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My response to this is the same as Cheney's when a reporter brought up the concerns of people over the war: So?

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I've seen you saying this all over the threads. Would you supply the link to that? And not the cartoon either, thanks.

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Vice President Dick Cheney had a different message. Informed during a Good Morning America interview broadcast Wednesday that two-thirds of Americans now think the war was not worth fighting, Cheney said: "So?"

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My response to this is the same as Cheney's when a reporter brought up the concerns of people over the war: So?

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I've seen you saying this all over the threads. Would you supply the link to that? And not the cartoon either, thanks.

Anytime and I'll lay off though the statement annoyed me obviously. :P

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Vice President Dick Cheney had a different message. Informed during a Good Morning America interview broadcast Wednesday that two-thirds of Americans now think the war was not worth fighting, Cheney said: "So?"

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Asked_about_US_opposition_to_war_0319.html

Not the greatest of links but it originated on Good Morning America.

Cow had a great link to a cartoon about it:

http://www.slate.com/id/2112318/fr/nl/

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"So you don't care what the American people think?" ABC's Martha Raddatz asked.

He added: "I think we cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations of the public opinion polls. There has in fact been fundamental change and transformation and improvement for the better. That's a huge accomplishment."

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The difference is that Cheney supports the troops.

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The difference is that Cheney supports the troops.

Myself and many others who are against the war are for the troops. It's not a difficult concept really.

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My response to this is the same as Cheney's when a reporter brought up the concerns of people over the war: So?

The difference is that Cheney supports the troops.

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My response to this is the same as Cheney's when a reporter brought up the concerns of people over the war: So?

The difference is that Cheney supports the troops.

ROFLOL. That's why he and Dumsfeld pulled Special Forces from Afghanistan (where Al Qaeda really was) to get them ready for Iraq (where Al Qaeda wasn't). Support? Baloney! Support isn't sabotaging the forces in Afghanistan to gear up for a war that didn't have to happen, yet. Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz have used the troops for their own personal agendas. That's not support.

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The difference is that Cheney supports the troops.

Myself and many others who are against the war are for the troops. It's not a difficult concept really.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get that concept. To support us, yet rally against our mission seems like a contradiction in terms to me.

IF I was against the war (which I'm not) I would not say so publically because of the demoralizing effect this has on our troops. How do I know this? I was there in 2003, and our commanders had a difficult time keeping morale up with all this mess reaching our ears about why the war was wrong. It seems everyone was so concerned with "being right" and making sure their voice was heard that nobody thought about what those voices were doing to the ones putting their lives on the line. Sad but true.
If you want to support soldiers, don't speak out against what they're doing. They had no choice in the matter.


ETA: And to say "Don't take it personally carries no weight with me at all until you've walked a mile in OUR boots and seen what it's like to be in harm's way and hear this coming from the people you hoped would support you. It's hard not to take personally.

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The difference is that Cheney supports the troops.

Myself and many others who are against the war are for the troops. It's not a difficult concept really.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get that concept. To support us, yet rally against our mission seems like a contradiction in terms to me.

IF I was against the war (which I'm not) I would not say so publically because of the demoralizing effect this has on our troops. How do I know this? I was there in 2003, and our commanders had a difficult time keeping morale up with all this mess reaching our ears about why the war was wrong. It seems everyone was so concerned with "being right" and making sure their voice was heard that nobody thought about what those voices were doing to the ones putting their lives on the line. Sad but true.
If you want to support soldiers, don't speak out against what they're doing. They had no choice in the matter.


ETA: And to say "Don't take it personally carries no weight with me at all until you've walked a mile in OUR boots and seen what it's like to be in harm's way and hear this coming from the people you hoped would support you. It's hard not to take personally.

With all due respect, Armydude, dissidence is not unpatriotic. The military serves the civilians, not vice versa. the US is not a military junta and the troops are not here to be used by narcissistic power-hungry politicians to advance their careers. Is Cheney's ego worth 4,000 dead soldiers and 25,000 or so wounded?

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Al Queda and the like do not need propoganda. That role is filled by people who insist that they "support the troops."

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I don't know anything about the presentation or group, so I have no opinion as to whether it was too political for a school presentation or not.

Tara P

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When asked whether the part about "rallying the country to complete the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan" could indeed be construed as political, Hegseth said that the group agreed not to advocate about the "progress made in Iraq and Afghanistan."

"It's Iraq and Afghan veterans talking about what they saw and what they did there, and about what it means to put on the uniform of your country," he said. The veterans started their bus tour in San Diego on March 14 and will end April 9 in New York City.

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I don't know anything about the presentation or group, so I have no opinion as to whether it was too political for a school presentation or not.

Tara P

Here ya go, from the article...

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When asked whether the part about "rallying the country to complete the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan" could indeed be construed as political, Hegseth said that the group agreed not to advocate about the "progress made in Iraq and Afghanistan."

"It's Iraq and Afghan veterans talking about what they saw and what they did there, and about what it means to put on the uniform of your country," he said. The veterans started their bus tour in San Diego on March 14 and will end April 9 in New York City.

To put on the uniform of your country. I guess that's too much for some.

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"The event was structured to be an academic classroom discussion around military service. We thought we'd provide an opportunity for kids to learn about service in the context of our history classes," Massey said.