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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/18/2009 2:52:21 PM
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solarflare
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I did not grow up in the US and I find that my syntax sometimes does not quite give the meaning I intended. Throw two other languages into the mix and well, it can happen.
So, good. No problem.
With reference to the word "subjective"....what I meant was, if you are in the same place doing the same thing and dressing the same way, you're behavior and apparel may not be immodest to you...but someone else viewing the same scene, may very well disagree.
Further, don't you think the Bible gives us direction with regards to how to dress/act? .....and no, I don't mean we should all wear long robes, but I think most people would agree what immodest clothing looks like and ditto actions
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/18/2009 3:05:56 PM
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Modest dress, immodest dress, joyful, not joyful... NONE of that matters when we have doctrines that are heretical.
We seem to be missing the crux of the problem at hand and being allowed to waste time on discussions that are not as important as the root one.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/18/2009 3:16:09 PM
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Modest dress, immodest dress, joyful, not joyful... NONE of that matters when we have doctrines that are heretical.
We seem to be missing the crux of the problem at hand and being allowed to waste time on discussions that are not as important as the root one.
Thank you, earthless, for directing us back to the heart of the current issue.
With the 'whacked out' teachings (Ben Dunn, John Crowder & friends verbage) that is being taught to these young people, who or what are they being joyful and worshipping to?
I have no problem with people getting excited about the Lord, our One True God and Savior; my musings is on who are they getting excited about in these worship services? The Lord of the Bible or the Lord of their supernatural new age belief?
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/18/2009 3:42:25 PM
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Well said, Matthew. I echo that.
I don't have a problem, per se, with what they are doing.
But it's the leadership that is guiding them in it and their spiritual lives that concerns me.
Like I said before, I can't decypher what is in each of their heats . . . all I can know is who they are allowing to lead them.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/19/2009 12:17:24 AM
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Modest dress, immodest dress, joyful, not joyful... NONE of that matters when we have doctrines that are heretical.
We seem to be missing the crux of the problem at hand and being allowed to waste time on discussions that are not as important as the root one.
Hear hear! I quite agree. The modes of worship services are debatable - the doctrines being taught at these places are not.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/27/2009 8:15:30 PM
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What is a 'FIRE TUNNEL'
About 1:20 into it it gets a bit disturbing.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/27/2009 8:19:20 PM
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Not sure if the videos I posted in this thread and or the Todd Bentley/Lakeland Counterfeit Revival thread are still viewable.. but what is at play in many of these instances is demonic in origin.
For anyone versed in the world of the occult and in the kingdom of the cults.. it is eerily disturbing for me, a Christian, to see the absolute similarities in what is done in these so-called church services and what is done in demonic/occultic circles.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/27/2009 8:41:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: ironsharpensiron
What is a 'FIRE TUNNEL'
About 1:20 into it it gets a bit disturbing.
Matthew
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/27/2009 10:34:00 PM
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How is God glorified in the mess? What is the purpose of the tunnel?
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2009 12:17:01 AM
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Bro_Shane, that is exactly what I thought when I saw the girl doing that wierd transic dance thing on the floor. Reminded me of some movies I have seen with haitian voodoo stuff going on.
Very disturbing.
Earthless, yes, I would agree; very cultish and satanic.
Wow. I think I have way too much free-time, I keep finding this stuff... 
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2009 12:29:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: earthless
Not sure if the videos I posted in this thread and or the Todd Bentley/Lakeland Counterfeit Revival thread are still viewable.. but what is at play in many of these instances is demonic in origin.
For anyone versed in the world of the occult and in the kingdom of the cults.. it is eerily disturbing for me, a Christian, to see the absolute similarities in what is done in these so-called church services and what is done in demonic/occultic circles.
I concur. Speaking of counterfeit revivals heres another interesting read:
http://www.equip.org/hank_speaks_outs/brownsville-revival-revisited-in-2009-
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/28/2009 5:36:04 PM
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Good article, SamsonUSA. It would be wuite disturbing to see a woman doing that throughout the service. Very strange indeed...
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/29/2009 9:45:28 AM
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Good article, SamsonUSA. It would be wuite disturbing to see a woman doing that throughout the service. Very strange indeed...
Matthew
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/29/2009 1:03:17 PM
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EGAD!! What the!? Unbeleivable!!
It's things like this that push non-believers further away from the Truth.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/29/2009 4:37:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: ironsharpensiron
Good article, SamsonUSA. It would be wuite disturbing to see a woman doing that throughout the service. Very strange indeed...
Matthew
What about this?
That is NOT the Holy Spirit. That IS a bad acid trip.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/29/2009 9:24:05 PM
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Maybe there is a reason the sports teams from UC-Santa Cruz are called The Fighting Banana Slugs
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/30/2009 4:07:05 AM
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Good article, SamsonUSA. It would be wuite disturbing to see a woman doing that throughout the service. Very strange indeed...
Matthew
What about this?
sigh..that broke my heart..
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 5/30/2009 10:02:31 AM
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ORIGINAL: ironsharpensiron
What is a 'FIRE TUNNEL'
About 1:20 into it it gets a bit disturbing.
Matthew
Voodoo.
I do believe that you have the gift of Discerning of spirits, Shane.
Thanks
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 6/1/2009 5:43:42 PM
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I have only been following this thread for a day or so but what I have learned is SCARY! Thank you, for opening my eyes to ALOT of deception from the enemy. I believe you've gotten my attention so again thanks. I never knew or ever seen this kind of stuff Youtube has on. Suppose, I have lived too sheltered of a life! I did go to thinking about this not too long ago as I was studying scripture. The only time I found people to fall down and behave this way is when the demons were being commanded to come out of the people. By sharing the Youtube videos, you've given me a SERIOUS visual to what is going on and a confirmation to just how much of an evil deceiver satan is.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 6/3/2009 9:37:21 AM
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I have only been following this thread for a day or so but what I have learned is SCARY! Thank you, for opening my eyes to ALOT of deception from the enemy. I believe you've gotten my attention so again thanks. I never knew or ever seen this kind of stuff Youtube has on. Suppose, I have lived too sheltered of a life! I did go to thinking about this not too long ago as I was studying scripture. The only time I found people to fall down and behave this way is when the demons were being commanded to come out of the people. By sharing the Youtube videos, you've given me a SERIOUS visual to what is going on and a confirmation to just how much of an evil deceiver satan is.
May God continue to be gracious to you!
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and a confirmation to just how much of an evil deceiver satan is.
And how little we all know of scripture.
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RE: Word of Faith / Prosperity - One Stop Thread - 6/4/2009 1:13:16 AM
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Not that it matters. But I HAVE READ THIS WHOLE THREAD!
Firstly, I'm NOT WOF. I was very impressed with the scholarship and wisdom exhibited here. It would appear that generally speaking, WOF does not like to deal with Scripture at all, except for finding short phrases that suit their purpose (though have to give gtp some credit here). Stonewalling seems to be a favored tactic.
Keep up the good work
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