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Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 4:10:49 PM
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solo_soprano22
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I'm wondering if those whose children are vaccinated feel that those who do not receive vaccinations are putting their children at risk of getting diseases? Does it ever concern you?
I don't want this to turn into a debate, please. I'm just asking a simple question, and tried to be succinct. I understand people have their reasons for not vaccinating; I'm asking, not for a personal belief, but from an ethics viewpoint (quite literally).
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 4:20:30 PM
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I've heard them make that complaint myself, however, in the US, your risk of coming down with a disease is about equal whether you are vaccinated or not. So it is an unreasonable complaint, IMO.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 4:38:54 PM
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Mrs.Wifey
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If the vaccines work and are effective, and you whole heartedly believe that then why would you worry? Seriously... and if you are worried about then ADMIT that vaccines might not be as effective as the media and most health care providers claim.
That is my biggest gripe with people who are pro-vax, or anti-delayed/selective vax.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 4:45:56 PM
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I was just about to ask that. It doesn't make sense to me. . .if vaccinations are really that effective then why would there be any concern about exposure in the first place?
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 4:54:03 PM
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Many do believe they are effective to the percent that they claim to be. The "risk" is in that small percentage that is left over. Then some think if little johnny over there catches measles (he was unvaccinated), then there's still that small percentage of their child's own vaccine not working. But unvaccinated johnny easily caught it and brought it to the vaccinated kids, etc. And johnny can spread it through the unvaccinated children quickly, maybe one or two vaccinated kids catch it. Something like that. But things like that have happened in a few states on a few occasions.
Again though, I don't mean for the thread to get in too deep; vaccine threads always seem to turn ugly.
I'm only asking if "vaccinating" parents ever give thought to this "risk" from others who aren't vaccinated-- whether it's big or small in their minds (or non-existent).
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 4:55:43 PM
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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey
If the vaccines work and are effective, and you whole heartedly believe that then why would you worry? Seriously... and if you are worried about then ADMIT that vaccines might not be as effective as the media and most health care providers claim.
That is my biggest gripe with people who are pro-vax, or anti-delayed/selective vax.
But the thing is 90-95% of the population have to be vaccinated for the vaccines to take effect. Meaning, if 90-95% of the population ain't vaccinated, we're going to slowly see these childhood epidemics come back that can simply be protected by a simple vaccine.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 8:02:09 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: JesKlu
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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey
If the vaccines work and are effective, and you whole heartedly believe that then why would you worry? Seriously... and if you are worried about then ADMIT that vaccines might not be as effective as the media and most health care providers claim.
That is my biggest gripe with people who are pro-vax, or anti-delayed/selective vax.
But the thing is 90-95% of the population have to be vaccinated for the vaccines to take effect. Meaning, if 90-95% of the population ain't vaccinated, we're going to slowly see these childhood epidemics come back that can simply be protected by a simple vaccine.
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica
where is the research to back that claim up?
Tamara....we do not vax now...you know that...but we did at one point. We had to come to terms with this on our own front though....and from everything I have prayed about and found in research we did not find that our kids would pose a risk to those that were vax'd to the point that we need to cause the possible side affects that they have and vax them.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 9:44:17 PM
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I remember learning about herd immunity in school, not sure if I agree with it (or even understand it fully) but it is what most in the medical field believe.
We are selective/delayed vaccinators. I know that even with the things my daughter has been vaccinated against, there is a risk that she could still get sick. I don't worry about other kids who haven't been vaccinated. It's like with the flu vaccine - you know that it is not 100% and is only for certain flu strains (which we see more of with each year). If my daughter did have the flu vaccine and she still got the flu, I wouldn't blame it on someone who did not get the vaccine, I would blame it on the fact that our vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing the disease (or illness) completely.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 9:57:34 PM
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I have a child who is at high risk of complications from any major illness. He is fully vaccinated and our other kids are too, though we are starting to delay some of the vaccines with our youngest and the next baby coming They will likely still be done by the time they are 3 or 4.
The only time I have an issue with someone not vaccinating and possibly putting other kids at risk is when they are in school and refuse to be vaccinated. I strongly believe if you are going to send your kids to a school setting, the major vaccines need to be done. If you don't want to do that...keep them home.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 10:08:17 PM
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Donna, I'm curious - is your oldest the one who is in public school? Are you able to find out if the other kids in his class have all been vaccinated? Your situation with your son being at risk never occured to me.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 10:31:31 PM
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We prefer natural immunity to chicken pox, as the vaccine has such a high failure rate and IMO can end up creating a false sense of security in teenagers and adults who are the highest risk for complications of chickenpox. DD won't get the Vax until she is 12-13, and even then we'll have her titered to check her immunity first.
ETA- I am active on a very, very anti-vax forum and Chicken Pox is the *only* disease that people try and acquire a natural immunity for.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 10:51:08 PM
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The only time I have an issue with someone not vaccinating and possibly putting other kids at risk is when they are in school and refuse to be vaccinated. I strongly believe if you are going to send your kids to a school setting, the major vaccines need to be done. If you don't want to do that...keep them home.
I agree to a point with that....which is another reason we hs...lol. If you want to use the system that is set up though, you need to be willing ti follow their rules. However, I do not agree with schools being the legal pushers and making someone who has real reasons to not vax (that are backed up by the state they live in as being legal for them) being pushed into is just because they choose to use the school system. The state you live in has their own legality of non-vax'ing set up...and I believe schools should follow those, not expect everyone to just bow down to their own wishes.
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ETA: I didn't know some people who don't vaccinate will try to give their kids the disease. I mean, I've heard of that with chicken pox, but not measles, etc. I'd think, with stuff like that, people would try to prevent it. I guess any way to build immunity.
chicken pox is not a disease, it is an illness....and if I had the choice of giving my child a vax that might last ten years then they would need a booster, or them getting the illness and being immune then for the rest of their lives, then to me it makes more sense to not get the vax. Also, as Ryanne mentioned in passing...some people are naturally immune to them, so there is not a need for them to get vax'd but dr's don't generally test for that before they want to dose up a child with that vax....unnecessary IMO.
However, I will say, that something like measles is different IMO...I wouldn't want my kids to have to go through that...but that's my choice. I have never met someone who purposely wanted to expose their kids to that in order to get them immune to it...that sounds like a kooky person.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 11:02:04 PM
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solo_soprano22
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I refer to any illness/disorder/disease as a disease, but I think it's okay because of the literal definition of "disease." It has several (actually many) different meanings and definitions that are correct, whether it's chronic or acute.
Edited for spelling. :)
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/26/2008 11:37:09 PM
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The only time I have an issue with someone not vaccinating and possibly putting other kids at risk is when they are in school and refuse to be vaccinated. I strongly believe if you are going to send your kids to a school setting, the major vaccines need to be done. If you don't want to do that...keep them home.
Donna, In my youngest ds's grade at his school there are two boys, same family, (not twins but exactly a year apart in age) that I know of for sure that are not fully vaccinated. There could be more but I know for sure of these two and the reason their parents decided to stop their vaccinations when they were just infants. I understand the reasons and I'm okay with it. Their dr. backs their decision and the school's policy is that they follow the state's ruling on this that their are exceptions both medical and religious that parents can claim for not having their child vaccinated prior to starting school.
I, like Donna, vaccinate because I have one with health issues that can be pretty dangerous if my little guy gets sick, especially with anything that attacks the respitory system. All my kids are vaccinated because I don't need them bringing anything home either. We have enough of the flu's and head colds and the basic stuff to contend with. Anything bigger then that - I'm hoping to avoid if I can.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/27/2008 1:10:06 AM
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We delay ours, but they will be "caught up" by the time they start school, except chickenpox. I do plan to keep my kids at home while they have chickenpox though. Hopefully someone will invite us to a chickenpox party during the summer months, so they won't have to miss school.
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The only time I have an issue with someone not vaccinating and possibly putting other kids at risk is when they are in school and refuse to be vaccinated. I strongly believe if you are going to send your kids to a school setting, the major vaccines need to be done. If you don't want to do that...keep them home.
I pretty much agree with this too. Same with daycare. When I finally felt stable enough about not having to work, I began delaying vaccines knowing the kids wouldn't have to put in daycare.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/27/2008 7:52:06 AM
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Donna, I'm curious - is your oldest the one who is in public school? Are you able to find out if the other kids in his class have all been vaccinated? Your situation with your son being at risk never occured to me.
He's in Christian school. There are only 75 kids preschool-12. AFAIK, all are vaccinated, but if not, at least it is not a huge school setting.
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However, I do not agree with schools being the legal pushers and making someone who has real reasons to not vax (that are backed up by the state they live in as being legal for them) being pushed into is just because they choose to use the school system. The state you live in has their own legality of non-vax'ing set up...and I believe schools should follow those, not expect everyone to just bow down to their own wishes.
Let me clarify...my cousin's little boy has had kidney and immune issues since birth. He attends the public school and has had no vaccines because his system is too weak to handle it. I have NO problem with parents of children with real medical issues choosing the risk of sending them to ps (I personally wouldn't, with a child that ill). It's the parents who don't vaccinate with no good MEDICAL reason that I believe are wrong to send their kids to public school, because they are putting kids like my cousin's son, who are unable to vaccinate, at a much higher risk. All of the parents I personally know who do not vaccinate or only do a few, are also homeschoolers, so it's not really an issue for them because they are not around a whole bunch of other kids all the time.
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