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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/13/2008 9:46:19 AM
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freakofnature
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As to Christian Music as entertainment, there is no reason that it should be "secondary" to anything. We should have the best singers, the best instrumentalists, the best composers. And we should be leading the wave on new styles.
After all, we have the Holy Spirit who is the ultimate in creativity. The world does not.
Dave, my friend. I am with you 100%. First, When I mean "culturally involved" I guess I meant that it isn't about songs relating to homelessness, the plight of the lower class, guns, booze or women!
Secondly, Yes, yes yes, Christian entertainment should be leading the way to new styles and isn't secondary to anything, don't forget my many many posts on Christ Centered Entertainment. But this all begs the question: "Why then is most Christian music considered secondary already?" Does this mean that the current availability of Christian entertainment resources are not spirit lead? Maybe it is time to rethink this whole genre thing????
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/13/2008 12:16:56 PM
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When I mean "culturally involved" I guess I meant that it isn't about songs relating to homelessness, the plight of the lower class, guns, booze or women! THose have NO PLACE in P&W music. Lyrically it should focus on HIM.
side note: how many current P&W songs have the focus on "me?" Try counting the number of MEs compared to how many times the Lord is addressed and you will probably find it pretty disgusting.
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Maybe it is time to rethink this whole genre thing???? Ya think??
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/13/2008 2:36:34 PM
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The harder music usually embraces the warfare style of our faith, while the softer is for worship.
I think I have worshipped just as much to hard music (okay, for my time, that was Petra) as I have to softer music.
I just think it depends on what style of music you like. Me, I like big band, but it does not seem to be a genre making a big comeback in Christian music, so.....I do have about 3 big band Christian music CDs (Ralph Carmichael and the Chris McDonald band).
Give Denver and the Mile High Orchestra a listen. Serious swing with a message.
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/13/2008 2:48:00 PM
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DaveW: Ya think??
Why! Yes I do DaveW.
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THose have NO PLACE in P&W music. Lyrically it should focus on HIM.
Otherwise, I know that... and that was my point???? I was addressing mapachito13 and his concern that P&W is tedious and bouncy "happy-happy Joy-joy" Music. I think it is mapachito that is maybe missing the point.
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/16/2008 12:48:13 AM
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Christian rock is well represented, so there's no fear there. It's some of the other "many genres" that are a little dubious. Christian rap has made some strides recently but nothing near what CCM and Christian rock has done. Christian country is pretty much non-existent, too, though thee have been a few good artists like Paul Overstreet.
Then again, if you listen to some of the posters on this forum, they will tell you all Christian music is contrived, cookie-cutter, inauthentic or just plain boring. And all secular music is worthy of plunking down $20 for? I don't think so.
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/16/2008 11:39:16 AM
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DaveW: Ya think??
Why! Yes I do DaveW.
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THose have NO PLACE in P&W music. Lyrically it should focus on HIM.
Otherwise, I know that... and that was my point???? I was addressing mapachito13 and his concern that P&W is tedious and bouncy "happy-happy Joy-joy" Music. I think it is mapachito that is maybe missing the point.
Only if the Psalms are too! Not every one of those are happy-happy-joy-joy and many of those have been put into modern music.
I am not saying to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am just saying that the bouncy-bouncy music groups could use a little reality check!
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/16/2008 11:48:31 AM
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Only if the Psalms are too! Not every one of those are happy-happy-joy-joy and many of those have been put into modern music.
I am not saying to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am just saying that the bouncy-bouncy music groups could use a little reality check!
Okay then? There is, I think, a time and place for the happy happy joy joy music, otherwise, we should just recite the book of psalms every Sunday and have an organ player just play G-C-D in 4/4 time quietly in th background? There is another thread in the "men only" folder where as there is a discussion on whether church is too feminine and one of the concerns is about the music. If we believe, or those writing the music, believe that it has been a gift from God, I just don't get what the complaining is for?
(nothin' personal mapachito13, I'm just sayin')
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/16/2008 2:42:19 PM
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...otherwise, we should just recite the book of psalms every Sunday and have an organ player just play G-C-D in 4/4 time quietly in th background? Well, that would be better than a G - C - G - C going on ad nauseaum. There is a psyco-acoustic effect if 2 major chords are alternated, (especially the 1-4 combo) that produces a type of hypnotism. That combo should be avoided.
from http://www.sfxmachine.com/docs/musicandconsciousness.html
The repetition of phrase and motif, the complicated rhythm within a rhythm that is characteristic of much of this music, may explain why man throughout recorded history and in the multiplicity of modern cultures has used music, both instrumental and vocal, for inducing the trance. When these phenomena are subjected to experimental study, some forms of music will be found to be much more hypnogenetic than others, and some persons will be more susceptible than others. For example, Ravel’s ‘Bolero’ can hardly fail to induce definite trances in some listeners. Ancient man knew of the trance-inducing qualities of music and used it for this purpose. The Druids, at the beginning of the Christian Era, were versatile in their use of hypnosis, and music was one of their chief ways of inducing "magical sleep."
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/16/2008 3:01:51 PM
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Only if the Psalms are too! Not every one of those are happy-happy-joy-joy and many of those have been put into modern music.
I am not saying to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am just saying that the bouncy-bouncy music groups could use a little reality check!
Okay then? There is, I think, a time and place for the happy happy joy joy music, otherwise, we should just recite the book of psalms every Sunday and have an organ player just play G-C-D in 4/4 time quietly in th background? There is another thread in the "men only" folder where as there is a discussion on whether church is too feminine and one of the concerns is about the music. If we believe, or those writing the music, believe that it has been a gift from God, I just don't get what the complaining is for?
(nothin' personal mapachito13, I'm just sayin')
The two phrases I bolded are IMO in agreement. I'm not saying P & W music has NO place and there is also good p & w music that are not only great lyrically but musically as well. (JMT is a very good example of this.) I just tire easily of formulaic bouncy-bouncy p & w whose only spirit I feel is to provide entertainment and not a prayerful experience or just to sell CDs.
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/16/2008 3:16:36 PM
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Well, that would be better than a G - C - G - C going on ad nauseaum. There is a psyco-acoustic effect if 2 major chords are alternated, (especially the 1-4 combo) that produces a type of hypnotism. That combo should be avoided.
from http://www.sfxmachine.com/docs/musicandconsciousness.html
Yeah, Dave, I'll have to check the link when I get home, no sound here at the office. I will say though that I have heard the argument before about church is more now just psychosis than truth. I think it was ABC "20/20" once did a story about what goes on in the mind during praise and worship music and prayer from the likes of Benny Hinn and his healing ceremonies that it is all just mind games because the surroundings are conducive to allowing for brain waves to cause different reactions.
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/16/2008 4:12:48 PM
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The two phrases I bolded are IMO in agreement
Totally awesome! Just so as we are all in agreement here... Oh wait. What are we arguing over???? Jus' kiddin'!
I guess if I had an answer i'd start my own record company. I am pretty well of the opinion that all music of the pop culture sound has been completely dumbed down and I do agree that there are the P&W groups out there lookin' to cash in and try to relate to the pop culture style of music, but as it were, we don't know the motivations of said groups unless they publicize them. (and as a side note, I really don't even listen to Praise and Worship except at church whereas I play bass for the Worship team, so I listen to what I have to in order to get the music for a particular song if we don't have the written music for said song)
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/17/2008 6:17:38 AM
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The two phrases I bolded are IMO in agreement
Totally awesome! Just so as we are all in agreement here... Oh wait. What are we arguing over???? Jus' kiddin'!
I guess if I had an answer i'd start my own record company. I am pretty well of the opinion that all music of the pop culture sound has been completely dumbed down and I do agree that there are the P&W groups out there lookin' to cash in and try to relate to the pop culture style of music, but as it were, we don't know the motivations of said groups unless they publicize them. (and as a side note, I really don't even listen to Praise and Worship except at church whereas I play bass for the Worship team, so I listen to what I have to in order to get the music for a particular song if we don't have the written music for said song)
That's what I'm talking about and since you are a bass player you went up in my coolness scale 50 points. Music is so lacking without the low punch of a bass. The drums and guitar don't sound as powerful. I better stop now before all the guitar player that think that a "band doesn't need a bass player" start that whole topic again! 
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/17/2008 6:57:35 AM
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As to "not needing a bass player," we have a couple of songs that bass and drums are the only accompaniment for much of the song.
And Taiko drum groups as well as native american music need neither bass nor guitar. As well as Scottish bagpipe brigades, drum and bugle corps, etc. etc. so some people in the world don't think a guitar or bass guitar is needed for good music but I like music that uses both!
[Rodney Dangefield sounding voice] Bass players get no respect! No respect! 
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/20/2008 8:14:25 AM
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Morning Waits
by As I lay dying
All along it was me who changed
Morning now waits for me
All along it was me
Morning now waits
Morning now waits for me
What I have to gain does not matter
If what I give is all to You
If what I give is all to You
I have seen the stars fall (yeah)
And the sun rise again
But You are yet to change
You are all that is
You are all that is worth
You are all that is worth living for
What I have to gain does not matter
If what I give is all to You
If what I give is all to You
All along it is was
It is was me who changed
You are all that is worth living for
That's a metalcore worship song.
Or, if you prefer something less cheery,
In Reverence of
by Impending Doom
Loving God how could You take the only thing I felt love from? Where was Your love? Where was Your comfort that I spoke of? In this world ran by the enemy, which lead me to think You to be the first to damn my lack of faith and trust left me in a hole of unbelief. Forgive me. She will remain in our hearts forever. On this earth when flesh dies our souls will reunite. She spoke to me of who You are and how Your love could never separate us, and how You did things only for good and casted out all that is bad. Forgive me mother for my doubt; my holy Father will cast him out. Again! Come back Jesus, cast out Satan, Again! A-men. Thank You for this loss, thank You for your blood, thank You for the 16 years of life with her and for the everlasting joy I'll have when You come back and save us from this hell. Come back Father God of life; enrich us with Your wealth.
Ahh yes. Good old christian death metal:)
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/20/2008 8:38:48 AM
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Morning Waits
by As I lay dying
All along it was me who changed
Morning now waits for me
All along it was me
Morning now waits
Morning now waits for me
What I have to gain does not matter
If what I give is all to You
If what I give is all to You
I have seen the stars fall (yeah)
And the sun rise again
But You are yet to change
You are all that is
You are all that is worth
You are all that is worth living for
What I have to gain does not matter
If what I give is all to You
If what I give is all to You
All along it is was
It is was me who changed
You are all that is worth living for
That's a metalcore worship song.
Or, if you prefer something less cheery,
In Reverence of
by Impending Doom
Loving God how could You take the only thing I felt love from? Where was Your love? Where was Your comfort that I spoke of? In this world ran by the enemy, which lead me to think You to be the first to damn my lack of faith and trust left me in a hole of unbelief. Forgive me. She will remain in our hearts forever. On this earth when flesh dies our souls will reunite. She spoke to me of who You are and how Your love could never separate us, and how You did things only for good and casted out all that is bad. Forgive me mother for my doubt; my holy Father will cast him out. Again! Come back Jesus, cast out Satan, Again! A-men. Thank You for this loss, thank You for your blood, thank You for the 16 years of life with her and for the everlasting joy I'll have when You come back and save us from this hell. Come back Father God of life; enrich us with Your wealth.
Ahh yes. Good old christian death metal:)
I could imagine the response playing these metalcore songs at a service would generate. But IMHO, MIX IT UP!
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RE: What's your opinion on the many genres of Christian... - 6/20/2008 7:41:27 PM
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HisFish
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Morning Waits
by As I lay dying
All along it was me who changed
Morning now waits for me
All along it was me
Morning now waits
Morning now waits for me
What I have to gain does not matter
If what I give is all to You
If what I give is all to You
I have seen the stars fall (yeah)
And the sun rise again
But You are yet to change
You are all that is
You are all that is worth
You are all that is worth living for
What I have to gain does not matter
If what I give is all to You
If what I give is all to You
All along it is was
It is was me who changed
You are all that is worth living for
That's a metalcore worship song
These lyrics give a whole new meaning to ambiguity.
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