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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/26/2008 11:11:23 AM
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mapachito13
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In Denmark the current price is 9,7 $ pr. gallon.
Sometimes I think you are not facing tough times often enough! 
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And I am sure you have a great public transportation system to keep people from driving everywhere and people probably drive cars that get better mpg (or kmpl, in metric).
Well, that obviously depends on your definition of "great". 
It works alright, and if you live in any major city, you can get far with only "some" hassle.
Yes, our cars has much better milage compared to US cars, which is why US cars cant sell here. Honostly - why would anyone drive around in a huge beast that sips fuel like the British sips tea? Besides economics, it's an inviromental pressure that is entirely avoidable.
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I guess my definition of great is better than here, especially in LA! We have hosted several exchange students from Germany and when they come here they take the public transportation (sometimes all the way across LA county) but they are always saying how public transportation is better in Europe. I haven't been to Europe, so I have to rely on their opinions.
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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/26/2008 1:20:12 PM
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I can opine on the difference in public transportation systems. I've lived in four major US metropolitan areas and two European cities. I could get almost anywhere I wanted to in Europe fairly easily. I lived about 45 minutes outside Vienna for a while and would have a single change of train/subway to get downtown. It was extremely easy and fast. Same for Munich.
In Chicago, I lived about 45 minutes outside the city (by car) but it took 90 minutes by train. In Harris County(aka Houston), I drove. Period. There was no way I could easily get to my office via public transportation. In Seattle, it was possible but not convenient given the hours that I worked. Here in Denver, somewhat between the Houston experience and Seattle - possible but not convenient.
Hands down, the Europeans are light years ahead of Americans on public transportation.
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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/26/2008 1:34:47 PM
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I can opine on the difference in public transportation systems. I've lived in four major US metropolitan areas and two European cities. I could get almost anywhere I wanted to in Europe fairly easily. I lived about 45 minutes outside Vienna for a while and would have a single change of train/subway to get downtown. It was extremely easy and fast. Same for Munich.
In Chicago, I lived about 45 minutes outside the city (by car) but it took 90 minutes by train. In Harris County(aka Houston), I drove. Period. There was no way I could easily get to my office via public transportation. In Seattle, it was possible but not convenient given the hours that I worked. Here in Denver, somewhat between the Houston experience and Seattle - possible but not convenient.
Hands down, the Europeans are light years ahead of Americans on public transportation.
And that's why their gas prices are more than double ours here in the US. That and the fact that it is a lot more possible to put mass transit in the countries that are the size of our counties.
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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/26/2008 4:13:31 PM
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I currently get to ride the city buses free :) as a student in a local college (well, we pay a yearly transportation fee, but I have to pay it whether or not I use it!).
I work & go to school in "the city." It is a 45 min drive on the weekend and free parking. On weekends I drive (~$10 gas). On the weekdays, it is 1.5 drive, I have to pay $9-20 in parking depending on what is available (if anything!). One weekdays, I take the bus(es).
I can't take the city bus from home- I have to drive to a park-n-ride (for city bus) or ride the local bus into the city, then change buses to get to my area of the city. Total of 2 hours from door to door. And I have to pay for the local bus- $2.75 each way.
My dh has a 5 min commute. He sometimes takes the bus so I don't have to walk home from the bus station when it is cold (20 min walk) and when I need the car.
We could not possibly live in my area without a car. Well, we could live, but things would be very inconvenient, and we would never see our friends and family or do anything fun, as most of them live on rural roads.
I plan to buy a trike soon, to do things like shopping, etc. If I could live without a car- or use it only for emergencies, I would.
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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/27/2008 2:08:16 PM
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And that's why their gas prices are more than double ours here in the US. That and the fact that it is a lot more possible to put mass transit in the countries that are the size of our counties.
But it still begs the question: Why don't we put a decent mass transit system in OUR counties (ie the major urban centers).
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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/27/2008 2:29:45 PM
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But it still begs the question: Why don't we put a decent mass transit system in OUR counties (ie the major urban centers). You, as a resident of a major urban center, may be willing to pay 6, 7, 8 dollars a gallon to have the opportunity to get around town after the mass transit is put in, but I and others (many) like me who live outside of the cities would still be stuck driving to the outskirts of the city to our jobs and not have the mass transit available to us. I don't want to pay for your mass transit benefit when it doesn't benefit me in the least.
Now if you want to talk about something on the scale of the interstate highway system that works countrywide, I'm listening. But don't talk about something that branches out from the cities into outlaying areas, for the funds dry up real quick after the cities needs are met. I saw that firsthand with BART in the SF area.
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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/27/2008 2:47:53 PM
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But it still begs the question: Why don't we put a decent mass transit system in OUR counties (ie the major urban centers). You, as a resident of a major urban center, may be willing to pay 6, 7, 8 dollars a gallon to have the opportunity to get around town after the mass transit is put in, but I and others (many) like me who live outside of the cities would still be stuck driving to the outskirts of the city to our jobs and not have the mass transit available to us. I don't want to pay for your mass transit benefit when it doesn't benefit me in the least.
Now if you want to talk about something on the scale of the interstate highway system that works countrywide, I'm listening. But don't talk about something that branches out from the cities into outlaying areas, for the funds dry up real quick after the cities needs are met. I saw that firsthand with BART in the SF area.
CA has one of the highest state and federal gasoline taxes in the nation. The legislature steals from these funds that were supposed to go to maintain and build our transportation system to shore up funding for their other projects. Maybe if they first stop putting their hands in the cookie jar (like the feds do with Soc Sec) there would be enough money.
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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/27/2008 3:21:22 PM
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So do you want to trust our government to increase the taxes on the gasoline we need to use in order for supposed mass transit systems to be built?
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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/27/2008 3:39:59 PM
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So do you want to trust our government to increase the taxes on the gasoline we need to use in order for supposed mass transit systems to be built?
No. I stated that if the gov't stopped raiding funds earmarked for transportation then we might have enough funds.
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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/27/2008 4:00:44 PM
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So do you want to trust our government to increase the taxes on the gasoline we need to use in order for supposed mass transit systems to be built?
No. I stated that if the gov't stopped raiding funds earmarked for transportation then we might have enough funds.
And your other taxes would increase to the point of pain to pay for all the programs you seem to want those taxes to pay for. At least that is my take on your viewpoint from other threads. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
To be clear, I do not object to paying transportation taxes at the pump, but only if those funds are for what they are supposed to be for, our roadways. As it is here those funds go into the general fund and are used on everything else BUT our roads. I see it every day as I sit in jammed traffic while dodging the huge potholes.
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RE: Gas Prices Going Up!! - 3/27/2008 5:14:48 PM
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So do you want to trust our government to increase the taxes on the gasoline we need to use in order for supposed mass transit systems to be built?
No. I stated that if the gov't stopped raiding funds earmarked for transportation then we might have enough funds.
And your other taxes would increase to the point of pain to pay for all the programs you seem to want those taxes to pay for. At least that is my take on your viewpoint from other threads. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
To be clear, I do not object to paying transportation taxes at the pump, but only if those funds are for what they are supposed to be for, our roadways. As it is here those funds go into the general fund and are used on everything else BUT our roads. I see it every day as I sit in jammed traffic while dodging the huge potholes.
I hear you. It's not just where you live. It's the same everywhere.
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