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narnia -> Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/4/2008 12:36:38 PM)

Welcome to the month of Sivan! Remember that this is a fellowship thread, not a debate thread.



narnia -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/4/2008 12:43:49 PM)

Hi David,

I do not attend Jon's congregation, nor Eddie Chumney's. I'm not in the same area they are.

Bluethread,

We do the best we can in the world we live in. God knows that sometimes things happen that are beyond our control. At least you're going to the graduation-I know some that would not allow their child to participate at all if it was on Shabbat.Congratulations to you and your son! What are his future plans?



p31woman -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/4/2008 1:11:02 PM)

Just fyi, my beloved congregation now has video streaming of Shabbat services! I watched last week, and it was *almost* as good as being there (I've moved out of state and can't attend anymore [:(]). I think they're limiting it to members for now, but you might keep checking the website. Audio files are always available here, though.



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/4/2008 1:43:42 PM)

Why the change of Shavuot to a Monday or Tuesday?

I may have the history on it, but can never keep up with all my notes. lol.
I still hold it to be on the first day of the week following the seventh sabbath.

I know there is a Rabbinic tradition there somewhere.
I guess I could google it. LOL.



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/4/2008 1:45:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: p31woman

Just fyi, my beloved congregation now has video streaming of Shabbat services! I watched last week, and it was *almost* as good as being there (I've moved out of state and can't attend anymore [:(]). I think they're limiting it to members for now, but you might keep checking the website. Audio files are always available here, though.



WOW, there's a lot of stuff there.
thanks



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/4/2008 3:16:52 PM)

I am curious about how long each of you have been practicing Messianics, if you don't mind mentioning. I have only been fully practicing since mid-December of 1999, so that makes it just 8.5 years.
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I want to thank G-d for my boss. He is so good to me! I work for a Christian church, yet he would attempt to move mountains for me, if necessary, to make sure I have my holy days off. He is so kind and generous! I thank G-d for that kind of boss and for my workplace. Yes, I have Monday off for Shavuot, and he doesn't mind if I come in and work on Sunday, to make sure I get things done.



p31woman -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/4/2008 3:48:59 PM)

What do you mean "fully practicing"?

I grew up strictly observing the Sabbath, holy days, Biblical kosher, etc. from birth to age 22 when I stopped, but wasn't Messianic. I started attending a Messianic congregation in October 2005 and became a member in May 2006. Only as of last month have I gone kosher again. I'm slowly incorporating what are new traditions for me-- lighting the Shabbat candles, the seder, mezuzot, etc.-- and at the same time feel drawn to go back to the observances I grew up with (sabbath-keeping, kosher, unleavened bread, taking off work for holy days, etc.). So to answer your question: in one sense, all my life, and in another, for about 3 years. [:D]

It's an interesting journey, especially having just married a man to whom all this is foreign and moved to a town with no Messianic congregation (only one reform temple). [:)]



drussell52 -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/4/2008 4:46:42 PM)

Hi all. Glad to see a new thread, convenient for moving about.. First, Narnia thanks for the reply. The member now from the Dakotas, thanks for the web site reference to Baruch HaShem. Will poke around when time permits.. Abiya, interesting question concerning length of time being a practicing Messianic. I was introduced to this 2 summers ago, and still feel very much under construction as it were. Current lifestyle doesn't permite me to fully embrace the Messianic lifestyle, but as a friend recently admonished me- job is to plant seeds not do it all. So, I feel very much in the seed planting mode, but am thankful to realize I am not just in relationship with God, but a covenental relationship with God King of the universe as well as prophet and High Priest. As a middle-aged adult who didn't get married until his early 40s, and much of adulthood prior to that was spent supporting self and career, to see relationships as established covenants is new but very much enriching. I thank our LORD daily that we are in process and ever being redeemed. Oh what a Savior! Praise to YHVH! David



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/4/2008 5:21:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga

I am curious about how long each of you have been practicing Messianics, if you don't mind mentioning. I have only been fully practicing since mid-December of 1999, so that makes it just 8.5 years.
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I want to thank G-d for my boss. He is so good to me! I work for a Christian church, yet he would attempt to move mountains for me, if necessary, to make sure I have my holy days off. He is so kind and generous! I thank G-d for that kind of boss and for my workplace. Yes, I have Monday off for Shavuot, and he doesn't mind if I come in and work on Sunday, to make sure I get things done.


We've been at it for about a year and 7 months.
We will probably never be practicing messianics,
as everyone here are goyim. lol.

It sure makes for hound-dog style study determining
what is Biblical and what isn't. My life hasn't changed
much as far as the faith walk goes. We changed from
sunday keeping to Shabbat observance. Which was a
big plus from the git go.

We had a visitor last night that was telling us about a study
that was done concerning a day of rest.
They had many groups resting on the different days.
Those who rested on Saturday were physically more rested.

They did a study of a two day, etc. resting each week.
Those that had at least one sabbath in their rest period did
better than those who say did wednesday and thursday.
I thought that was real interesting. I'd like to see such a report.

Science is always validating what God laid out for us from the beginning.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/4/2008 11:56:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: p31woman
What do you mean "fully practicing"?

Well, it's just that I started practicing Sabbath in the mid '80s, without really calling it that -- it was simply a day off for me, even though I never understood why the churches kept Sundays.

Later, I attended various shuls, until I found my present one, but I continued in the church. I didn't fully start the hallacah until I got kicked out of the church. It was just too difficult for me to try to do both.

I have watched you grow, P31. Nothing's ever sure on the Internet, but this was my perception. I am pleased to read your post about it. [sm=icon_smile.gif]
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David, we are all learning. It is a journey. Although I thrust the church out of my life with joy and great release, I still have much of their bad teaching to relieve myself of. (This is not against all churches; just against the one I was in.)

And congratulations on your marriage! How long have you been married now?
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Lapidoth, to those of you who study and learn at a distance, I congratulate you on your desire to learn and grow. I hope you have a lot of great resources around you. It is a privilege to work these things out in community, but when there is no community, G-d is still there. Still, you people who pull this off -- wow!



manichunter -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 10:56:56 AM)

I have found some like minded people, praise God. I sort of got kicked off of the regular christian threads in theology and discussion. They said I was not compatible with the environment. It kind of hurt my feelings to see brothers in Christ do me that way. I did not mean any harm, eventhough I know I come off hard and non-compromising. What do you expect from a former Drill Sergeant and current Law Enforcement Officer. I am livewire that loves truth and growth. Sometimes my zeal is misunderstood. It hurts other people's carnal sensibilities and identities. This is not my intentions. I merely want to share the things that awe and knock me off my feet. I have found most not receptive to a message that says there is nothing wrong with observing the Festivals. I will keep my word and leave my fellow brothers alone.

Anyway.............
Can I fellowship (not debate) with you guys. I promise to be good and I have never been disrespectful. I am new to the Festivals and New moons etc. We as a congregation started to implement them in about 1999. We began to share them with other chruches recently. We also purposely left our church building to start home churches (my pastor has yet to give me the whole vision other than it will come a time when this will be the norm for the saints). I am one of the assistance ministers to my pastor. I am dry for fellowship with people who grasp the the revelations of God concerning His Holy Days and Israel.



Bluethread -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 12:02:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: narnia

Hi David,

I do not attend Jon's congregation, nor Eddie Chumney's. I'm not in the same area they are.

Bluethread,

We do the best we can in the world we live in. God knows that sometimes things happen that are beyond our control. At least you're going to the graduation-I know some that would not allow their child to participate at all if it was on Shabbat.Congratulations to you and your son! What are his future plans?


Thanks for the understanding. He is not sure what exactly he is going to do. He is in retail clothing sales at the moment, but doesn't see this as a carreer. He is talking about going to college. I have told him not to worry too much if he can't go right away unless it means he will lose financial aid. I am concerned that some kids who go to college right out of high school just see it as an extention of childhood. I haven't raised my son that way. Since his Bar Mitzvah I have communicated with him as a man and not a boy.

He has considered several things over the years, but right now he is a bit overwhelmed with the realities of being responsible for himself. He wanted me to just add him to my insurance and that would be that. However, I made him go through the whole insurance purchasing process. That was enlightening for him and his car broke down in the mean time anyway. I am working with him on developing a budget and gameplan for the immediate future.

This may sound like I am a very harsh frather, but he has become a very responsible young man and we have a very good relationship.



LBolt -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 12:12:49 PM)

Shalom manichunter! I'm sorry that this has happen to you! I'm surprised I haven't been admonished by the mods yet! LOL!

I'm always saying why not Torah, the Feasts, etc. and how pagan x-mas, easter... is! I guess they are use to me and Lapidoth's rhetoric! If you consider yourself new, I must be an infant! I've started around this time last year observing Sabbath, Feasts, etc. I've been blown away![:D] I've been saved for a long time and it's like being born again. I'm like a kid in a candy factory! I have a lot to learn and want to soak up as much as I can, so I appreciate any input from others that causes me to search and learn more of God's truth.

You are much invited to fellowship here. This is like a little safe-haven where you can retreat from the missles and 50-cal fire in the other threads.

God bless Brother and much love to you!



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 12:31:52 PM)

quote:

Can I fellowship (not debate) with you guys.


LOL. Welcome. You will be a blessing here.
The one that started this thread was quite clear this isn't a place for "debate."
When there are "like-minds" how can there be debate? lol.
Discussions, yes, argument, no.

We may need to sew each others eye-lids up after being in the other threads. lol.

quote:

I'm like a kid in a candy factory!


I think that explains it pretty good. Only, I think I've eaten so much I'm getting
a tummy ache. lol. And I have found a morsel or two that leaves a bad taste in your mouth.



manichunter -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 1:11:25 PM)

I started a few threads that got shot down quicker than you can say wow. I did not type anything offensive. However, the Mod's had a few email chats with me and they decided that I was not the right type of person for their forum. I disagreed, but they are the boss of their own forum in "Christ". The threads are still in the Theology sections but closed. You can view them and judge for yourself. Did I come off as half crazy and judgemental. Maybe I need another objective point of view. If I was in error, then I will repent, but I have not felt any conviction as of yet except the one in Luke 9:49, 50. I want people to have an honest prospective of my motives and character in order to fellowship with them. I by no means no it all, but desire to know more. I get in trouble for being so zealous sometimes. I have gotten a mountains worth of better in that department.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 1:25:23 PM)

Manichunter, I have not read your posts that I can recall. Seeing your name here, I did a double-take, because it was the first time I connected your name with Messianism. So please understand that this is not against you. Also, please understand that my statements here may make enemies of others here.

I will probably not be making friends by this post, I am sure, but really, I must write that sometimes, we can be horribly overbearing and rude to Christians. I will have to admit that I hesitated to come to this forum, because I love to chat, but sometimes, we Messianics have a really difficult attitude. We (and I emphasize WE!) come across as so know-it-all, as G-d's gift to earth to correct the fallacies of Christendom, as judges of their holidays and practices.

Christians are my friends. Most are good people who are also searching for the way that pleases G-d, just as we are. (Don't most of us admit that we neither know it all nor practice what we know perfectly?) Why do we so often stive to specifically make them squirm?

Most of the Christians on this board know about Christmas and Easter, etc., their origins, their pagan practices, etc. Why keep pushing it? Can we not just step back, be a little quieter, and let the H Spirit be the Convictor, in His time, when He knows they are ready?

G-d help us to be light and truth to all, to be honey and not vinegar, to understand our own faults before we see those of others!



p31woman -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 1:59:24 PM)

quote:

I have watched you grow, P31. Nothing's ever sure on the Internet, but this was my perception. I am pleased to read your post about it.


Thank you. [:)]



manichunter -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 2:21:58 PM)

Thanks Covaan. I agree with your sit back approach, and this should not make you any enemies among brothers. We might disagree sometimes, but never should we be enemies, that is not of God.

I do not know it all but I try to stay humble and meek. I am new to these revelations and hence I am a little excited I figure. I am also just getting to learn the protocol of these arenas of forums. I have a lot to learn, period. This is why am looking for such forums to learn and share with like minded people.

You are right in you ascertian that it is the Spirit's job to convict of error. However, the info has to cross their path somehow. I just have to be obediant as to when, and make sure it is not me. This is the problem when we share from our own carnality and personal attitude. Rebuke me openily for doing that................



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 2:50:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga

Manichunter, I have not read your posts that I can recall. Seeing your name here, I did a double-take, because it was the first time I connected your name with Messianism. So please understand that this is not against you. Also, please understand that my statements here may make enemies of others here.

I will probably not be making friends by this post, I am sure, but really, I must write that sometimes, we can be horribly overbearing and rude to Christians. I will have to admit that I hesitated to come to this forum, because I love to chat, but sometimes, we Messianics have a really difficult attitude. We (and I emphasize WE!) come across as so know-it-all, as G-d's gift to earth to correct the fallacies of Christendom, as judges of their holidays and practices.

Christians are my friends. Most are good people who are also searching for the way that pleases G-d, just as we are. (Don't most of us admit that we neither know it all nor practice what we know perfectly?) Why do we so often stive to specifically make them squirm?

Most of the Christians on this board know about Christmas and Easter, etc., their origins, their pagan practices, etc. Why keep pushing it? Can we not just step back, be a little quieter, and let the H Spirit be the Convictor, in His time, when He knows they are ready?

G-d help us to be light and truth to all, to be honey and not vinegar, to understand our own faults before we see those of others!



That really irritates me.........j/k lol.

You have delicately and lovingly put it into perspective.
This last month I have had to really mellow out, especially internally.
I've come across some who were pretty offensive and I had to realize
that what was offensive to me through them, was most probably offensive
about me to others. So, this last two weeks especially I have really had
to internalize and repent.

I do know that I am never wrong. But I keep finding out how misinformed
I've been. So, I continually have to be making corrections. Okay, so being
misinformed isn't a good enough excuse. I was wrong. lol.

I still think it sounds good: "I'm never wrong, just misinformed."

quote:

I started a few threads that got shot down quicker than you can say wow.


We do find ourselves violating TOS and forum policies.
And so many threads get started about the same topic it would be
impossible to keep up with them, so sometimes we get dumped into
the "all things . . . . ." abyss. Anything to do with the Law winds up
in the Law thread. We may want to talk about one particular thing
about the Law, but it goes to the heap. lol. After awhile you'll get
used to it and will appreciate it when you understand their problems as well.

But once we know and/or understand the policies we can appreciate
where the moderators are coming from. They actually do a great job.

Preterists come and find the same problem. They get stuck in a one thread only
situation. And I appreciate that. But, it doesn't feel so good when that same
policy happens to us. lol. I then understood how a preterist may feel.
But I'm glad they are stuck in their own thread as it doesn't line up with the
doctrine policy of the forum and it always derails a discussion.

Messianic mentality can derail a thread as well. So, we may wind up in our
MG only thread ourselves. lol. but, aren't we a bunch of lovable teddies? lol.

Thanks Covan for the chastisement. lol.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 7:17:49 PM)

First, I want to thank all of you for your sweet attitudes and what you have written. I should have known I could trust you. I really should have.
May HaShem bless all of you -- those who responded and those who did not.

We have come into an understanding that is wonderful, that has surprised us with joy. We have tasted the freedom to follow the Bible in ways we could not have imagined before. We have enjoyed the benefits and the knowledge of following the mitzvot. We dare not allow that to lead to pride.

Why do I suggest such a thing as "leading to pride"? Because I remember what I was like while trying to emerge out of the church, into Messianism. I was not only prideful about my new knowledge, but I was venomously angry at the old church for the abuse I had allowed them to put me through. Sure, this particular one had cultish practices, but they did not hold a gun to my head, forcing me to stay.

And what is hard for me to admit is that at least they introduced me to G-d. Yes, it was a mere form of G-d, regardless, I found Him while still there.

Some of you may have come out of cults as I did; others of you, I suspect, came out of fine churches that taught you the best they knew, gave you the best they had. -- You know what I mean: the church was our cradle. We can at least be grateful for that.

May HaShem bless all of you and make His face, the Messiah, shine on you! Thank you for your gentleness, your meekness. You humble me in the right way. Now, may I act in the way I should as well.



drussell52 -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 9:38:26 PM)

Hi all. Manichunter welcome!! Today I had a tough time as a Medical Transcriptionist, had dictators who are English as second language, and some things to learn from the reports transcribed that I hadn't known before, been doing this 9 years and learn something new all the time. So, a little tired, but had the crosswalk radio channel on, the hymns setting which has kept me sane today..
Abiyah, I like your posts and thanks for the encouragement to myself and all of us. I have been married once, 12 years this September. Told my wife, since there are no late night sports on TV to get my attention she has a foot massage coming.. OK. Manichunter, welcome and would be curious how you got folk in your church interested in studying things messianic? My pastor (Lutheran) supports the idea of me doing a study group but prefers I market it outside his church, another pastor in this area has agreed to promote it in her congregation and likes my newsletter column. For now, you folk are my messianic community and glad to be in the pot with you as we stir one another to be what G-d wants us to be. Later, off to see if anyone responded to my post on the books forum. Shalom shabbat,
David



manichunter -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/5/2008 10:38:48 PM)

Since I have to be true to myself, I have to say that we cannot let people get away with purposeful act of malice or ill intent if it be so. I say this without intent to address my issue, because they did not come off that why to me. They came off business like and impersonal in their approach of resolving the matter (fine with me), no legit offense to consider. However, if they are just trashing our post due to a lack of not understanding of them or personal biases against the the content of the messages, then this is wrong for a brother to do to another brother in Christ regardless of doctrinal differences. I repeat, I do not know or care in retrospect of my threads if that was the issue.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/6/2008 12:52:02 AM)

DRussell, does it ever amaze you, when you tell someone how long you have been married, and they say, "Wow! That's a long time! Congratulations!" I have to smile when they say that. I guess we have been married for quite awhile, but it is often the norm among believers. At least, it is for many.

Well, my husband isn't giving me a foot massage, but he spent yesterday changing my tire on my car and getting my little old camper ready for Shavuot. What a sweetheart!

I pray that the L-rd continues to bless you in your marriage.[sm=icon_smile.gif]
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Manichunter, I welcome you. I agree that we need to know when to speak and when not to speak; when what we say will build and not tear down the Kingdom and when what we would say will not be heard. It takes discernment, and we don't always get it right.

Believe me, Hunter, I say plenty. I love this hallakah, and it is a joy to speak and write about. Sometimes, when speaking/writing to Christians, I recognize that what I have to say will not likely change them, but if they are gracious (as most of them are), they will simply recognize that what I add gives them a perspective they had not considered, because my basis for thought is different from theirs. Often, that is enough. It is a good thing that we don't have the job of convicting. [;)]

Yes, I agree that we need to tell our perspective, we need to write what we think in various situations. I do it ALL the time! But you will also find me cutting up with the others on the Christmas thread, just having fun. I am often too serious, when my nature is to smile, laugh heartily, and kid around. I need the humor outlet.



LBolt -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/6/2008 9:44:23 AM)

Covaan, you are right and I appreciate your post. I'm too am guilty of trying to "shove it down someone's throat." LOL

I'm learning to by more patient and to tread a little softly! LOL



narnia -> RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 (6/6/2008 12:13:53 PM)

Abiyah,

You are correct. I have a friend who refers to herself as a used to be Torah terrorist, because she had that same attitude. I've seen it happen with others, myself included, when they are discovering the Feasts. Fortunately for me I felt a check in my spirit when I would start to veer off -and I did not join in any of those threads here until I had been celebrating and understanding the Feasts for a couple of years.

It's been years since I have participated in any of those threads-for one I don't have the time to keep up and two I have found it is not a fruitful use of my time. If others can do it and don't have those problems, kudos to them!

Welcome Manichunter!

Bluethread,
Sounds like your young man has a good plan!

For all those who don't have a community:

Keep in mind that community is not always wonderful either. Remember my posts about the congregational split we had earlier this year? We're still rebuilding and adjusting and even though we have a place to worship, we are still very much outsiders. I've gotten to the point that when invited to other children's birthday parties I now bring a book. This way if I can't engage people in conversation, I have something to occupy my time.



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