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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/14/2008 2:34:08 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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You obviously are NOT related to a real soldier. Nor do know or support any...Good greif.
You are as "out there" as I originally suspected.
Holy COW.
i don't get it.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/14/2008 2:45:34 AM
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Melitac
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That doesn't suprise me....
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/14/2008 3:23:00 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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you don't want to explain?
what was the out there aspect of remarks toward military? or what you are objecting to?
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/14/2008 3:59:06 AM
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This thread was funny after the 2nd page.
It got even funnier when it made it to the 6th page.
Now it's just ridiculous.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/14/2008 4:03:28 AM
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Melitac,
Try switching to decaf.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/14/2008 8:33:52 AM
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I read a couple of Christian dating books over the weekend. One of the books advised AGAINST praying together during the "dating" phase. The reasoning was that praying together is almost considered just as intimate as sex. And that it makes it a little easier to cross the boundaries emotionally and end up being physically intimate. I wanted to get everybody's take on this? Opinions?
I certainly agree. I don't even think that dating should have anything at all to do with a Christian. Where does the Bible present dating as the way to get to know your spouse?
There is a sermon series on betrothal by a Baptist minister that I think is awesome. Please, investigate it if you're interested in understanding what the Bible has to say on this subject better. You'll find the series at the very bottom - scroll down!
http://www.biblepreaching.com/
The meaning of the word 'dating' has got NOTHING whatsoever to do with sin or immorality. having a date means nothing more than 'an appointment for a specified time, a social engagement between persons of the opposite sex.' I am so tired of people thinking that dating is a dirty word just because when the world dates they engage in immorality. If we are going to use the 'betrothal' method, at some point in time someone is going to have to 'date' or spend time with each other to find out what kind of person the other is.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/14/2008 12:40:39 PM
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wisdom is one thing, and it always lines up with the word, with due respect to your post. My pastor prays with me, nothing not one dirty thought has ran through my head. Men ans women in the upper room, and other places in the word prayed togather. I will pray fo wisdom, and ask the Lord to show me where this happened in the word, men and women praying togather.
You all are missing the point.  Of course there were no dirty thoughts that ran through your head because YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN DATING YOUR PASTOR. Everybody is missing the point here. This discussion is not focussed on whether or not two people are having dirty thoughts and avoiding praying together. We are talkin about in the event that two people meet and they ARE interested in dating one another and in the event that they are both attracted to eachother on various levels.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/14/2008 4:22:17 PM
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Striving, I fully understand your OP. Praying with someone I was attracted to would only serve to remind me of the holy and sovereign God I serve and be a warning against immorality. I cannot see how that would encourage it. It would be like standing before the judge in a court of law accused of assalting your neighbor and then suddenly attacking and murdering your neighbor right in front of the judge's bench. Surely you're going to jail now, the judge is right there!! He saw you do it.
If prayer is not serving to align you with God and His principles and righteousness--then we have to ask what we're doing anyway? Remember, they why of doing something is so much greater than the what of doing something. God's looking at the heart. The heathen prays too, and it brings them no more closer to God either. In fact, God won't even regard prayer if we regard iniquity in our heart. Check your motives--that's usually where the trouble starts. Motives spring from the heart. Examine your heart when you go to pray--whether it is with someone or without.
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wisdom is one thing, and it always lines up with the word, with due respect to your post. My pastor prays with me, nothing not one dirty thought has ran through my head. Men ans women in the upper room, and other places in the word prayed togather. I will pray fo wisdom, and ask the Lord to show me where this happened in the word, men and women praying togather.
You all are missing the point. Of course there were no dirty thoughts that ran through your head because YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN DATING YOUR PASTOR. Everybody is missing the point here. This discussion is not focussed on whether or not two people are having dirty thoughts and avoiding praying together. We are talkin about in the event that two people meet and they ARE interested in dating one another and in the event that they are both attracted to eachother on various levels.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/15/2008 11:06:05 PM
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wisdom is one thing, and it always lines up with the word, with due respect to your post. My pastor prays with me, nothing not one dirty thought has ran through my head. Men ans women in the upper room, and other places in the word prayed togather. I will pray fo wisdom, and ask the Lord to show me where this happened in the word, men and women praying togather.
Someone asked a question related to advice in a book. Some people said the advice was bad. Some people said the advice was good. That's the way the things go on forums, there is rarely full agreement.
But, it is very important for every one to get what was said as accurately as possible. In my own responses, I very specifically pointed to teenagers as being the most likely to have negative issues with praying together because of their inexperience, immaturity, emotional instability and the fact that the cognitive part of their brain was not finished developing. It had little to do with "Men and Women"... which, by that, I assume you mean people at least 18 and beyond. They are adults with adult facilities to think.
You will not find anywhere in the Bible, no matter how hard you look, unmarried men and women praying together alone. It just was NOT done. But, that neither helps nor hurts either side of the argument. It's just a cultural reality.
Even for conservative Synagogs, the practice of mixed seating is a relatively recent change. This is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Judaism
Conservative Judaism enjoyed rapid growth in the first half of the 20th century, becoming the largest American Jewish denomination. Its combination of modern innovation (such as mixed gender seating) and traditional practice particularly appealed to first and second-generation Eastern European Jewish immigrants, who found Orthodoxy too restrictive, but Reform Judaism foreign.
And, you'll remember that the first converts to Christianity were Jews. All of the branches of Judiasm in those days would subscribe to the laws and traditions of modern Orthodox Judaism... which, to this day not only separates men and women; but, separates them with a specific type of barrier... the Mechitza.
Some think that the call by Paul that the women be quiet in the church is because the women were physically separated from the men by a Mechitza or curtain and couldn't hear well. So, they were shouting out questions to clarify the message. I don't know for certain if that was true; but, it's certainly possible. The point is that it would be very unlikely for a man and a woman to pray together closely in any situation... and certainly not alone. And, history is very clear on that as reflected by the six historians quoted in the following online document.
There is an interesting document that cites six different books on early church history, as it relates to seating arrangements. Those interested in the reality of the early church's practices may be interested in reading it. Every one agrees that men and women were separated while worshipping. The reason why no one will find any reference in the Scriptures about men and women praying alone together is that there was no need to write about it. It would have simply been totally unthinkable and unimaginable in that era... as would be our modern concept of 'dating'.
It's probably safe to say that the resal discussion the early church fathers would be having on this issue is not praying together on dates; but, dating at all. It's pretty likely that they'd be horrified by the thought of it.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/15/2008 11:35:40 PM
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This thread was funny after the 2nd page.
It got even funnier when it made it to the 6th page.
Now it's just ridiculous.
Just be glad that you weren't a Bible College student in the 1960's. You'd be kicked out of school for holding hands!!! That was VERY common prior to the Vietnam War in all Christian institutions. The 1960's and early 1970's saw radical changes in both the world and the church with respect to acceptable male/female behaviour.
And, once again, I'm interested in how you are progressing with your video production skills. If I remember correctly that was among your interests.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 12:46:15 AM
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This is the post where I lied.
I deleted it to prevent more untrue thought.
I am sorry that I lied. 
Melissa T.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 12:51:15 AM
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Melitac
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More lies still.
(repenting now)
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 12:55:31 AM
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Corne
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I stand by;
"Where two ore more are gathered in My name, there am I...."
THIS is the "when, who and why" about prayer that is debated here.
Does that scripture mean that we must only pray with two or more gathered? Or that whenever two or more are in one place, they must pray before departing company?
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 1:04:38 AM
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Melitac
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corne,
What does that verse mean to you?
To me it means that He is there when two or more are praying.
But He is also with us whenever we pray.
This verse explains that God hears us when we pray together. It is believed by many (me included) that
joined prayer is very effective.
No matter who we are, what race, sex, or otherwise, God hears us when we pray together. And we SHOULD pray together. If we use nonsensical reasoning like "boys and girls shouldn't pray together, it's dangerous sexuality wise", that is putting human (man) limits on God and totally forgetting about the power of prayer and what it is in the first place.
Thats putting our abilities above God. And this is not scriptural. God is Sovereign. He can get around 2 teenagers praying together.
To think He cannot is not having good faith. IMO.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 1:08:59 AM
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Corne
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Did someone say God wouldn't hear the prayer?
Where is God when a Christian sins?
Does the sovereign God prevent us from sinning? or from being unwise when we choose to be?
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 1:16:08 AM
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Melitac
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A few here stand by the theory that prayer is dangerous for youths of opposing gender when they pray together. So they believe that they SHOULD NOT PRAY when together.
I believe God is present at all times. However, I cannot say that for all posting here.
I am sorry, I have the feeling you havent read the entire thread....
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 1:18:26 AM
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Corne
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I have.
I don't think that boy and girls praying in a group has been objected to.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 1:40:21 AM
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Melitac
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Correct. It has not.
It is (being REDUNDANT here) objected by some that 2 people (of opposite gender) should not pray alone together.
I have never seen that in scripture.
This is the last time I am stating this. Somebody posting here that hasn't done so before and just creating a circular argument is going nowhere.
I feel for those that wish to prove their point but cannot do so with scripture.
But for the sake of claricy, here is scripture that does NOT require that males and females
pray seperately.
(Matthew 18:20)
"For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them."
But also Matthew 18:6 is relevant here;
"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea,"
IMO, verse 6 says exactly what will happen to those that deter or otherwise discourage any youth from seeking Him...
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 1:45:00 AM
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Melitac
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corne;
Note the word "TWO".
Two is a group. It's two of course. But it is still just TWO=2. But not all alone. That would be just one person.
One = 1.
Male + female prayer (if alone and unmarried) is what is being debated. Thats still TWO(2) people praying together.
Now, "Two and three" is a genuine GROUP!
However, the verse reads "OR", not "and".
Regardless of the various translations. It is always "or".
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 1:54:06 AM
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Corne
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This is the last time I am stating this. Somebody posting here that hasn't done so before and just creating a circular argument is going nowhere.
The abilty to join this thread has expired?
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 1:57:48 AM
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Corne
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But also Matthew 18:6 is relevant here;
"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea,"
IMO, verse 6 says exactly what will happen to those that deter or otherwise discourage any youth from seeking Him...
Which post(s) discouraged teens from seeking God?
What if we were to advise a teen not to read his bible on the steep roof outside his bedroom? Would that be discouraging the teen from bible reading, or giving safety advice?
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 2:00:35 AM
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Melitac
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 2:04:38 AM
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Melitac
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If my teen were on a steep roof reading their Bible and they felt that was the only place they could do so....I think there might be deeper issues with my child to deal with instead of his or her reading the Word....
I'd be more worried about why they are on a roof. 
I am sorry if your child did this...
Thats very sad.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/16/2008 2:09:49 AM
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