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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 9:24:57 PM
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TomTurn
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Your apparent willingness to disregard the petty racism at the heart of this story in favor of scoring base political points is indeed a good lesson as to where your own principles lie.
Am not overlooking any racism if it is there but to help clear it up, which race are you refering to? Obama is always touting how he is bi-racial?
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Knocking a politician for his/her platform is fair game. Using obvious slurs against that person is another.
So you defend Bush when he is being slurred?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 9:26:29 PM
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If you think people--particularly blacks--are hypersensitive in their reaction to this Obama shirt, and its reference to the senator as an ape, then I invite you to go up to the next African-American you see and call him or her such.
The only African-American I know in my life is white and he prefers being called an American. He was born in Capetown and is now a U.S. citizen
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 9:35:34 PM
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Am not overlooking any racism if it is there but to help clear it up, which race are you refering to? Obama is always touting how he is bi-racial?
What you suggesting? That people who are half-black, half-white are insulated from racist treatment?
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So you defend Bush when he is being slurred?
Actually, yes. When Bush was accused a couple of years ago by Kanye West of being racist, and I thought it was repugnant.
I may not like Bush politically, but I don't feel he's a racist. I felt the comment was unfair.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 9:40:42 PM
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What you suggesting? That people who are half-black, half-white are insulated from racist treatment?
I am trying to understand how saying Obama looks like Curious George is racist. If he looks like him he does. For anyone to connect that to Obamas "half black" side just becasue he is "half black" seems, well, rather racist.
OK, I think his half white side is what makes him look like Curious George. Is that racist?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 9:41:10 PM
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This is a good lesson to all. Should Obama become President, and new messiah for the mislead, there will be no disagreeing with him, no charactures drawn, nothing, without the cry of racism.
Point #1 - Obama will never be President. No black or bi-racial person will ever be.
Point #2 - Disagreeing, caricatures (I presume that's what you meant) that reflect his policies and viewpoints or his thinness or his even his ears, can happen without the cry of racism.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 9:42:36 PM
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Actually, yes. When Bush was accused a couple of years ago by Kanye West of being racist, and I thought it was repugnant.
I may not like Bush politically
You defend him from attacks over the way he talks? Or is that a big joke among you and your friends?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 9:45:55 PM
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Point #2 - Disagreeing, caricatures (I presume that's what you meant) that reflect his policies and viewpoints or his thinness or his even his ears, can happen without the cry of racism.
You presume correctly.
I disagree, once he is in the office if elected it will be kid gloves in drawing any exagerated looks.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 9:58:19 PM
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You defend him from attacks over the way he talks? Or is that a big joke among you and your friends?
I'll defend Bush against people unfairly calling him a racist, but what modern president hasn't become the butt of jokes based on their speech and mannerisms?
Late-night TV comics have based a career on it for decades.
Look at Chevy Chase's old SNL bit mocking Gerald Ford's clutzy behavior, or Dan Akroyd's impressions from the same era of Jimmy Carter. Johnny Carson spoofed Reagan for years, and don't get me started on how much public mockery was gleamed from Bill Clinton's time in office.
Why should GW Bush be exempt from this same needling?
Hillary and Obama have been the target of SNL sketches lately, including the recent spoof of the former's 3AM TV ad.
But none of this treatment holds a candle to someone comparing Obama to a monkey considering the historically racist context of the characterization.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 10:30:52 PM
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I'll defend Bush against people unfairly calling him a racist,
Your words, "Knocking a politician for his/her platform is fair game. Using obvious slurs against that person is another." Slur has nothing to do with race alone. So have you or have you not made slurs against Bush outisde of his politics?
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but what modern president hasn't become the butt of jokes based on their speech and mannerisms?
And their looks, which we have an issue with here it seems.
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But none of this treatment holds a candle to someone comparing Obama to a monkey considering the historically racist context of the characterization.
Am fine with people thinking it is wrong to do that and I do not care one way or the other. I just want people who claim it is racist to back it up with some kind of facts other than what they percieve as racist.
What if he is the spitting image of Curious George?
What if his white side gives him the features that make him look like Curious George?
Could it be seen as racist by you because you cannot let the past go and focus too much on Obamas race?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 11:00:40 PM
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You do not support Obama? You are a racist
You are going to point out the truths of his Church and mentor? You are a racist
You are going to point out the huge chip him and his wife have on their shoulders? You are a racists
Am still waiting for the "Vote Obama, he is half white, how bad can he be?" slogan
This whole election and the 3 clowns in it have really brought me down. The only thing that brings me down more is there are people who have actually supported one of the 3 since day one and I have to live in the same country with them.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 11:08:22 PM
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Slur has nothing to do with race alone.
Generally, the word "slur" implies a racist connotation. Thus, the term "racist slur."
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So have you or have you not made slurs against Bush outside of his politics?
No, I have not. But I have been highly critical of his judgment as president. IMO, GWB is a terrible chief executive.
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What if he is the spitting image of Curious George? What if his white side gives him the features that make him look like Curious George?
So you're comparing Obama to an ape?
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Could it be seen as racist by you because you cannot let the past go and focus too much on Obamas race?
I'd be just as disgusted if someone was peddling a t-shirt depicting Joe Lieberman in an anti-Semitic image, or Bobby Jindal as a cartoonish Hindu swami.
As for letting go of the past, are you suggesting that Americans should dismiss the racist elements of its history?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/15/2008 11:15:01 PM
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You do not support Obama? You are a racist
I never said this, but for the record: no, this does not qualify one as a racist.
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You are going to point out the truths of his Church and mentor? You are a racist
See above.
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You are going to point out the huge chip him and his wife have on their shoulders? You are a racists
I don't see such a chip. But for the record: see above.
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The only thing that brings me down more is there are people who have actually supported one of the 3 since day one and I have to live in the same country with them.
My goodness, what a hardship that must be for you - having to live in a nation where not everyone shares the same opinions as your own.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 12:13:34 AM
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of course it is racist. Putting Obama 08 on it
Like I said BO will be president, Racism will propel him into office.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 12:27:44 AM
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Generally, the word "slur" implies a racist connotation. Thus, the term "racist slur."
Since when and show me in the dictionary this proof? I have 3 in front of me right now and not a one mentions race
Slur - To talk about disparagingly or insultingly. So have you or have you not made slurs against Bush outside of his politics?
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So you're comparing Obama to an ape?
No a cartoon character
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I'd be just as disgusted if someone was peddling a t-shirt depicting Joe Lieberman in an anti-Semitic image, or Bobby Jindal as a cartoonish Hindu swami.
You still have shown no proof of racism
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As for letting go of the past, are you suggesting that Americans should dismiss the racist elements of its history?
Key word in this, history. Some of us are leaving it behind while you wallow in it
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My goodness, what a hardship that must be for you - having to live in a nation where not everyone shares the same opinions as your own.
As you have proven not everyone has as much common sense as I do and yes it is a hardship.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 12:30:56 AM
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of course it is racist. Putting Obama 08 on it
Like I said BO will be president, Racism will propel him into office.
Bingo. They say how they hate racism but will use it every chance they get
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 7:59:00 AM
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I find it interesting all this talk about maybe racsim, in this case the black race, yet not much input on Jamiels Law in current events. Where a boy was killed for being black.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 8:16:37 AM
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I would give you a history/sociology lesson, but it would obviously be pointless.
You know far too many folks are way to sensitive and wear their feelings on their shirtsleeves. This victim mentality that many have is just down right overboard.
When George Bush was running for President there were many t-shirts with the Mad Magazine character Alfred E. Newman on them with President Bush's name. You did not see the Bush family getting all defensive and hollering poor ole me about it. Jeeeezzzzzzz.
Obama seems to be just what the liberal demokrats want; an over-sensitive, self-loathing, arrogant, eletist, pro gay marriage supporting, abortion promoting, USA hater.
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I agree. I can envision 4 (or [shudder] 8) years in which any criticism against (the now) Sen. Obama will be attacked as racially motivated. There's a member on this board that I've long respected, admired, and liked that seems to now consider me a raging bigot because I dared to use the word "token" (as in a token visit to WVA) in a post. Then, when I tried to apologize and insist there was no racial intent, I was blown off. I fear for any progess made in this country during the last 40-50 years if this man is elected, a man who is at least as left as or more so than Ted Kennedy - and Kennedy is a man I would never vote for and for the same reasons, none of them racial.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 8:31:20 AM
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I agree. I can envision 4 (or [shudder] 8) years in which any criticism against (the now) Sen. Obama will be attacked as racially motivated. There's a member on this board that I've long respected, admired, and liked that seems to now consider me a raging bigot because I dared to use the word "token" (as in a token visit to WVA) in a post. Then, when I tried to apologize and insist there was no racial intent, I was blown off. I fear for any progess made in this country during the last 40-50 years if this man is elected, a man who is at least as left as or more so than Ted Kennedy - and Kennedy is a man I would never vote for and for the same reasons, none of them racial.
And when you point out actual racism, such as the murder of Jamiel Shaw, you get an attitude of "who cares" because it gets into an area that will make them admit the racism there and focus on criminals they want protected.
These pearl grabbers are as transparant as my kitchen window
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 8:39:08 AM
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Anyone interested in the Teddy Bear and its "racist" connection with an American President?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 8:48:25 AM
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As I said far too many folks are way to sensitive and ought to get a life.
If you think people--particularly blacks--are hypersensitive in their reaction to this Obama shirt, and its reference to the senator as an ape, then I invite you to go up to the next African-American you see and call him or her such.
Then watch what happens.
Call them what, the shirt does not call Obama anything other than to point out the physical and action simularities between him and Curious George.
You just make my point of PC gone wild.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 8:50:53 AM
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Anyone interested in the Teddy Bear and its "racist" connection with an American President?
Or the ex Prime Minister of England Winstion Churchhill and him being dubbed the bulldog in referrence to his actions and physical resemplance to an English Bulldog. He wore the moniker like a medal.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 9:29:52 AM
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Who was the "ape baboon of the prairie"?
Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln was frequently compared to a monkey, an ape, and an "ape baboon" if such a thing is possible.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 9:45:59 AM
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As I said far too many folks are way to sensitive and ought to get a life.
If you think people--particularly blacks--are hypersensitive in their reaction to this Obama shirt, and its reference to the senator as an ape, then I invite you to go up to the next African-American you see and call him or her such.
Then watch what happens.
Call them what, the shirt does not call Obama anything other than to point out the physical and action simularities between him and Curious George.
You just make my point of PC gone wild.
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If there was never a time in which all black people were compared to monkey's, apes or less than human then this would be a non-issue. But | | |
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