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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 6/27/2008 12:29:07 PM
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horsepill
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What's the difference in a gay couple on a home improvement show and watching shows where heterosexual couples are living together/having sex, etc.? I'm sincerely asking in light of the soap opera threads that have popped up.
I've wondered this too, and this is just my take on it. It is the human factor of it. We as humans are mostly more tolerant of a man/woman living together than we are of man/man or woman/woman. We still view it as wrong and in the back of our minds know it's sin, but it's more acceptable than arrangements of the same sex. It simply comes down to what repels us more.
For instance, I was watching Dr. Charles Stanley the other day and he was speaking of a sin that God really despises and that is the sin of pride. Okay, how many people, Christians much included, would balk at simply meeting a gay person, but yet would think nothing of widely boasting of an accomplishment of theirs or of a family member, or some symbol of status, or making sure they received credit for something that went well, etc. Pride just isn't as icky as other sins, so it's more forgivable in our human eyes.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 6/27/2008 1:20:36 PM
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sexual sin is just that...sexual and includes hetero as well as homo, there is no distinction, they're all lumped together.
1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 6/27/2008 1:56:23 PM
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I can't recall references off the top of my head, but I do believe there are some indications in scripture that homosexuality is more of an abomination to God than simply fornication. At least a cohabiting heterosexual couple could repent, marry, and move on, whereas the homosexual couple is only headed down a dark alley...however, I know there is already a one stop thread on homosexuality, so I don't want to get in trouble by getting too far into that, but to relate it back to the show, if I had kids, and I had the TV on, and it was a heterosexual couple, I might not nesc. turn the TV off, because I've seen young children observe a living together couple, and I thought surely that the kids would ask their parents questions, but more often than not, the kids just assumed the couple was married and said her husband/his wife, so I'm sure if they are just playing by the TV, they would make the same assumption. But a homosexual couple is VERY obviously different, and far more likely to raise red flags. So, yeah, I wish it was only honorable living situations on HGTV (notice I didn't say only married couples..two single women sharing a house with seperate bedrooms to save rent that are not a homesexual couple are not doing anything wrong, and are as entitled to decorate their house as anyone else), but I still see a cohabiting couple as more mild TV than a homosexual couple.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 6/27/2008 2:07:15 PM
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I can't recall references off the top of my head, but I do believe there are some indications in scripture that homosexuality is more of an abomination to God than simply fornication. At least a cohabiting heterosexual couple could repent, marry, and move on, whereas the homosexual couple is only headed down a dark alley...however, I know there is already a one stop thread on homosexuality, so I don't want to get in trouble by getting too far into that, but to relate it back to the show, if I had kids, and I had the TV on, and it was a heterosexual couple, I might not nesc. turn the TV off, because I've seen young children observe a living together couple, and I thought surely that the kids would ask their parents questions, but more often than not, the kids just assumed the couple was married and said her husband/his wife, so I'm sure if they are just playing by the TV, they would make the same assumption. But a homosexual couple is VERY obviously different, and far more likely to raise red flags. So, yeah, I wish it was only honorable living situations on HGTV (notice I didn't say only married couples..two single women sharing a house with seperate bedrooms to save rent that are not a homesexual couple are not doing anything wrong, and are as entitled to decorate their house as anyone else), but I still see a cohabiting couple as more mild TV than a homosexual couple.
Repent? You can repent from any sin.
And if God lumps them all together...that's good enough for me.
I understand as a parent protecting our kids...but then we have to remember that these are the same kids growing up and living together because that's now become normal.
I'm just sayin' 
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 6/27/2008 2:11:34 PM
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I think that Satan has learned that subtle tactics work best in desensitizing people to certain kinds of sin.
Like several people have pointed out, we're not outraged by unmarried couples living together [and I would add unwed mothers] anymore - why? - because it was introduced gradually thru media (TV, movies, liberal news) until we got used to it and now it's generally accepted in our society.
I believe he's using the same system that has worked throughout history with the homosexual "campaign".
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 6/27/2008 2:16:24 PM
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OneOfHisJewels
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Repent? You can repent from any sin.
Oh, I know that, but a heterosexual couple can marry and make their relationship right, a homosexual couple cannott.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 6/27/2008 2:17:08 PM
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What's the difference in a gay couple on a home improvement show and watching shows where heterosexual couples are living together/having sex, etc.? I'm sincerely asking in light of the soap opera threads that have popped up.
Really, there isn't. That explains why I have pretty much given up on television in general.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/8/2008 12:07:18 PM
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HGTV wants to cater to all types of people, and are not there to morally judge them.
You may not realize it, but gay people are everywhere and might even have cooked or served your food in the restaurant you enjoy, sewn your clothing that you are now wearing, and if you were injured, and bleeding, would you not allow a gay doctor to work on you as a physician?
what I really hate about HGTV are the people who have a beautiful kitchen or living room and because the counter tops are not granite, they say "oh we have to update it, its out of date" when a lot of people are living in really crummy bathrooms ,, and they just have lucite counter tops. That really stinks when i see a perfectly good lucite counter top but no, they HAVE TO HAVE GRANITE!!
yesterday i saw a family buy a $539,000 MOBILE HOME which was in pretty bad shape because it was perched right at the water front on the Florida Keys. They actually bought it. the carpet smelled, etc. the guy was a contractor and wow did he ever fix it up. it looked beautiful after a $50,000 renovations. (((but in the midwest, you could buy a new mobile home for $40,000)))
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/15/2008 9:44:04 AM
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what big yellow house and barn?
Hey on House Hunters, one couple were looking for a house and when they found it, they showed the guy proposing.
I remember at least 2 shows recently on House Hunters where the man and woman were looking for a house and then revealed in the show later that they were then going to work on getting married and also get a dog.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/15/2008 10:09:01 AM
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I think maybe the reason we don't balk as much about heterosexual couple living together as we do about homosexual couples is that heterosexual sex is not inherently wrong. It is not a sin to have heteroseuxal sex in a marriage relationship. Homosexual sex is enherently wrong. It is never right. I think that is part of what OneOfHisJewels is thinking.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/15/2008 2:29:15 PM
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I don't mind the gay couples and I'm not going to stereotype but most of my gay friends have great designing qualities in a home. One of them even gave me ideas on how to 'stage' my home when we were selling our house. What annoys me more, especially in House Hunters (and I love this show), is when SHE has to have tons of closets and pretty much just planning to use every closets in a house for HER STUFF and makes a joke on leaving a bit space for him. That just drives me nuts.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/16/2008 5:21:10 PM
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I've also noticed these gay couples (men ususally) have very expensive homes with very expensive furniture.
Just yesterday I saw an episode of 'If Walls Could Talk' where the gay couple found $10,000 inside a piano left behind in their old home.
I'm bothered by it. With the cheapest package from Directv, I get 2 shopping channels, a Catholic, a Morman and a Jewish channel, 11 other 'religious' type channels and four local stations. DIY and HGTV are my only 'treats'.
I disagree that all sexual sin is the same in God's eye.
I submit:
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/16/2008 5:38:23 PM
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I don't mind the gay couples and I'm not going to stereotype but most of my gay friends have great designing qualities in a home. One of them even gave me ideas on how to 'stage' my home when we were selling our house.
Thus, HGTV, would most definitely have a "higher than average" gay audience. (a traditionally VERY affluent segment of the market, by the way.....)
So, of all the people that "apply" to be featured on their shows, a good many of them, undoubtedly, will be gay.....and, consequently, a good many of them get "accepted" into a show....
not much you can do about it...
while watching some HGTV shows, i would THINK that a guy was "gay", but then a "wife" appears in the picture, and I realize that he is 'married'.....who knows? maybe he IS, and, is doing "gay" the old way by marrying someone to hide and lie about it (you know, the whole 'sham marriage' act).......you just never know.
I pay attention more to what they're doing to the house......I don't even pay attention to the people who own the house....totally irrelevant....
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/16/2008 5:46:34 PM
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I pay attention more to what they're doing to the house......I don't even pay attention to the people who own the house....totally irrelevant....
Same here. I just love the transitions on most of the homes. I've always wanted to be an interior decorator but I'm so bad with colors....like what color is good with what and so far I've been learning a lot from this channel.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/17/2008 10:25:06 AM
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I pay attention more to what they're doing to the house......I don't even pay attention to the people who own the house....totally irrelevant....
Same here. I just love the transitions on most of the homes. I've always wanted to be an interior decorator but I'm so bad with colors....like what color is good with what and so far I've been learning a lot from this channel.
same here...in fact I just watched a show this morning that used two colors I adore but I've never seen them used together and it totally worked.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/18/2008 1:51:22 PM
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What annoys me more, especially in House Hunters (and I love this show), is when SHE has to have tons of closets and pretty much just planning to use every closets in a house for HER STUFF and makes a joke on leaving a bit space for him. That just drives me nuts.
Ack! I was thinking the same thing last time i watched that show.. the female is always saying that to the guy and like after 100 times, its not funny anymore.
also the other thing that bugs me is on every show, someone has to exclaim 'OH MY G-D!" and now they have blasphemed the Lord taking his name in vain.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/18/2008 1:54:12 PM
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I've also noticed these gay couples (men ususally) have very expensive homes with very expensive furniture.
Just yesterday I saw an episode of 'If Walls Could Talk' where the gay couple found $10,000 inside a piano left behind in their old home.
I'm bothered by it. With the cheapest package from Directv, I get 2 shopping channels, a Catholic, a Morman and a Jewish channel, 11 other 'religious' type channels and four local stations. DIY and HGTV are my only 'treats'.
Easy why the gay couple would have more money - they usually dont raise kids which cost a LOT LOT LOT OF money. Diane, also your saying how theres not much to watch - me too.. i am down to watching HGTV and the news, but now even the news seems to be only the shooting report.. every night just about, someone gets shot here in chicago.. im tired of watching that being the big news of the night. i mean its just depressing.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/23/2008 7:57:45 PM
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I think maybe the reason we don't balk as much about heterosexual couple living together as we do about homosexual couples is that heterosexual sex is not inherently wrong. It is not a sin to have heteroseuxal sex in a marriage relationship. Homosexual sex is enherently wrong. It is never right. I think that is part of what OneOfHisJewels is thinking.
Yes, that is the point I was trying to make. Thank you, zoebob.
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/25/2008 1:28:36 AM
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I love makeover shows and lately I've become a fan of the shows on HGTV. I love "Deserving Design, Myles of Style and Color Splash. I even order the free ones they have now On Demand when I feel like.
The only thing that concerns me is the trend I've been noticing lately of featuring more gay homeowners. It didn't bother me too much at first but now it's shown more and more. I guess from a secular stand point it's just a nod toward more diversity. But it's just a bit unsetlling for me since I'm seeing more of it and will see more. Anyone else noticing it?
Would be interesting to see the "ratio" of gay vs. "non gay" households submitting information regarding their homes to be included in the show. All stereotypes aside, HGTV probably has a high "gay" viewership, which would lead to more of them "applying" to be on the show, and thus ending up on TV.
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I think it's "dangerous." The more they put it on TV the more generally accepted it becomes. Within a generation, only "hard-core Christians" will see anything wrong with it.
Just as "hard core" Christians were totally against "mixed race" marriage and "desegregation" of schools a mere few years ago. THAT was a TOTALLY "Dangerous" thing to have happen!!!!! (at least to them it was)....my parents moved from the house I was born in to a totally different part of the metro area, just so I wouldn't have to go to school with "THEM"!
The Bible is full of references in both the old and new testaments about homosexuality being a sin and perversion. Conversely in Galatians we are taught that we are no longer Greek nor Jew, in Christ, i.e no racial divisions, we are one in Him. I have no idea what your point is; because they're were some bigots who professed to be Christians with no Biblical support to their hatred we Christians today shouldn't call homosexuality a sin, despite God saying it is? I don't get it?
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RE: HGTV and gay couples - 7/25/2008 10:01:16 AM
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I love makeover shows and lately I've become a fan of the shows on HGTV. I love "Deserving Design, Myles of Style and Color Splash. I even order the free ones they have now On Demand when I feel like.
The only thing that concerns me is the trend I've been noticing lately of featuring more gay homeowners. It didn't bother me too much at first but now it's shown more and more. I guess from a secular stand point it's just a nod toward more diversity. But it's just a bit unsetlling for me since I'm seeing more of it and will see more. Anyone else noticing it?
Would be interesting to see the "ratio" of gay vs. "non gay" households submitting information regarding their homes to be included in the show. All stereotypes aside, HGTV probably has a high "gay" viewership, which would lead to more of them "applying" to be on the show, and thus ending up on TV.
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