have pots of money, but that doesn't always make life easy. Diana spoke of her children once and said she'd produced 'the heir and the spare'. Sure can't be a lot of fun to be a 'spare'. Not only does he have to live in the shadow of his brother regarding being heir to the throne, William is brighter than he is. It's often not easy having a brighter sibling ~ especially when your grades are going to be plastered all over the country/world.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 11:42:56 AM
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I was thinking about the whoe spare thing with Harry. His father, as I read ( not taking gossip to seriously though) was not thrilled at his birth, Rumors of who his father is, still whispered. He is not a very handsome boy, like Wills, maybe not as bright. Is he not the kind of person the Lord in his kindness woud give him something extra special. Wills might be all that and a bag of chips, but God sees the heart. Maybe Harry has qualities no one knows but God. One of these qualities may be courage and conviction. I admire the lad, he lived in rough conditions, not to mention very dangerous ones. KInd of reminds me of the red headed David of the Bible. While man looks at the outer apperance God sees the heart.
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They had posh jobs, who has been on the front lines, being just a guy. Harry is a different sort.
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Give the kid, this, he was trying to be like everyone else, not a little sissy foofoo, like the rest of royals who are men. He has courage an conviction, such a rare thing these days.
Hang on - most male members of the Royal family enter the military. Prince Philip fought in WW2, Charles served in the Royal Navy, Andrew fought in the Falklands, William gruaduated from Sandown, Harry served in Afghanastan. Who are the "sissy foofoos"??
Harry is not a different sort. The rest do not necessarily have 'posh jobs'. But then it depends on what your definition of a 'posh job' is.
The Queen (as Princess Elisabeth) joined the the Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service during WWII ~ the first royal (and so far, only) female to serve in the armed forces.
As for being posh, The Princess Royal refused to give her children titles, (and her first husband refused an Earldom). She gets on and does as much work as Diana did, but without courting the publicity. She's more down to earth than many of the other royals ~ especially when it comes to kidnap attempts
Harry may have pots of money, but that doesn't always make life easy. Diana spoke of her children once and said she'd produced 'the heir and the spare'. Sure can't be a lot of fun to be a 'spare'. Not only does he have to live in the shadow of his brother regarding being heir to the throne, William is brighter than he is. It's often not easy having a brighter sibling ~ especially when your grades are going to be plastered all over the country/world.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 11:57:36 AM
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His father, as I read ( not taking gossip to seriously though) was not thrilled at his birth, I can't say that I've ever heard that. But from everything that I have seen, his father loves both his sons.
BTW ~ William is going to be serving on a Navy warship (according to the newspapers!).
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 12:08:06 PM
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I admire the lad, he lived in rough conditions, not to mention very dangerous ones. He is no more special than any of the other men and women who are serving. I admire all of those who serve their country with honesty, bravery and intergrety (sp).
And bravery comes in different forms. Prince Edward resigned his commission, to the disgust and scorn of many, including his family. It would have perhaps been far easier for him to have served (and perhaps served badly and caused others to die because of it) than to resign.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 12:21:27 PM
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An enemy would see the capture or killing of a high value personality (in or out of the service) as a propaganda victory. To get that coup, fellow service members would be unduly exposed to more danger than having non-celebrity service members in the unit. That is actually a good reason to have 'celebrities' in service in PR type assignments or not in service to begin with. Or they should leave their celebrity behind them and remain anonymous.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 12:37:28 PM
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Or they should leave their celebrity behind them and remain anonymous. Which is what Harry tried to do.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 12:39:39 PM
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Or they should leave their celebrity behind them and remain anonymous. Which is what Harry tried to do.
That's true, but the media wouldn't let him.  They're like that gnat that just won't leave you alone, pestering you no matter what you do.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 6:01:19 PM
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Or they should leave their celebrity behind them and remain anonymous. Which is what Harry tried to do.
yes he did try to do that didn't he? Well now he is back home and has to worry about home grown terrorists after him
"I think now he will be more targeted by the Taliban and al-Qaida supporters than before," radical preacher Omar Bakri Mohammad, a former British resident who is banned from returning, said by telephone from Beirut. "It seems to me he is carrying out war against Islam and Muslims."
Prince Harry returns to UK, family
Charles proud of returning Harry
Prince Charles said he had found it "quite difficult" to keep the secret.
"People kept saying to me 'you must be so frustrated about Harry not being able to serve abroad'"
He said when he was asked where Harry was, he'd reply: "He's on exercise somewhere."
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/1/2008 11:38:54 PM
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He would have been had to recognize. Did you see him, just looked like a very dirty kid, with matted red hair. He looked very average. like him for what hed did, and besides I feel compassion for him always in Wills shadow, who has being blessed with moms looks, and dads brain, and Harry the flip of that of will, dads looks, moms brain. Not that he is ugly, just not dashing like wills. To be called a spare is sad. I admire his courage, it was tough eating MRE food, being hot, stinky and dirty. I know other brave men and women do this, but face it rank has it priveliges. Serving on a warship is most adramible ( no pun), but I am sure hot showers, good meals, maybe servants ( do not know), but I am sure Wills is more posh, than the desert. 
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/2/2008 5:19:58 AM
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Serving on a warship is most adramible ( no pun), but I am sure hot showers, good meals, maybe servants ( do not know), but I am sure Wills is more posh, than the desert. I was never that crazy about Diana, but one of the things she did with her children was show them the 'other side of life'. In addition, their childhood and education was more normal than Prince Charles' had been (thanks I believe to both parents). Now serving on a warship may be posher than the desert, but I'll warrent it ain't no walk in the park.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/4/2008 9:09:23 AM
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Harry's made of the right stuff alright, it first showed when he bravely walked through the streets of London behind his mothers coffin as a mere 14-yr-old with a million eyes on him..
And in Afghanistan he again showed his mettle..
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/4/2008 9:13:40 AM
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He is not a very handsome boy, like Wills
Au contraire. . .I think he's better looking than William!
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/4/2008 11:32:46 AM
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He is not a very handsome boy, like Wills
Au contraire. . .I think he's better looking than William!
I agree. Harry has gotten better looking as he grew older. 
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/4/2008 8:26:27 PM
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Harry's made of the right stuff alright, it first showed when he bravely walked through the streets of London behind his mothers coffin as a mere 14-yr-old with a million eyes on him..
And in Afghanistan he again showed his mettle..
"True nobility is exempt from fear"
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Actually, he was only 13. His mother died just over 2 weeks before he turned 14.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 3/5/2008 12:08:43 AM
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The fact the princes have served in the military say a great deal about the Brits and the royal family. You'd never see that in the US.
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We may not have royals as someone else pointed out, but we do have the elite, and rarely do any of them serve in the military, especially in times of war. Mitt Romney's 5 strapping all-American sons are not in the military, and if you remember during his campaign, when asked if he would encourage any of them to join, his response was that they could better serve their country by helping him to get elected, which is when I crossed Mitt off my list of possible candidates. My oldest daughter joined the Marines, nearly every man in my family has served or is serving in the military, and several have come home wounded, and a few have come home in a coffin, but neither he not his sons care to join the military and protect this country?
Look at Congress, look at Wall Street, look in the State Legislatures- how many have served or have children serving? Nearly none. Personally, I think upon reaching age 18 at least 2 yrs of military or civil service should be required of every citizen and be a condition for those seeking citizenship, or those who want to go to college or trade school. Don't want to join the Marines? Join the Peace Corps, then. Give of yourself in service to your country and community, here or abroad. Those who refuse should lose their citizenship, and if an alien be immediately deported.
As for Harry, good form, young man! You honor your family and country.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 8/7/2008 12:50:42 PM
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Sounds like the typical media myopia. Only getting a story matters and the possible outcome from the exposure isn't given a second thought.
Breaching operational security should carry mandatory jail time.
Oh, pleeeeeze. Grow up, people. A prince serving in a combat unit is news. It's suprising the lid stayed on this long.
The fact the princes have served in the military say a great deal about the Brits and the royal family. You'd never see that in the US.
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Marine Jimmy McCain, John McCain's son, just returned from his first tour of Iraq.
Bumping thread so you can stay on topic. I was referring to the President and vice President. Unless McCain wins, the trend will continue. Few members of Congress have offspring that have served in the military. My contention is that it is easier to send someone else's sons and daughters into combat. About 1% of Congress have offspring that serve/served in the military.
So, to be statistically accurate, there is about a 1% chance. If McCain wins, it will be an aberration.
Oddly, the last US president to have a child in the military was George H. W. Bush.
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 8/7/2008 1:14:10 PM
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Oddly, the last US president to have a child in the military was George H. W. Bush.
Real Military or just whatever he thought he had to do to get away with saying he was in the military?
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RE: Prince Harry in Afghanistan - 8/7/2008 2:42:45 PM
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Oddly, the last US president to have a child in the military was George H. W. Bush.
Real Military or just whatever he thought he had to do to get away with saying he was in the military?
The National Guard then was so different when W served because of the draft. Many sought to avoid active duty (Viet Nam) by joining the Guard as few Guard units were called up. Others got medical or other deferments and some left the country. W. did what many, if not most, young men would do in the same situation. He served enough to get by, but does not merit any special credit or derision for his Guard hitch. He admits that his service was not as "honorable" as Kerry's or McCain's or many others.
The Guard eventually evolved into a more combat focus and many units were called up in the First Gulf War and later conflicts. In the 60's and 70's, people entered the Guard with the confidence that combat would be avoided. People joining today surely expect they will be called up.
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