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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 8:50:09 AM
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PrincessDonna
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Wow, Donna. That seems like a big change. Why is he in such a hurry?
Because if we do it at 2 months postpartum, it greatly increases the chances of being able to do it laproscopically vs. a much more invasive surgery at 4 months, with a much longer recovery.
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And I have a question which I’m sure is naïve, but I’m going to ask it anyway. Could they do a c-section and a hysterectomy right after? I know that would require a different method and everything, but wouldn’t it be easier to do it all at once or would it be worse? Just asking.
Yes, if I have to have a c-section for some reason, they can (and I will demand!) do the hysterectomy at the same time. However...I've had three vaginal deliveries, and I'd like this one to be also. If they did a c-section, they'll have to go in the vertical scar I already have, which is a much worse recovery than a regular c-section. So if it's necessary, yes, they can do it all together. But really, it's better if I can have a vaginal delivery and laproscopic/vaginal surgery 2 months later.
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It sounds to me like the parents still are the primary teachers. They bought the curriculum, will go over it with their daughter at home, grade, etc. The child will come to Cynthia's house while her parents are working - that's babysitting - and will bring her school work with her. Admittedly it's a little grey, but I think a good case can be made that Cynthia is just helping like any other babysitter might help with homework.
I agree with this. If you're only babysitting and helping with school work...you're still not the primary teacher. I would make sure the parents do as much on their own as is possible though.
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Donna - thanks for sharing the other thread for those of us who don't venture over there! It sounds like you are at peace with your decision. I'll be lifting you & your family up in prayer!
Thank you, Amy!
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 9:25:48 AM
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Ellie-Mae
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Donna, I would watch Hannah and Levi if you need.
Cynthia, I would make sure that the parents are the primary teachers as well. I would have them write out lesson plans for their daughter (even if they are just copying yours), grade as much of the girl's school work as possible, Document any educational videos that she watches, go on field trips and document them, document books that they read to her, an other such stuff. Her finished work should be stored in her own home. The parents should have their own grade book that is in their home.These things will show that the parents are directing the education of their child and that they are primarily responsible for the education of their child. It will also show that her homeschool is separate than yours with it's own acitivities and such even though the girl works on the assignments at your home while her mom is busy babysitting so she can have someone to help her with them. This will also make it easier for a transition to them doing it all on their own if the time comes for that.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 11:42:12 AM
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Sons....
My eldest did not put the lawn mower key back where it goes last time we mowed. it is long gone. Jerry told him because HE lost the key HE had to push mow the entire acre himself. This is not small feat as the acre drops from 220ft to about 170ft - a goodly hill folks.
Son complained his brothers MUST have moved the key and came into the house a few times til he upset jerry to the point of him being handed the camel back (2 liter hydration device) told he could NOT come back in until he was DONE.
So we all come in and pop in a movie.
it is a short movie, just a bit more than an hour and at the end we still hear the mower going. It will take at least 3 maybe 4 hours to push mow the place. jerry says he is going to go to the dump and walk out the front door then comes back in 5 minutes later.
I am then pulled to the front door to see my eldest son on the riding lawn mower-
did he find the keys?
"NOPE", Jerry says with a grin, "He hot wired it."
My goodness! I only hope he did not hotwire it so well that you have to hotwire it from now on to use it.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 11:47:50 AM
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Oh, Ezri! I hope he only uses that power for good! LOL
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 11:58:51 AM
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WOOOOOOOO! HOOOOOOOOO! Good for Jared! I just LOVE that! LOL!
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 1:02:47 PM
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I am supposed to be cleaning my mom's house today. I'm here but unmotivated. THey are gone for 8 days so I could wait till next week to do it. Today I'm unmotivated. Monday I have to run around and get my plans for next year together, have the afidavet notarized, and to the school district before work. Tuesday I have a court appearence. Wed my parents drive all day to get back. I think I'll clean then because then it will be nice and clean for them when they get back. They have a cta that's senile and tracks litter all over. I'll do the good vaccuum and mopping on Wed. In the meantime I am spot vacuuming.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 1:30:42 PM
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I'll join the unmotivated club! I've been up since 5:30. Session with my swim coach, then a run. Took ds4 to the dentist. Then came home and sat down. Wrong thing to do!!!
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 1:33:40 PM
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Cynthia, I hate to tell you this, but in this state, it is not legal for you to be the primary teacher of another family's child unless you are a certified teacher or working in a school. The homeschool law states that the parent has to be the primary teacher.
I am exhausted. But I can now beat you up with tsai. So be nice to me.
I have read the law, Jennifer. Here is the part that applies to this situation:
RCW 28A.200.020 states that parents who are causing their children to receive home-based instruction shall be subject only to those minimum state laws and regulations which are necessary in ensuring that a sufficient basic educational opportunity is provided to the children receiving such instruction. Therefore, all decisions relating to philosophy or doctrine, selection of books, teaching materials and curriculum, and methods, timing and place in the provision or evaluation of home-based instruction shall be the responsibility of the parent except for matters specifically referred to in Chapter 28A.225 RCW.
If you know of something else, then please direct me to the law, as I want to do this properly. As long as the parents are in charge of all decisions relating to philosophy, selection of books, teaching materials and curriculum, methods, timing and place, they are in compliance. As far as who is doing the teaching, I have never heard of anything that states the parents have to be the ones doing all or most of the teaching. These parents will be doing some of the teaching, all of the record keeping, grading, etc. I am just a tutor teaching classes and babysitting for the child.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 1:39:51 PM
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Cynthia, I have no idea how you manage to teach your kids all those spiffy things. The time alone is daunting, not to mention that you teach things that I would have to learn first. You amaze me.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 1:46:44 PM
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Cynthia,
If you got into trouble, you could call yourself a co-op. There shouldn't be any trouble then.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 1:51:29 PM
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If you belong to HSLDA, you could ask them.
Definitely, since I think it voids your coverage.
Not mine, but possibly theirs, since they will not be at home during normal school hours. I don't think they could belong to HSLDA, but that remains to be seen. I cannot imagine how it could possibly void my coverage, as we are not homeschooling her, her parents are. I am a tutor and a babysitter. The law specifically states, "timing and place in the provision or evaluation of home-based instruction" is up to the parents. This is no different than a co-op class where a child is being taught by another person for any number of classes or times while under the homeschool law.
The parents are already beginning to document books read and how much daily time is spent on it. One of my conditions is that the parents read to NG everyday. NG will be doing narration for her parents, reciting poetry, practicing Latin (her mother took Latin and loves it), etc. I will not do any grading whatsoever, the parents are fully in charge of deciding if and how they want to do that. The parents will be spending time on school with her daily. They are very committed to making this work and taking on the responsibility for their daughter's education. They will be meeting all of the requirements for homeschooling, including taking a parent qualifying course. They purchased all materials, after thoroughly going over every subject and every curriculum.
They are a military family and expect to be moved after a few years. They want to be fully engaged in homeschooling, so it will be a smooth transition to continue after they move.
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Cynthia - how wonderful that you can bless your neighbors! I would do that to if the situation was like yours! I'll be praying that it all goes smoothly & benefits everyone!
Thank you. I have a really happy feeling about this.
Thanks for explaining the surgery to me, Donna. I can understand you waning a vaginal delivery. I think most of us would like to go that route, if possible.
Ezri, Very funny about the hot wiring.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 1:55:54 PM
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Cynthia, I have no idea how you manage to teach your kids all those spiffy things. The time alone is daunting, not to mention that you teach things that I would have to learn first. You amaze me.
Uh thanks, Ellie-Mae, but I have no idea what you mean.  I don't think I'm doing anything amazing. 
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Cynthia,
If you got into trouble, you could call yourself a co-op. There shouldn't be any trouble then.
Yeah, I really don't see a difference. It's not like I'm keeping records or grading her. Some co-ops, the teacher does give a grade, but I won't even be doing that. She will bring her stuff with her daily, then take it home and go over it all with her parents. They are completely overseeing everything and are primarily responsible for her education. I will be doing less than a governess would do.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 2:00:17 PM
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Thanks for all your input about my neighbors. Another thought I had is that I am mentoring the parents. They are looking to me to point them to the information they need, then they are going and looking it up, reading, processing, etc. They are working hard to prepare and provide educational opportunities for their daughter. I am giving them this opportunity by tutoring her during the day, doing some teaching and babysitting until they get home.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 2:27:50 PM
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Cynthia, that sounds great! What a wonderful opportunity!
You use things like apolagia (which sounds very advanced to me) and Latin which I have always wanted to do with my kids but have been unable to do so. The Literature that you are doing with our daughter is probably the closest to anything that I would do myself, but still requires a lot of work and time on your part.
You have gone to the University with the highest demands and used that to help give you a course outline for your daughter.
You have deffinately never taken the path of least resistance.
For me, I use HomeSat to help with the teaching so that...
I don't have to do as much individual teaching but can just help tighten up and reinforce concepts.
I don't get overwhelmed with all the different lessons for five kids (two of whom are in the same grade).
So they can get deep into a subject that I may not have as firm of a grasp on.
Also, Russ does a lot of the grading, all of the paperwork and Math and science for the older two.
I want to do Latin, and I think that David wants to too. I am looking for something inexpensive that he can do on his own.
It isn't that I don't think that the other hsing mom's are doing well too, but between you and Ezri, I am amazed and fascinated. And You are very Structured with all kinds of books and and such and Ez... not so much. (Cindy is way too unschool for my own peace of mind. I couldn't do it myself  ). It may also have to do with the fact that you do talk about specific curriculum that you are using and I have kids the same age as yours. Also, With Ezri I can SEE what she is doing. After we spend time at her house, my kids come home and write papers and poetry and all kinds of stuff ON THEIR OWN! LOL!
It doesn't make me feel bad. It makes me wonder how I can balance myself with some of the things that I get from you guys. You give me courage to not be scared away by something new and technical, ezri gives me courage to relax and let the kids be themselves.
and I am rambling...
ETA: I don't think courage is the right word. You challenge me to be willing to step out of my comfort zone.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 4:08:05 PM
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Thank you for the explaination, Ellie-Mae. We each have different lives and we have to do what works for our own families. I have wanted to learn Latin since I was in the 7th grade. We have tried to do it twice, but it always fell to the wayside. This year, I think we are going to be able to do it. It's really no different than your kids exploring their interests. My kids are all interested in Latin, so it's a good thing for us to pursue. Plus I bought the DVD's and pronunciation CD's to help us.
As far as Apologia goes, it's really not difficult. It is thorough and a lot of work, but it's not hard to understand or impliment. TL does most of it on her own. She is very self-motivated and does well with it. Besides, she absolutely loves science, so that's another example of a kid who is doing well in something she really enjoys. Since the kids were little, we have done a lot of nature study and nature exploration, so the kids have gotten a love for science. I get excited about it and they follow.
So I do appreciate the compliment, but I don't have it all together any more than you do. I was just trying to get that across to my neighbor today, who basically said that she thought I had it all together and she thought my kids are perfect, uh, yeah, even Mr. Manly. lol Most of us are just doing the best we can and relying on the grace of God. I am so thankful for His grace.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 4:19:25 PM
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Haha...what else are little brothers for? I'm sure he did NOTHING to earn this sisterly torture, right?
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 5:11:50 PM
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Boys- you can never be so sure that they did not ASK to be tied up in the first place either...
My 12yo actually ASKED my 10yo to tie his hands behind his back today- Why? so he could prove he could get to his pocket knife and cut himself free.
YEAH... that got put to a stop and quick.
My husband and his brother at the ages of 7 & 8 or 8 & 9 actually FOUGHT over which one of them got to be the Indian that got HUNG in their "Hang Um High" movie re-enactment. Jerry (the elder of the two) lost the draw and his brother happily stood on the bucket and put the noose around his OWN neck! Jerry, being very upset that he wasn't the one on the bucket KICKED the bucket and hung his little brother. He managed to get the bucket back under his feet before he did any damage beyond rope burn on the neck but they both caught it when momma found out.
so we cannot 100% fault the sister- brother may have been a willing volunteer--- possibly even asked to be tied up and went along until sister decided to get the water gun. 
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 5:28:19 PM
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wow, I am so glad that we made the "no tying people up" rule when David was only 3.  The worst thing that my boys have done to "ask for it" (that I know of) was when David stuck his finger in baby Caleb's mouth and told him to bite it. I don't think that he expected that it would actually hurt. He was sure surprised, but he kept doing it until I put a stop to it.
Ez, Sarah's birthday is coming up. Would you ask Trill if she would put together a lis of 3 or 4 of the best American Girl Books? I had bought Meet Felicity and that ended up about a girl who snuck out of the house to see a horse that absolutely everyone told her clearly to never go see. She did it for a couple of months and when her dad found out he praised her for the patience that she had showed in taming the horse. We do have horses next door that she is NOT allowed to go visit, but she IS the type that woudl go ahead and do it if she really wanted to and I want to avoid books that tell her that if she decides to disobey her parents, that there won't be any consequences for it. She loves those books though, so I am just going to be more careful which ones I buy. If anyone else, knows of a "safe" AG book please feel free to share.
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I just got a strange phone call from the local car dealership. Seems they can't find the accessories, heated leather seats, on the car I supposedly called them about. Thing is, I'm not in the market for a new car and had never called them. Someone is using my name and phone number to look for expensive cars. 
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