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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 6:34:21 PM
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Ellie-Mae
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Really? It is nice to know that someone saw it the way I did. THAT was in the movie?? Do you mean the movie that is in the theaters now?? I
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 7:35:54 PM
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So there is another AG movie??
What movie blames the destruction of the earth on fat people?
ETA: just found it. I don't think that it is anymore inappropriate than most of the reasons that they say that the destruction of the earth is going to happen as a result of some thing that evil humans are going to do. It IS irritating. 
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 7:39:48 PM
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So y'all can now see why I became less and less enamored of the American Girl books over time. I've always thought the Beautiful Girlhood series looked like a good alternative, but I can't say I've ever gotten to see inside any of the books.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 7:42:08 PM
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I have only read one AG book and was greatly saddened. I will check out the Beautiful girlhood series.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/27/2008 11:58:24 PM
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Oh, I love Vision Forum. They have the coolest toys, and books, and videos.....well, I could go on and on.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 12:32:56 AM
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Today I saw Nate without his shirt on at swim lessons. He has done the shoulder thing. You know, where they go from narrow to big? He's growing up so quickly!
Today is my eldest brother's birthday. Sunday is mine, and Tuesday is Little Sister's. She is having her very first sleepover as we speak--and her mom is petrified. Dad keeps saying, 'This is nothing! Jenny and Lori used to have ten or twelve at a time!' LOL but it doesn't make her feel any better. We had boys at our sleepovers, too, but I don't think Dad told her that! 
Tomorrow my day will start with a pedicure at 9:30 (compliments of my mom's friend, L). Then Mom, L and the boys and I will go to Get Smart and out to lunch. It is supposed to be 100 degrees so no one wants to cook.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 12:52:06 AM
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(Cindy is way too unschool for my own peace of mind. I couldn't do it myself  ).
Thank you. 
I had a nice evening with my friend. We went to Applebees and then did some shopping. I am not a shopper but she likes it, and it definitely is more fun with a friend. She returned the favor by looking at plants with me. 
I have to finish pulling portfolios together so I can have them evaluated Monday. They're due . . . yep, you guessed it, Monday. 
Of course I am working all weekend. Some year I might learn to start this process earlier, but then I think my evaluator would die of shock. Besides, I only have 5 more years of doing this (if we stay in PA that long), and if I haven't figured it out in the past 5 years then the next 5 are kinda doubtful.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 2:37:58 AM
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At least Parent Trap makes sort of sense and is a situation that my kids could never find themselves in even close to being in.
So Kitt does it in the movie as well. How disappointing. <sigh>
I have been looking at the beautiful girl stuff. it is so expensive, but it is more what we need than the AG stuff. It is so hard buying for Sarah as she does not need more toys. The one idea we had AS also had, and I may let her be the one to do it. I want whatever we get to be special. I don't want it to be a missed shot. Her birthday is coming up so fast that we may have to put her birthday off a bit. With all the appointments and such I have just not been able to go shopping for her.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 8:37:53 AM
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Along the line of stories that encourage bad behavior...I've always been a little irritated at all the Christian books and movies where a Christian character will fall in love with and/or marry an unbeliever because God told them to. Many times they are otherwise good books, and oftentimes even based on the Bible (such as Hosea) but they clearly ignore God's command to not marry an unbeliever. Some of the books I'm talking about are "Love Comes Softly" by Janette Oak, "Redeeming Love" by Francine Rivers, and "When Heaven Weeps" by Ted Dekker.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 8:40:52 AM
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Who was the unbeliever in Love Comes Soflty? I am not familiar with most "romantic" type books. It just isn't my thing.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 8:44:37 AM
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Missy. She marries Clark in a marriage of convenience, and he shows her God's love and later she gets saved.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 9:05:37 AM
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Along the line of stories that encourage bad behavior...I've always been a little irritated at all the Christian books and movies where a Christian character will fall in love with and/or marry an unbeliever because God told them to. Many times they are otherwise good books, and oftentimes even based on the Bible (such as Hosea) but they clearly ignore God's command to not marry an unbeliever. Some of the books I'm talking about are "Love Comes Softly" by Janette Oak, "Redeeming Love" by Francine Rivers, and "When Heaven Weeps" by Ted Dekker.
Yes, but to me...those are books for adults, even though I read the Janette Oak ones as a teen. And you know what...sometimes (HA!) people IRL do mess up...badly. I don't see anything wrong with Christian books that portray that and then show how the grace of God can bring it all back to His glory. We don't live in a fairy tale world. We live in a world full of sinning, broken people who desperately need God's forgiveness and love.
I guess I see a difference in a child/teen's book with a child/teen doing stupid things and a book for adults that portrays reality for many.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 9:06:44 AM
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I didn't realize that she gets saved later. In the movie, I assumed that she is one of those Christians that hadn't learn what it meant to really live for God and lean on Him. And learned that through the way Clark treated her and lived. Hm.
I couldn't find any used or affordable BG books, but had another meaningful idea. We are making Sarah a ballet barre and buying some videos that will show her how to exercise on it. She has wanted one and I know that she love it and use it.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 9:20:04 AM
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Along the line of stories that encourage bad behavior...I've always been a little irritated at all the Christian books and movies where a Christian character will fall in love with and/or marry an unbeliever because God told them to. Many times they are otherwise good books, and oftentimes even based on the Bible (such as Hosea) but they clearly ignore God's command to not marry an unbeliever. Some of the books I'm talking about are "Love Comes Softly" by Janette Oak, "Redeeming Love" by Francine Rivers, and "When Heaven Weeps" by Ted Dekker.
Yes, but to me...those are books for adults, even though I read the Janette Oak ones as a teen. And you know what...sometimes (HA!) people IRL do mess up...badly. I don't see anything wrong with Christian books that portray that and then show how the grace of God can bring it all back to His glory. We don't live in a fairy tale world. We live in a world full of sinning, broken people who desperately need God's forgiveness and love.
I guess I see a difference in a child/teen's book with a child/teen doing stupid things and a book for adults that portrays reality for many.
My beef with them is that in these books, God supposedly told them to marry the unbeliever. Like I said, though, a couple of them had reasons to do so (to show Christ's love for us--while we were still sinners) but I still have a problem with it.
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I guess I see a difference in a child/teen's book with a child/teen doing stupid things and a book for adults that portrays reality for many.
I don't see a difference. They both portray reality. Kids disobey parents, adults disobey God. They both do something they were told not to do and later on it all turns out okay.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 9:25:54 AM
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Can God bring good out of even the worst things we have done wrong, when we repent and allow Him to work?
If not, my husband and I might as well throw in the towel now.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 9:33:17 AM
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Where they can turn out ok, and even great, It isn't something that God told them to do and there are usually consequences even if it does turn out ok in the end. But I think what LLisa is saying is that there isn't just a couple of books and movies doing this, but that there seems to be a devoloping pattern of condoning disobedience to God without any real consequences.
It does happen, but not without consequences. And many times even very harsh consequences. Russ' parents were the exception to the rule, and yet, even then, I don't think that it was easy. Mom P will tell you outright that she was in disobedience when she married Dad. It is all good now, but...
ETA: Donna, I know that you wouldn't recommend that anyone do things the way you did even though that God has performed miracles and your family is very blessed. And he does for other people too, but it doesn't always end up that way. These sorts of story lines are being bought into by people who want to be told what they want to hear... and they lived happily ever after. I may not read these books, but I have seen adults who think that so-n-so will be saved after they are dating or married.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 9:35:14 AM
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I always thought Redeemed was not just a new story with a Hosea theme but a retelling of Hosea in more modern times. See the difference?
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 9:42:31 AM
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that there seems to be a devoloping pattern of condoning disobedience to God without any real consequences.
Maybe the difference is that I am living it, so it's not hard for me to imagine the consequences are there even if they are not spelled out letter by letter.
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These sorts of story lines are being bought into by people who want to be told what they want to hear... and they lived happily ever after. I may not read these books, but I have seen adults who think that so-n-so will be saved after
I think there have always been people that believed that. I don't think that comes from the books at all.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 9:50:23 AM
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that there seems to be a devoloping pattern of condoning disobedience to God without any real consequences.
Maybe the difference is that I am living it, so it's not hard for me to imagine the consequences are there even if they are not spelled out letter by letter.
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These sorts of story lines are being bought into by people who want to be told what they want to hear... and they lived happily ever after. I may not read these books, but I have seen adults who think that so-n-so will be saved after
I think there have always been people that believed that. I don't think that comes from the books at all.
Yeah, that may have something to do with it. People who haven't been through or that are in denial about why they are having so much dificulties are still free to live in their fantasy worlds or maybe they just don't have the discernment to see where it is headed yet.
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Yes, there have always been people like that, but I think that when the media gets involved it grows roots so deep that it not only makes a bad situation worse, but also it is harder to extract the roots and clean up the damage it does to our philosophy of life/world view or whatever.
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 9:51:10 AM
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Has Sarah had her baby yet? I was looking for a baby thread and didn't find one. If there is one, could someone supply the link?
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RE: June lilies, June bug, June.....homeschool Chat - 6/28/2008 10:16:35 AM
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Can God bring good out of even the worst things we have done wrong, when we repent and allow Him to work?
Of course he does. What I'm talking about is the idea that God would command, suggest, or even just be okay with a child of His marrying an unbeliever. He specifically said not to do that. Do people do that? Sure. Does God bring good out of those situations? Of course. But He didn't tell them to do it in the first place.
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I always thought Redeemed was not just a new story with a Hosea theme but a retelling of Hosea in more modern times. See the difference?
Yes, it's the Hosea story, which is very Biblical, but it's also in the Old Testament. Bringing into modern times has one little problem: It crosses into New Testament times. In the time period it was set in (the 1800's) the command in the New Testament to not marry an unbeliever applies. So Mr. Hosea could not have been told by God in the 1800's to marry an unbeliever. It's a great story other than that little detail. So is "When Heaven Weeps" and several other of Ted Dekker's books that follow the same basic story line, such as the Circle Trilogy | | |
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Anyway, cover with cute or pretty or something pleasant to the eye and play good music and you can basically tell the audience that they are fat and ugly and wrecking the earth and that standing up to your parents and doing what you please and stealing people's horses and so forth is just great as long as you don't raise your voice and your hair is nicely combed. People are paying for this stuff. And they are being slowly indoctrinated with a smile on their face and taking the kids right along for some "family [strike] indoctrination [/strike] entertainment.
