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solo_soprano22 -> Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 4:10:49 PM)

I'm wondering if those whose children are vaccinated feel that those who do not receive vaccinations are putting their children at risk of getting diseases? Does it ever concern you?

I don't want this to turn into a debate, please. I'm just asking a simple question, and tried to be succinct. I understand people have their reasons for not vaccinating; I'm asking, not for a personal belief, but from an ethics viewpoint (quite literally).



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 4:20:05 PM)

Nope.

I respect people's reasons for not vaccinating, and I'm not concerned for my children's safety.



Jenny-Fair -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 4:20:30 PM)

I've heard them make that complaint myself, however, in the US, your risk of coming down with a disease is about equal whether you are vaccinated or not. So it is an unreasonable complaint, IMO.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 4:38:54 PM)

If the vaccines work and are effective, and you whole heartedly believe that then why would you worry? Seriously... and if you are worried about then ADMIT that vaccines might not be as effective as the media and most health care providers claim.

That is my biggest gripe with people who are pro-vax, or anti-delayed/selective vax.



clag4christ -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 4:43:05 PM)

If child A is vaccinated against a disease that child B contracts how exactly is child A going to 'get that disease'?



dance4joy -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 4:45:56 PM)

I was just about to ask that. It doesn't make sense to me. . .if vaccinations are really that effective then why would there be any concern about exposure in the first place?



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 4:54:03 PM)

Many do believe they are effective to the percent that they claim to be. The "risk" is in that small percentage that is left over. Then some think if little johnny over there catches measles (he was unvaccinated), then there's still that small percentage of their child's own vaccine not working. But unvaccinated johnny easily caught it and brought it to the vaccinated kids, etc. And johnny can spread it through the unvaccinated children quickly, maybe one or two vaccinated kids catch it. Something like that. But things like that have happened in a few states on a few occasions.

Again though, I don't mean for the thread to get in too deep; vaccine threads always seem to turn ugly.

I'm only asking if "vaccinating" parents ever give thought to this "risk" from others who aren't vaccinated-- whether it's big or small in their minds (or non-existent).



JesKlu -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 4:55:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey

If the vaccines work and are effective, and you whole heartedly believe that then why would you worry? Seriously... and if you are worried about then ADMIT that vaccines might not be as effective as the media and most health care providers claim.

That is my biggest gripe with people who are pro-vax, or anti-delayed/selective vax.



But the thing is 90-95% of the population have to be vaccinated for the vaccines to take effect. Meaning, if 90-95% of the population ain't vaccinated, we're going to slowly see these childhood epidemics come back that can simply be protected by a simple vaccine.

Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica



peculiar_lady2 -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 8:02:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JesKlu

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey

If the vaccines work and are effective, and you whole heartedly believe that then why would you worry? Seriously... and if you are worried about then ADMIT that vaccines might not be as effective as the media and most health care providers claim.

That is my biggest gripe with people who are pro-vax, or anti-delayed/selective vax.



But the thing is 90-95% of the population have to be vaccinated for the vaccines to take effect. Meaning, if 90-95% of the population ain't vaccinated, we're going to slowly see these childhood epidemics come back that can simply be protected by a simple vaccine.

Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica

where is the research to back that claim up?

Tamara....we do not vax now...you know that...but we did at one point. We had to come to terms with this on our own front though....and from everything I have prayed about and found in research we did not find that our kids would pose a risk to those that were vax'd to the point that we need to cause the possible side affects that they have and vax them.



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 9:23:28 PM)

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But the thing is 90-95% of the population have to be vaccinated for the vaccines to take effect. Meaning, if 90-95% of the population ain't vaccinated, we're going to slowly see these childhood epidemics come back that can simply be protected by a simple vaccine.


I am a vax-ing mom. But this just doesn't make any sense to me at all. [&:]

We don't vaccinate by crop dusting and hoping it'll hit enough kids and work. Vaccines are given individually and supposedly effective for the individual.

If 90% of the population weren't vaccinated, and there was an epidemic, it wasn't because they put vaccinated kids at risk, it was because they weren't vaccinated, and got sick. And that small percent who were vaccinated would still have the protection an individual vaccine provides.



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 9:30:44 PM)

That actually has a name. They do think it's best that 90% of the population (at least) is vaccinated..I guess "they" is medicine (in the general sense). It's called "herd immunity." Well, if I'm not mistaken with my words.

I'm sure if you google it or something, something will come up. I've seen charts that have "effectiveness" percentages on them, and if I'm not mistaken, the highest I saw was like 95%....so I think the 90-95% is supposed to mirror that.

ETA: The point they're trying to make is that a tiny part of the population (and only a tiny part) can be unvaccinated for it to "work." I'm not sure if the name came from literal herds or not. I'm thinking probably so though. [8|]



lexie -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 9:44:17 PM)

I remember learning about herd immunity in school, not sure if I agree with it (or even understand it fully) but it is what most in the medical field believe.

We are selective/delayed vaccinators. I know that even with the things my daughter has been vaccinated against, there is a risk that she could still get sick. I don't worry about other kids who haven't been vaccinated. It's like with the flu vaccine - you know that it is not 100% and is only for certain flu strains (which we see more of with each year). If my daughter did have the flu vaccine and she still got the flu, I wouldn't blame it on someone who did not get the vaccine, I would blame it on the fact that our vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing the disease (or illness) completely.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 9:57:34 PM)

I have a child who is at high risk of complications from any major illness. He is fully vaccinated and our other kids are too, though we are starting to delay some of the vaccines with our youngest and the next baby coming They will likely still be done by the time they are 3 or 4.

The only time I have an issue with someone not vaccinating and possibly putting other kids at risk is when they are in school and refuse to be vaccinated. I strongly believe if you are going to send your kids to a school setting, the major vaccines need to be done. If you don't want to do that...keep them home.



lexie -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 10:08:17 PM)

Donna, I'm curious - is your oldest the one who is in public school? Are you able to find out if the other kids in his class have all been vaccinated? Your situation with your son being at risk never occured to me.



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 10:11:00 PM)

Lexie, I was actually wondering that myself when I asked. [8|] (About being able to find out if everyone's vaccinated in a class if your child is there.)

ETA: I didn't know some people who don't vaccinate will try to give their kids the disease. [&:] I mean, I've heard of that with chicken pox, but not measles, etc. I'd think, with stuff like that, people would try to prevent it. I guess any way to build immunity. [8|]



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 10:31:31 PM)

We prefer natural immunity to chicken pox, as the vaccine has such a high failure rate and IMO can end up creating a false sense of security in teenagers and adults who are the highest risk for complications of chickenpox. DD won't get the Vax until she is 12-13, and even then we'll have her titered to check her immunity first.

ETA- I am active on a very, very anti-vax forum and Chicken Pox is the *only* disease that people try and acquire a natural immunity for.



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 10:38:10 PM)

Yeah, that's why I was surpised. I just read about a woman who wanted to do it for measles. [&:] She said she didn't because she was scared that if her son got it, the other kids would "ostracize" him.



peculiar_lady2 -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 10:51:08 PM)

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The only time I have an issue with someone not vaccinating and possibly putting other kids at risk is when they are in school and refuse to be vaccinated. I strongly believe if you are going to send your kids to a school setting, the major vaccines need to be done. If you don't want to do that...keep them home.

I agree to a point with that....which is another reason we hs...lol. If you want to use the system that is set up though, you need to be willing ti follow their rules. However, I do not agree with schools being the legal pushers and making someone who has real reasons to not vax (that are backed up by the state they live in as being legal for them) being pushed into is just because they choose to use the school system. The state you live in has their own legality of non-vax'ing set up...and I believe schools should follow those, not expect everyone to just bow down to their own wishes.

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ETA: I didn't know some people who don't vaccinate will try to give their kids the disease. I mean, I've heard of that with chicken pox, but not measles, etc. I'd think, with stuff like that, people would try to prevent it. I guess any way to build immunity.

chicken pox is not a disease, it is an illness....and if I had the choice of giving my child a vax that might last ten years then they would need a booster, or them getting the illness and being immune then for the rest of their lives, then to me it makes more sense to not get the vax. Also, as Ryanne mentioned in passing...some people are naturally immune to them, so there is not a need for them to get vax'd but dr's don't generally test for that before they want to dose up a child with that vax....unnecessary IMO.
However, I will say, that something like measles is different IMO...I wouldn't want my kids to have to go through that...but that's my choice. I have never met someone who purposely wanted to expose their kids to that in order to get them immune to it...that sounds like a kooky person.



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 11:02:04 PM)

I refer to any illness/disorder/disease as a disease, but I think it's okay because of the literal definition of "disease." It has several (actually many) different meanings and definitions that are correct, whether it's chronic or acute.

Edited for spelling. :)



garsyt -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/26/2008 11:37:09 PM)

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The only time I have an issue with someone not vaccinating and possibly putting other kids at risk is when they are in school and refuse to be vaccinated. I strongly believe if you are going to send your kids to a school setting, the major vaccines need to be done. If you don't want to do that...keep them home.


Donna, In my youngest ds's grade at his school there are two boys, same family, (not twins but exactly a year apart in age) that I know of for sure that are not fully vaccinated. There could be more but I know for sure of these two and the reason their parents decided to stop their vaccinations when they were just infants. I understand the reasons and I'm okay with it. Their dr. backs their decision and the school's policy is that they follow the state's ruling on this that their are exceptions both medical and religious that parents can claim for not having their child vaccinated prior to starting school.

I, like Donna, vaccinate because I have one with health issues that can be pretty dangerous if my little guy gets sick, especially with anything that attacks the respitory system. All my kids are vaccinated because I don't need them bringing anything home either. We have enough of the flu's and head colds and the basic stuff to contend with. Anything bigger then that - I'm hoping to avoid if I can.

Blessings,

Garsy



Mrs.X -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/27/2008 1:10:06 AM)

We delay ours, but they will be "caught up" by the time they start school, except chickenpox. I do plan to keep my kids at home while they have chickenpox though. Hopefully someone will invite us to a chickenpox party during the summer months, so they won't have to miss school.

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The only time I have an issue with someone not vaccinating and possibly putting other kids at risk is when they are in school and refuse to be vaccinated. I strongly believe if you are going to send your kids to a school setting, the major vaccines need to be done. If you don't want to do that...keep them home.

I pretty much agree with this too. Same with daycare. When I finally felt stable enough about not having to work, I began delaying vaccines knowing the kids wouldn't have to put in daycare.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/27/2008 7:52:06 AM)

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Donna, I'm curious - is your oldest the one who is in public school? Are you able to find out if the other kids in his class have all been vaccinated? Your situation with your son being at risk never occured to me.


He's in Christian school. There are only 75 kids preschool-12. AFAIK, all are vaccinated, but if not, at least it is not a huge school setting.

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However, I do not agree with schools being the legal pushers and making someone who has real reasons to not vax (that are backed up by the state they live in as being legal for them) being pushed into is just because they choose to use the school system. The state you live in has their own legality of non-vax'ing set up...and I believe schools should follow those, not expect everyone to just bow down to their own wishes.


Let me clarify...my cousin's little boy has had kidney and immune issues since birth. He attends the public school and has had no vaccines because his system is too weak to handle it. I have NO problem with parents of children with real medical issues choosing the risk of sending them to ps (I personally wouldn't, with a child that ill). It's the parents who don't vaccinate with no good MEDICAL reason that I believe are wrong to send their kids to public school, because they are putting kids like my cousin's son, who are unable to vaccinate, at a much higher risk. All of the parents I personally know who do not vaccinate or only do a few, are also homeschoolers, so it's not really an issue for them because they are not around a whole bunch of other kids all the time.



Georgia-Peach -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/27/2008 8:01:53 AM)

I am jumping in blindly...

But, no I am not concerned that children who are not vaccinated are going to pass a diease on to my child who is vaccinated. For one if vaccinated he should not be able to contact it anyway. But, also I am having to learn daily (though it is so hard) to place my child in the Lord's hands and no that he is watching over him.



Sunnymom -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/27/2008 8:23:51 AM)

My kids are immunized on a delayed schedule. I am not worried about those who aren't immunized, as there are immigrants from other countries who aren't immunized either, I can't control who my kids are exposed to in public, and immunizations are sometimes not effective and many do not offer lifetime immunity, so even folks who were immunized aren't 'safe'.

You can be tested to see what you are immune to- they often do this when you're pregnant or planning to become pregnant, as your childhood vaccines are often not going to keep you from contracting something while you are pregnant, and of course we all know what some of these diseases can do to an unborn infant.

So even if you support immunizations for all, you must also expect folks to keep to a testing and booster schedule. I'd rather wrestle in a vat of angel hair pasta.[8D]



lexie -> RE: Vaccinated children and risk from others (3/27/2008 10:22:02 AM)

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It's the parents who don't vaccinate with no good MEDICAL reason that I believe are wrong to send their kids to public school, because they are putting kids like my cousin's son, who are unable to vaccinate, at a much higher risk.


Completely agree Donna. We are delaying vaccinations, and the MMR is one that Akeelah has not had yet. Our doctor said that it's fine with the province and schools that she's not vaccinated against it as long as we keep her home if there is an outbreak of one of them. I thought that was strange that they were so casual about it. What if my daughter contracted it and was in school before we knew, who knows who she could have spread it to. (Our kids will have all of the necessary vaccinations for school before they go, we're just on a schedule so they only get one shot at a time).

This also makes me think of something that happened to my husband when we were in university. One day he got a random letter from the City telling him that someone in one of his classes a few years earlier had contracted TB while in the class. Dh went for testing and found that he had TB in his system. He ended up taking two sets of antibiotics for 9 months. Who knows how many people were infected by this guy (considering it was a public university of 11,000 people, and Dh was in only one class with this guy). Fortunately, the drugs were paid for by the City, because Dh wouldn't have been able to afford them on a university student's income.



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