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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 1:58:04 PM
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solo_soprano22
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actually no...the reason we are able to is because the LAW still says we can are perfectly capable of choosing not to if we want to!!!
Legally yes. But you're missing the main point.
The reason it is safe for you to choose not to vaccinate is because most other parents have. If it were a choice between possibly triggering autism or almost certainly getting something nasty like polio, the decision would be much more difficult.
no...you're not getting it. I don't fit into a little box...and no matter how many times you try to put me and our decision into it, that's not how it is. The reason it is safest for us to not vax is because of medical reasons that make my kids at higher risk for averse reactions to those things in vax's...it has nothing to do with whether someone else does or doesn't...MY kids are at higher risk WITH the vax then without it...medically speaking.
No one is talking about you specifically.  You made it personal in post #33 and she responded to you down further on the page. We were talking about populations in general.
The quote is being misunderstood greatly. It's primarily used by the science/medical community, and I assume they know what is and is not included in the statement. I think we assumed that everyone knew, but they don't. The misunderstanding is causing all kinds of assumptions that no one is making in here.
Like I said before, I don't want this thread to get deep. I asked one question in the OP, and if you want to elaborate, you may. I don't want people who can't vaccinate to use this thread for something else. Every vaccine thread has to get ugly, but I want one that doesn't. I said it in the OP; I said it in replies.
If someone wants to debate or justify the decision to vaccinate or not to vaccinate, there are plenty of places to do that. I'm tired of vaccine threads going awry. Just start a new one with a different vaccine topic. I'm not trying to be mean, but not every thread needs to get like that. Really. 
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 2:29:32 PM
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I suppose very few, if any, other people posting on this thread are old enough to remember these  but when I was young there was a TV public service announcement regarding the measles vax...MMR I think.
Anyway, it showed a joyful mom-to-be rubbing her belly and glazing off into space while the voice over told the sad story that her baby would be born severely handicapped. It seems one of his big brother's playmates would, tomorrow, know that he had measles. Today mom had gone into the classroom and been exposed...before anyone knew the friend was sick.
Hadn't thought of that in years but this thread brought it to mind. If you don't vax are you at all concerned that:
a) your child's potential illness could harm another woman's unborn child.
b) your unvax'ed daughters could be at high risk when they are child-bearing age, in the event of an epidemic...such as the one that occurred a few years ago in Minn. ?
Just curious since, when I was younger, the threat to pregnant women was a huge factor for many mothers when it came to vax'ing their own kids.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 3:04:13 PM
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Rubella, or German Measles, is the R in MMR and is the problem-maker for pregnant women. However, pregnant women are now routinely tested for susceptibility to Rubella (because vaccines don't protect you forever!). I know I was, fifteen years ago. My CNM told me that they would not vaccinate during pregnancy as it could harm the baby (but somehow there's no risk a week after he's born?) but if there was an outbreak then they WOULD vaccinate me...there was no outbreak, of course, so they gave me a shot at my 1 week postpartum checkup.
Hmm..since it's been fifteen years, I am probably no longer immune. I know it had only been 12 years between my last MMR and that pregnancy.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 3:09:50 PM
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Rubella, or German Measles, is the R in MMR and is the problem-maker for pregnant women. However, pregnant women are now routinely tested for susceptibility to Rubella (because vaccines don't protect you forever!). I know I was, fifteen years ago. My CNM told me that they would not vaccinate during pregnancy as it could harm the baby (but somehow there's no risk a week after he's born?) but if there was an outbreak then they WOULD vaccinate me...there was no outbreak, of course, so they gave me a shot at my 1 week postpartum checkup.
Hmm..since it's been fifteen years, I am probably no longer immune. I know it had only been 12 years between my last MMR and that pregnancy.
Exactly. And if a woman is being responsible and following the CDC's guidelines for vaccinations then she is getting her MMR and is therefore not at risk.
DD probably will get more vaccinations then she is getting now when she is older and able to tell us if she feels "off".
Btw, I bumped up the Vaccine debate thread.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 4:26:02 PM
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I am not trying to debate...and the question was to those that do vax...which we used to....so I have a right to be in here and answer that question....which I did. The person I was quoting originally has NOT come back in here to elaborate on what they said in that post...someone else was saying what they thought about what that person said, but was taking what I was saying (not to them) out of context. The person I was originally quoting has not been back in here though...so I don't see why someone else feels they must be right in what the other person meant. If they meant that then they chose a bad way of saying it, because that's NOT how it came across.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 6:04:24 PM
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The reason it is safe for you to choose not to vaccinate is because most other parents have
This is an interesting point. If Polio was still prevelant would you still wait to vax?
This was actually how we figured out how we would delay certain shots and get others. I might have mentioned in an earlier post that we space them out, so they're only getting one or two shots per appointment. We decided to delay the polio shot because we are at a very low risk for it here in the states. I can honestly say that I am grateful to those parents who do vaccinate because if everyone decided that they didn't want to vaccinate, disease would take us over. I don't really see that as wrong. Most babies are just fine with shots, but one ofmine isn't. He gets a rash and high fever, and it seems to bother him a lot
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 8:25:11 PM
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I'm sure it has to be a difficult decision for parents who are in areas where these serious diseases are still a very real concern. If you know that your child may be predisposed to autism or some other serious reaction, do you chance the reaction or do you chance polio? I mean FDR did pretty well even with polio, but I'm sure he would've preferred the vaccine.
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I can honestly say that I am grateful to those parents who do vaccinate because if everyone decided that they didn't want to vaccinate, disease would take us over.
And that is the main point I was trying to make. For those parents whose children do have serious reactions to vaccines, they can refuse vaccination, and rest a bit easier knowing that the vast majority of the population will not expose their child to a serious illness.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 9:36:57 PM
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Well, why would the parents be mad if their children were vaccinated and therefore protected? If their children were not vaccinated and they got the mumps, then the parents have only themselves to blame.
Or are you saying that even vaccinated children got mumps?
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 9:51:25 PM
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Sorry, I don't remember the details. I think if you searched the web for "mumps outbreak" you may find it. I believe it happened in 2006 in the Midwest, Iowa having the most.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 10:59:19 PM
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There is a poster in my child's pediatrician's office about the Iowa mumps outbreak that says that it was caused by people who chose not to let their child get an MMR vaccination. BUT, the story about it on the CDC's website says this:
Of the 133 patients with investigated vaccine history, 87 (65%) had documentation of receiving 2 doses, 19 (14%) 1 dose, and eight (6%) no doses; vaccine status could not be documented in 19 (14%) patients.
Sounds like it didn't matter if they were vaccinated or not. Actually the highest % of people who got sick were vaccinated.
HERE's the link.
I wonder if any of these people who did get sick and were vaccinated just did not seroconvert? Wonder if any of them had blood tests to check their anitbody titers.
So far I have vaxed according to our pediatrician's schedule, but some of them make me nervous. I don't know if I'll try to delay in the future or not. I've never thought to worry about my child being around another child who is not vaccinated before. Interesting thread. For now, especially since my daughter is up to date on her shots, I'm not worried about it. Honestly, if I did decide to ask to delay any, it might be something I worry about.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/29/2008 11:08:26 PM
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48% of the people who got mumps were between 17-25(probably the majority of them were in the 1-2 does frame), which is when you should be getting a MMR booster shot, the CDC wouldn't recommend it if the vaccines lasted forever. So really, if people were still on top of their schedule they would have been fine. Also, according the CDC there is no known cause of the outbreak.
FWIW, we do vaccinate, just on a much slower schedule. DD will probably be "up to date" when she is 3.
I know for *me*, when the CDC publishes changes in their vaccination guidelines for adults I usually go get whatever is recommended but I don't have awful reactions to vaccinations anymore.
ETA- I know in Colorado that because Gabby is "exempt" from certain vaccinations, if she were still that way in grade school and there was an outbreak of something she wasn't vaccinated for then we would have to keep her at home for a certain time frame until the outbreak is over.
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RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others - 3/31/2008 11:46:23 AM
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Closing this duplicate topic.
Here's a link to a more used thread:
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