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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/20/2008 3:16:28 PM
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Have you ever unwittingly offended someone by your remarks? That is the same as being unaware of your offence. You thought you had said the right thing, but you managed to offend someone. This becomes a sin according to James. Therefore it must be confessed and repented of, even though you were not aware of how or why you offended. I apologize, Ezra, for not making myself any clearer. This example of "unwitting offense" fails to answer the basic question. How do we confess and repent for an action done in unwitting ignorance?
We cannot confess of that which we are unaware. But I believe that 1 John 1:9 covers the "unknown (to us) sins" by the phrase "and all unrighteousness". iow, when we confess those sins we are aware of, God forgives those, and also cleanses us from all unrighteousness.
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Is it sin before we discover that someone felt offended?
Yes, sin is sin, whether we recognize it or not.
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Did that someone sin by misinterpreting our intention, even though we "said the right thing"? Does it become sin only when we realize the consequence?
Sin is sin. I think the issue is, what do you do when you do become aware of your sin? You need to confess it and also make it right with the one you sinned against.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/20/2008 3:28:45 PM
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Sin is sin. I think the issue is, what do you do when you do become aware of your sin? You need to confess it and also make it right with the one you sinned against. First off, FreeGrace, I really appreciate your explanation of forgiveness and cleansing in the exegesis of 1 John 1:9. This has been the single most important truth I've learned from this thread.
Now that the warm fuzzies are behind us, I wish I could agree with your oversimplification that sin is sin. How can anyone "make right" the perceptions or misunderstandings of someone else? Ezra specifically described an example of "the right thing being said" but the hearer took offense anyway. I am NOT responsible for other folk's attitudinal problems. I am responsible for sensitivity, discernment, compassion, forgiveness, patience, and other Christ-like relational graces in my daily living. If I took offense at everyone who's ever complained at me on these discussion boards, half the posters here would be sinners just from that scenario alone! This is an untenable and unbiblical conception of sin!
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/20/2008 3:40:56 PM
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Sin is sin. I think the issue is, what do you do when you do become aware of your sin? You need to confess it and also make it right with the one you sinned against. First off, FreeGrace, I really appreciate your explanation of forgiveness and cleansing in the exegesis of 1 John 1:9. This has been the single most important truth I've learned from this thread.
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Now that the warm fuzzies are behind us, I wish I could agree with your oversimplification that sin is sin. How can anyone "make right" the perceptions or misunderstandings of someone else?
Only when it has come to your attention. That's what I meant by what I said. As long as we remain "in the dark" about that sin, we cannot know it was sin and others were hurt by it. I agree with rc about the Holy Spirit making known to us such sins. He certainly will IF we ask Him to. How could He refuse such a request, considering 1 John 5:14 and 15.
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Ezra specifically described an example of "the right thing being said" but the hearer took offense anyway. I am NOT responsible for other folk's attitudinal problems. I am responsible for sensitivity, discernment, compassion, forgiveness, patience, and other Christ-like relational graces in my daily living. If I took offense at everyone who's ever complained at me on these discussion boards, half the posters here would be sinners just from that scenario alone! This is an untenable and unbiblical conception of sin!
I agree! However, the real issue, I think, is when you actually become aware of the fact that something you said DID offend someone else.
In fact, that just happened to me on another thread. I made a comment to a new poster which was taken in offense. When the poster let me know it was offensive, I immediately apologized.
I think you may be thinking of times when people are offended when in fact they are just being way too hypersensitive. I think in that case, they have the problem, and there is no sin involved. But, regardless, if you become aware that they were offended, I think it wise to offer your apologies for offending them, even though they have the problem with being too hypersensitive.
Hope that clarifies.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/21/2008 8:24:50 AM
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Are you aware of what happens when we are born from above or born of the Spirit?
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. (1John 3:9)
Paul confirms this;
But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. (Rom 7)
The spirit of a man, which is what we are, spirits, can no longer sin because that spirit has been saved. God isn't concerned with sin in us anymore because we have been saved already. Now, we through the Holy Spirits guidance guides us to walk after Him and not after the flesh where sin resides. When God sees us He sees Jesus. It's about our sin nature being changed not the sin you may commite
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/21/2008 8:48:59 AM
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Can we say "legalistic?" Come on y'all! We all sin, and like slipping out a curse word or a fleeting bad thought, it's part of our humanity.
The good news....the blood covered it all.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/21/2008 12:17:38 PM
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The spirit of a man, which is what we are, spirits, can no longer sin because that spirit has been saved. God isn't concerned with sin in us anymore because we have been saved already. x0846, are you aware that this false dichotomy borders on gnostic heresy? God is ALWAYS concerned "with sin in us", otherwise why are there dozens of exhortations to be holy, pure, righteous, perfect, etc?
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Now, we through the Holy Spirits guidance guides us to walk after Him and not after the flesh where sin resides. The Holy Spirit is not some kind of spiritual guide offering suggestions for avoiding our sinful flesh! The Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Triune Godhead Who indwells the sanctified Believer providing victory over sin, power to witness, and grace to grow more Christ-like in His Love every day.
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When God sees us He sees Jesus. It's about our sin nature being changed not the sin you may commite Salvation does NOT cause God to lose His eyesight! He does not merely change our sinful nature, God cleanses us from all sin and unrighteousness (1 John 1:7-9) so that our whole spirit, soul, and body will be kept blameless for eternity (1 Thess 5:23). We will not commit sin, if our sinful nature is cleansed, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit!
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Can we say "legalistic?" Come on y'all! We all sin, and like slipping out a curse word or a fleeting bad thought, it's part of our humanity. Can we say "antinomian?" Come on y'all! Some of you all sin, and like slipping out a curse word or a fleeting bad thought, it's part of your sinful nature. And we have a choice if we wish to let sin control us or the Spirit control us (Romans 8:4-9). Guess what, sunshinesoprano, I choose to live according to the Spirit - how 'bout you?
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/22/2008 5:53:47 AM
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x0846, are you aware that this false dichotomy borders on gnostic heresy? God is ALWAYS concerned "with sin in us", otherwise why are there dozens of exhortations to be holy, pure, righteous, perfect, etc?
I'm not concerned with 'heresy'. I go by what scripture says and up until the point we are born of the Spirit, Gods concern is to have us born again. That's it, because until you're born again you're dead to God and are a child of Satan. The reason we're told to walk after the Spirit and not the flesh is because there is nothing good in our sinful body of death. We should listen to His Spirit and not our flesh so God through His Spirit communicates with our spirit, instructing us and revealing Gods word to us.
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The Holy Spirit is not some kind of spiritual guide offering suggestions for avoiding our sinful flesh! The Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Triune Godhead Who indwells the sanctified Believer providing victory over sin, power to witness, and grace to grow more Christ-like in His Love every day.
You couldn't be more wrong, the Spirit of God is Gods 'spiritual guide';
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. (1 Cor 2)
Until you have been born again you are nothing, sanctification comes through the new birth, everything comes from the new birth. The Holy Spirit is our communication link to God without Him we are dead to God.
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Salvation does NOT cause God to lose His eyesight! He does not merely change our sinful nature, God cleanses us from all sin and unrighteousness (1 John 1:7-9) so that our whole spirit, soul, and body will be kept blameless for eternity (1 Thess 5:23). We will not commit sin, if our sinful nature is cleansed, by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit!
When we are born again there are many things that happen to us. Being born of the Spirit of God ONLY changes our inner spirit man, which is actually what we are, spirits. It DOES NOT change our body or soul. If your bald before being born again your still going to be bald after you have been born again. Now the struggle begins, our flesh wants to do sinful things but our spirit doesn't, so who decides what we do? Our soul, we can either listen to God through His Spirit or we can listen to our flesh. If you listen to your flesh which is nothing more than a sinful body of death then you will be paying the price for those sins, not by being punished by God but by the natural consequences of sin. That's why we're told over and over to walk after the Spirit and not the flesh. Walk after the Spirit and you'll have a good life here, walk after the flesh and have a bad life here.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/22/2008 7:50:59 AM
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x0846, are you aware that this false dichotomy borders on gnostic heresy? God is ALWAYS concerned "with sin in us", otherwise why are there dozens of exhortations to be holy, pure, righteous, perfect, etc?
I'm not concerned with 'heresy'. I go by what scripture says and up until the point we are born of the Spirit, Gods concern is to have us born again. That's it, because until you're born again you're dead to God and are a child of Satan. The reason we're told to walk after the Spirit and not the flesh is because there is nothing good in our sinful body of death. We should listen to His Spirit and not our flesh so God through His Spirit communicates with our spirit, instructing us and revealing Gods word to us.
You should be quite concerned with heresy. Scripture tells us to confess our sins, forsake our sins, and to be holy and pure. Your position ignores the clear command in Gal 5:16 to walk by means of the Spirit (being spirit-filled) in order that we do NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
If your irresponsible position about sin were correct, Gal 5:16 is meaningless.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/22/2008 10:06:48 AM
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x0846, are you aware that this false dichotomy borders on gnostic heresy? God is ALWAYS concerned "with sin in us", otherwise why are there dozens of exhortations to be holy, pure, righteous, perfect, etc?
I'm not concerned with 'heresy'. I go by what scripture says and up until the point we are born of the Spirit, Gods concern is to have us born again. That's it, because until you're born again you're dead to God and are a child of Satan. The reason we're told to walk after the Spirit and not the flesh is because there is nothing good in our sinful body of death. We should listen to His Spirit and not our flesh so God through His Spirit communicates with our spirit, instructing us and revealing Gods word to us.
You should be quite concerned with heresy. Scripture tells us to confess our sins, forsake our sins, and to be holy and pure. Your position ignores the clear command in Gal 5:16 to walk by means of the Spirit (being spirit-filled) in order that we do NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
If your irresponsible position about sin were correct, Gal 5:16 is meaningless.
Gee, I think I just said that. Perhaps you should study scripture a bit more before you make an accusation of me being irresponsible since you clearly don't understand the difference between a sinful nature, sin and the ramifications of sinning.
For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. (Gal 5)
Do you even understand this?
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/22/2008 10:18:55 AM
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Perhaps the Advocate is our lawyer at the final judgment. ("I'm okay -- y'know, I've got good people")
He'll handle it.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/22/2008 10:32:32 AM
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x0846, are you aware that this false dichotomy borders on gnostic heresy? God is ALWAYS concerned "with sin in us", otherwise why are there dozens of exhortations to be holy, pure, righteous, perfect, etc?
I'm not concerned with 'heresy'. I go by what scripture says and up until the point we are born of the Spirit, Gods concern is to have us born again. That's it, because until you're born again you're dead to God and are a child of Satan. The reason we're told to walk after the Spirit and not the flesh is because there is nothing good in our sinful body of death. We should listen to His Spirit and not our flesh so God through His Spirit communicates with our spirit, instructing us and revealing Gods word to us.
You should be quite concerned with heresy. Scripture tells us to confess our sins, forsake our sins, and to be holy and pure. Your position ignores the clear command in Gal 5:16 to walk by means of the Spirit (being spirit-filled) in order that we do NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
If your irresponsible position about sin were correct, Gal 5:16 is meaningless.
[quote[Gee, I think I just said that. Perhaps you should study scripture a bit more before you make an accusation of me being irresponsible since you clearly don't understand the difference between a sinful nature, sin and the ramifications of sinning.
I understand it quite well, thank you. I said your comment that "sin doesn't concern God anymore" in post #54 was irresponsible because many will take that as "sin isn't a problem for me" or "it doesn't matter that I sin". The effect, whether or not you realize it, is that your comment could lead many a weak believer to not be concerned with their sin, nor do anything about it. That's why your comment is irresponsible.
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For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. (Gal 5)
Do you even understand this?
With your comments about God not being concerned about our sin, I think more than you do. 
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/22/2008 4:31:06 PM
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You couldn't be more wrong, the Spirit of God is Gods 'spiritual guide'; x0846, I'm not sure you're reading what you're posting. Here is the verse from 1 Cor 2 you use to support your faulty position:"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God."
Clearly we have received the Holy Spirit from God so that we might know spiritual things. There's nothing in this verse about guiding, directing or leading. Instead, the verse states we receive the Spirit so that we will know for ourselves by His indwelling presence. This is a subtle but significant difference from being merely guided by God.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/22/2008 6:39:38 PM
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This definition does not say the it is as if it never happened. I would agree with it in regard to inherent nature and acceptance of punishment. However, He became sin on our behalf, not sin on His own account. In the same way, we become the righteousness of Adonai in or through Him. We are still the ones that commited the sins. Though the tears will be wiped away, that fact will not change.
I admit I am a bit confused by your answer. I never said we never committed the sins or that Jesus did sin, but that our sin was credited to Him and that He recieved the punishment on our behalf, and secondly that His righteousness was credited to us; so it seems we agree.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/22/2008 7:50:14 PM
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One prospective that seems to be missing here is that of attitudinal confession. That is confession that recognizes that we might have sinned, restores the relationship with Adonai by removing the possibility of a guilty conscience, and commits one to studying Adonai's ways. We don't need specifics for this kind of communication with Adonai.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/22/2008 7:54:36 PM
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This definition does not say the it is as if it never happened. I would agree with it in regard to inherent nature and acceptance of punishment. However, He became sin on our behalf, not sin on His own account. In the same way, we become the righteousness of Adonai in or through Him. We are still the ones that commited the sins. Though the tears will be wiped away, that fact will not change.
I admit I am a bit confused by your answer. I never said we never committed the sins or that Jesus did sin, but that our sin was credited to Him and that He recieved the punishment on our behalf, and secondly that His righteousness was credited to us; so it seems we agree.
This was a response to, "It is as if we never sinned." I do not believe thatr is accurate.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/22/2008 7:57:41 PM
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We are still the ones that commited the sins. Well stated, Bluethread! This is the great fallacy of "double imputation". There is no Biblical support for the righteousness of Christ being credited (imputed) to us. Rather, it is our faith in His righteousness that is credited (imputed) to us as righteousness.
Our faith is the means by which we are joined to Christ and gain His righteousness. It is because of the faith in Christ's sacrifice on our behalf, not our faith in His righteousness, that His righteousness is imputed to us. Many believe that Christ was righteous. The Muslims believe that. Only the faith in His atoning sacrifice credits any righteousness to us. The only righteousness we can present to God is that which we have through and in Christ.
It is the obedient life of Christ that makes us righteous:
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For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
The goal of the Law is to make us righteous. Christ is that goal for those who believe:
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For Christ is the end (or goal) of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Christ does not just enable us to do right, but He became our righteousness:
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But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
Our cleansing, our sanctification and justification all come only by the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God:
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Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
There can hardly be found a better definition of double impution than this verse straight from the Bible:
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2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Note that it did NOT say so that we might do works of our own righteousness, but that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Note that it is not our righteousness, but "the righteousness of God". And note that it is "in Him", not in our own ability.
The righteousness is not my own, but comes from God:
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and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/23/2008 5:07:31 AM
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x0846, are you aware that this false dichotomy borders on gnostic heresy? God is ALWAYS concerned "with sin in us", otherwise why are there dozens of exhortations to be holy, pure, righteous, perfect, etc?
I'm not concerned with 'heresy'. I go by what scripture says and up until the point we are born of the Spirit, Gods concern is to have us born again. That's it, because until you're born again you're dead to God and are a child of Satan. The reason we're told to walk after the Spirit and not the flesh is because there is nothing good in our sinful body of death. We should listen to His Spirit and not our flesh so God through His Spirit communicates with our spirit, instructing us and revealing Gods word to us.
You should be quite concerned with heresy. Scripture tells us to confess our sins, forsake our sins, and to be holy and pure. Your position ignores the clear command in Gal 5:16 to walk by means of the Spirit (being spirit-filled) in order that we do NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
If your irresponsible position about sin were correct, Gal 5:16 is meaningless.
[quote[Gee, I think I just said that. Perhaps you should study scripture a bit more before you make an accusation of me being irresponsible since you clearly don't understand the difference between a sinful nature, sin and the ramifications of sinning.
I understand it quite well, thank you. I said your comment that "sin doesn't concern God anymore" in post #54 was irresponsible because many will take that as "sin isn't a problem for me" or "it doesn't matter that I sin". The effect, whether or not you realize it, is that your comment could lead many a weak believer to not be concerned with their sin, nor do anything about it. That's why your comment is irresponsible.
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For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. (Gal 5)
Do you even understand this?
With your comments about God not being concerned about our sin, I think more than you do.
I'll take that as a no.
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/23/2008 7:51:58 AM
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There can hardly be found a better definition of double impution than this verse straight from the Bible:
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2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Actually, Doug, there is no better refutation of double imputation of righteousness than this verse! You do realize that "imputation" means credited to one's account. 2 Cor 5:21 states we become righteous, NOT we appear righteous on God's accounting books only. Don't you see the difference?
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Jeremiah 31:31-34. The time is NOW, fellow saints!
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RE: Unintentional Sins - How Are They Forgiven? - 5/23/2008 10:42:55 AM
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There can hardly be found a better definition of double impution than this verse straight from the Bible:
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2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Actually, Doug, there is no better refutation of double imputation of righteousness than this verse! You do realize that "imputation" means credited to one's account. 2 Cor 5:21 states we become righteous, NOT we appear righteous on God's accounting books only. Don't you see the difference?
Mark,
Please do not insult my intelligence. After well over 30 years of applying apologetics, I am well aware of the definition of "imputation".
And yes, I am aware that "2 Cor 5:21 states we become righteous." If Bill Gates' wealth was credited to me, I would not merely appear wealthy. I would become wealthy. In the same way, when Christ's righteousness is imputed to me, I become righteous. This righteousness is not of my own doing, but solely the righteousness of God given to me.
But let's tie all of this back together with your OP. How does this apply to unintentional sins? I commend you on your desire to root out and deal with all sin in your life. I confess to sometimes being lazy in that area. Yet, I do realize that ALL sin, both intentional and UNintentional, is covered by Christ's atoning sacrifice.
Christ's sacrifice fulfilled every sacrifice in the Mosaic Law that pertained to sin and making peace with God. (The sacrifices of praise and thanksgiving, it could be argued, are left for us as we worship.) So, even the sacrifices for unintentional sin were fulfilled in Christ's death on the cross. All of my sin, intentional and unintentional, was imputed to Him. He paid it all. So...
1. How do we acknowledge, confess, and repent of sins we do not even realize we've committed?
If you do not realize them, you can only acknowledge that you are a sinner in general, constantly sinning even when you do not realize it, and ask the Lord to reveal your own wickedness and grant you repentance and set you back on the road of sanctification.
2. Is there a different application or mechanism of grace for forgiveness of sins done in ignorance between the OT Levitical system and the NT Atonement?
No. All sacrifices in the Levitical system merely pointed to Christ. Even | | |
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