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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/5/2008 1:39:22 PM
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CherishedbyGod
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/5/2008 1:53:19 PM
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TomTurn
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not "anti-immigration"......but anti-ILLEGAL immigration....
two entirely different things...please keep them separate.....
impossible to do for many, does not fit the agenda but if one person in the U.S. illegally is voting that is enough for me to speak out against it
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/5/2008 2:05:31 PM
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stamper_ben
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not "anti-immigration"......but anti-ILLEGAL immigration....
two entirely different things...please keep them separate.....
impossible to do for many, does not fit the agenda but if one person in the U.S. illegally is voting that is enough for me to speak out against it
You... xenophobe!
(Now that's a term the left likes to use a lot.)
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/5/2008 2:29:49 PM
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cow451
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Why do you conservative Crosswalkers who support McCain think McCain is a conservative?
I do not think that. But he is clearly the most conservative of the two remaining. But he's also the most moderate. That's why he drives conservatives nuts. It's also why he was at one time the darling Republican candidate among the liberal press and why it was widely speculated that he might be a VP candidate for Kerry.
So if you don't think McCain is a conservative, you're going to vote for him not because of what he stands for but rather because of what the other guy stands for?
"Conservative" like lots of political terms is pretty nebulous. Most consider McLobby a moderate overall. He's conservative on some issues, but not across the board. If you look at how US Presidents actually govern, you won't find many that are on one edge or the other consistently. LBJ and JFK were clearly liberal on civil rights and most social issues of their time, but were conservatives on most foreign policy matters. Reagan gets lots of credit for conservative policies, but I think he was a moderate in what got done most of the time. And, he did a cut-and-run from Lebanon that rivals the Clinton Somalia campaign.
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/5/2008 2:42:34 PM
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kernsfamily
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Kernsfamily and ljmac:
All I'm saying is that this attitude is akin to voting for somebody because of what they are not as opposed to what they stand for. And it speaks volumes as to what people who support McCain think he stands for - not necessarily you 2 but those who voted him into being the GOP nominee.
If conservatives across the land really wanted a conservative, they might have examined his track record on a few important issues. But it's too late now.
so, from what you're saying....if Iam not so crazy about McCain, but certainily like him better than Obama....then, what? I shouldn't vote at all?
I didn't vote for McCain, BTW....i was a Romney guy....
that's just the way the cookie crumbles, sometimes....you just accept the best you can get.......and, sometimes, you ARE voting for the person you REALLY REALLY want....
when voting, are you ALWAYS voting FOR the person you're backing & supporting 100%? (and, if you don't support that person 100%, then you just don't vote????)
OR, do you look at the 3-4 choices, and pick the best one?
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/5/2008 5:39:25 PM
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ljmac
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Kernsfamily and ljmac:
All I'm saying is that this attitude is akin to voting for somebody because of what they are not as opposed to what they stand for. And it speaks volumes as to what people who support McCain think he stands for - not necessarily you 2 but those who voted him into being the GOP nominee.
If conservatives across the land really wanted a conservative, they might have examined his track record on a few important issues. But it's too late now.
I see nothing unusual voting for someone because of what they aren't.
The GOP is not for conservatives only. They are a conservative leaning party that has guys like Guiliani, Schwarzenegger, and lots others like them.
In this election there was no conservative who was strong enough to unite other conservatives so the election went to McCain, a moderate. He's not a mainstream conservative, but certainly a mainstream Republican.
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/5/2008 9:54:34 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Why do you conservative Crosswalkers who support McCain think McCain is a conservative?
Same reason they believe Mr. Bush is a believer, they feel they have too...
John
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/5/2008 9:55:34 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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I cast my vote and live with the results but our voting system is a joke. Perverted Electoral vote, people voting multiple times, dead people voting, illegals voting and on and on.
Voter fraud is quite rare. The myth is perpetuated by anti-immigration folks and those wanting to limit participation by the poor.
Sure it is... Vote early and vote often wasn't a joke...
John
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/5/2008 10:13:47 PM
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McCain's ratings by conservative groups are much higher than those of Obama. Just saying. They're mostly in the 60-90% range IIRC. He is strongly pro-life for one thing.
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/6/2008 12:46:02 AM
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McCain's ratings by conservative groups are much higher than those of Obama. Just saying. They're mostly in the 60-90% range IIRC. He is strongly pro-life for one thing.
But he also strongly supports the PATRIOT Act. And the REAL ID Act which will require national id cards with RFID chips. RFID chips send out a radio signal so they can track you wherever you go. Big Brother is watching you...
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/7/2008 11:06:42 AM
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PolarBear
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Yeah I know. I didn't say McCain was a conservative on every issue, just that he's not *all* bad.
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/7/2008 12:14:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: PolarBear
McCain's ratings by conservative groups are much higher than those of Obama. Just saying. They're mostly in the 60-90% range IIRC. He is strongly pro-life for one thing.
But he also strongly supports the PATRIOT Act. And the REAL ID Act which will require national id cards with RFID chips. RFID chips send out a radio signal so they can track you wherever you go. Big Brother is watching you...
Is there a reputable link you can provide, that states McCain " strongly supports the REAL ID Act which will require national id cards with RFID chips. RFID chips send out a radio signal so they can track you wherever you go. Big Brother is watching you..."?
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/7/2008 12:56:46 PM
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The Department of Homeland Security has proposed extensive Real ID requirements restricting which state ID cards can be accepted at federal buildings and airports. Do you support those regulations as written, would you want to repeal Real ID, or would you prefer something in between?
McCain: The 9/11 Commission recommended that the federal government set standards for the issuance of birth certificates and sources of identification, such as driver's licenses. Consistent with these recommendations, the Real ID act established federal guidelines to prevent fraud in the issuance and acquisition of identity documents. I support full implementation of Real ID but understand that states need to be given enough time and funding to implement the requirements.
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6224285.html
It is always a pleasure to point out the things that Comrade McCain says. As to what type of RFID chips the cards have I'm not sure yet. There are chips though that can send out a signal.
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/7/2008 1:57:42 PM
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I am what Barack Obama refers to as those "disillusioned Republicans." I've been a registered republican all my life. I am a social conservative. But George Bush really dampened my spirits. I have 0.0 % trust in this man and our entire republican party. Nevertheless, I will remain a republican.
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/7/2008 2:25:26 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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The Department of Homeland Security has proposed extensive Real ID requirements restricting which state ID cards can be accepted at federal buildings and airports. Do you support those regulations as written, would you want to repeal Real ID, or would you prefer something in between?
McCain: The 9/11 Commission recommended that the federal government set standards for the issuance of birth certificates and sources of identification, such as driver's licenses. Consistent with these recommendations, the Real ID act established federal guidelines to prevent fraud in the issuance and acquisition of identity documents. I support full implementation of Real ID but understand that states need to be given enough time and funding to implement the requirements.
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6224285.html
It is always a pleasure to point out the things that Comrade McCain says. As to what type of RFID chips the cards have I'm not sure yet. There are chips though that can send out a signal.
Where does that say, "the REAL ID Act which will require national id cards with RFID chips. RFID chips send out a radio signal so they can track you wherever you go. Big Brother is watching you..."?
BTW, according to the dictionary 'Comrade' means, "chamber mate. 1. a friend; close companion. 2. an associate.
I hope you used this word in its proper meaning.
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/7/2008 8:49:48 PM
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rlj
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Where does that say, "the REAL ID Act which will require national id cards with RFID chips. RFID chips send out a radio signal so they can track you wherever you go. Big Brother is watching you..."?
The state ID cards when it is said and done will be nothing more then national ID cards issued at a state level. If the cards don't meet federal requirements for example you cannot enter a federal building. As to the chips I'm not sure what type. If it is the type that doesn't send out but only sends back a signal then no big brother probably isn't watching. If it is the type that can actually send out it's signal then yes big brother is watching or can watch.
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BTW, according to the dictionary 'Comrade' means, "chamber mate. 1. a friend; close companion. 2. an associate.
It is also a term of endearment I believe that is applied to socialists. I extend it to RINO's. It could be applied to many dems to but they are more honest about it. ; )
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/7/2008 8:51:16 PM
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rlj
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84% of the population is Catholic, age of consent is 14 and their main sport is Soccer.
I love soccer and could easily watch it in just about any country in the world outside the US. I'm sorry but the foreign players and teams are much better then what we have here.
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This is who I'm voting for. He is from the same party I voted for last time. This is consistent with my belief in the failure of the two party system and my disgust with it.
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/7/2008 9:42:03 PM
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Voter fraud is quite rare. Those of you that are saying it happens, do you have any evidence besides slogans? Most claims are easily debunked. This site has some good articles
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/7/2008 10:56:31 PM
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Sen. Mary Landrieu should not have been seated when she was first elected when Woody Jenkins had proof that there were more fraudulent votes cast than he lost the election by.
http://www.nlpc.org/ew/03-2int.htm
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RE: Say it with me, fellow conservatives... - 6/9/2008 7:37:19 AM
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If Obama gets elected in November, I will not:
1. Move to France.
2. Move to Canada.
3. Scream at the top of my lungs that the election was stolen.
I don't plan to do any of these things. What we are currently doing is looking into investing heavily in business friendly countries. Taking our resources to a place where we are not loaded down by heavy taxes and regulations. Countries who understand basic economics and where the citizens see a job as a priviledge not a right. Where employees look for ways to help the business grow and inturn themselves and their community rather than looking for a way to sue the employer and sit at home a draw a check.
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