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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 9:15:10 AM
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Tinkerbell_
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Some of my prayers have gone, "Dude. . . .Jesus. . . I'm not doing so well."
Or maybe, "Hey man. . . I really need you right now."
I guess if that is disrespectful. . . then I guess I'm just a disrespectful guy.
That's how I pray, because that's how I talk. *shrug* It's not disrepectful...it's just how I am.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 9:19:32 AM
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Roberta_
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OK Tinkerbell_- I'll ask you the same question I asked 1love....
Would you pray like that in front of your Bible study knowing that some of them might be offended?
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 10:00:44 AM
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OK Tinkerbell_- I'll ask you the same question I asked 1love....
Would you pray like that in front of your Bible study knowing that some of them might be offended?
I've prayed similarly, so I'll try to answer. Regarding the bible study...how would I know some members might be offended? I don't often pray in front of others, but when I do, yes...I use common everyday language. No one has ever seemed offended. Of course, I don't recall the last time I had prayer or bible study with anyone over 40. (in a small group setting)
When I cry out to God...I CRY OUT TO GOD. I don't use flowery language, I don't worry about what the words would sound like to anyone else.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 10:08:09 AM
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Roberta_
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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva
OK Tinkerbell_- I'll ask you the same question I asked 1love....
Would you pray like that in front of your Bible study knowing that some of them might be offended?
I've prayed similarly, so I'll try to answer. Regarding the bible study...how would I know some members might be offended? I don't often pray in front of others, but when I do, yes...I use common everyday language. No one has ever seemed offended. Of course, I don't recall the last time I had prayer or bible study with anyone over 40. (in a small group setting)
When I cry out to God...I CRY OUT TO GOD. I don't use flowery language, I don't worry about what the words would sound like to anyone else.
Well, the person who was first offended was his mother! He's known her for 54 years or so. I've only known her a few months and knew that she'd be offended. You'd think he'd have known!
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 10:15:58 AM
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Tinkerbell_
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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva
OK Tinkerbell_- I'll ask you the same question I asked 1love....
Would you pray like that in front of your Bible study knowing that some of them might be offended?
To be honest, I don't care if I offend someone when I'm talking to God. I'm not talking to that person. I'm talking to God. If I'm sitting and worrying about offending other people, then I'm not fully concentrating on what I'm doing. Their comfort level is not of importance in that situation.
I've been to prayer meetings where people have been rolling on the floor, screaming, wailing, dancing, carrying on. I was uncomfortable but that was my cross to bear. So I prayed for comfort and was able to communicate with Him in my own way while blocking out the others.
Should those people have stopped what they were doing because I was uncomfortable? Oh I hope not.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 10:39:40 AM
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hellohellohi
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crankius,
Great post back there!
It sounds like we all have a consensus that Jesus was God coming to "our level," which represents the measure of his amazing love.
It leads me to wonder, during that time that He was here to dine with sinners and call the wayward, were they inclined at that time to call Him "dude" (the Aramaic, of course)? I'm not sure that they did. -- But I think that is what we are trying to decide on this thread. Perhaps those who met Him found that He represented a more profound way to understand "friend" then they had ever known. Still, they might have still used the word "friend," lacking a "new word," though something greater was in their hearts than had been for any previous usage. (Heck, "friend" can be as insulting and condescending as "dude" can when used by the wrong person!)
This is the meaning of seeking to be made contemporary with Christ rather than making Christ contemporary with us -- which crankius expressed differently but very well!
ALso, I copied this as I was reading all those new posts, but I forgot who said it.
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It's my belief that once a movement has a name, it's already dead spiritually.
Great quote!
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 11:21:28 AM
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LOL! When you're that age, I guess there's no point in waiting 'til later. LOL!
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 12:59:46 PM
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Would you like me to edit my post, to remove references to this particular word(s)?
Yes--you and the other poster that used a similar reference.
That is a TOS, but if you edit it, yourself, I won't write you up...dude.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 2:07:52 PM
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I've read the thread. I don't know if I can explain my thoughts well, but I'll try.
Christ showed a great condescension when becoming our brother and our friend. By condescension, I refer to the old meaning of a higher person bending down to speak with one below them, like when a king is on friendly terms with those below him.
Christ literally descended to humanity for us. The term "friend" for Christ is at great sacrificial cost. I cannot degrade that friendship with the Creator by referring to Him with such human terms of condescension from me to Him. If I call Him friend, it is with great reverence and recognition that He gave His life for me while I was yet a sinner. While He has condescended to me, it is not my place to condescend to Him by calling Him "dude" or "buddy" or "old man in the sky".
Now, if a drunk on the street is praying to God for the first time and in ignorance of God's greatness refers to Him as "dude", I think God is gracious and merciful. But for those who have heard, seen, and known of God's greatness, referring to Him as "dude" is purposefully condescending from man to God.
While He can descend to us, it is not right for us to place Him into lowliness. We are not high--it is not our place to condescend to God.
When we speak to Him knowingly with such base terminology, it is us condescending to Him as if we are superior and He is inferior, or even as if we are equals--which we are clearly not.
My thoughts exactly.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 2:35:13 PM
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Roberta_
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I agree Wes!
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 2:50:32 PM
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hmm, this is kinda on the subject 
Does anyone else think that the Paul McCartney (Wings?) song that goes "You better listen what the man says..." is talking about God?
:)
Hmmm...interesting 
I'm not feeling that he is, but who knows
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 2:51:54 PM
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Roberta_
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I don't know if he was either. Never was a Beatles fan.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 3:29:34 PM
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hellohellohi
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What do y'all think of this thesis:
One cannot offend God. The worst one can do is to take offense AT God.
I ask this because my inclination is to laugh at the preacher who said "dude," and applaud when his momma boxed his ears! I understand how it could be related to the more sinister aspects of adopting Christianity (and Jesus) to contemporary culture -- but I think that also is a form of "taking offense at God" and shirking what He really is. That is, perhaps one might want to call God dude becuase they resent authority and they think its passe, but, in doing so, they are avoiding a crucial aspect of His nature. However, it also seems to be a crucial aspect of His nature that He came to earth as a SERVANT!! He came as not only a servant to men but to the lowest of men and women -- prostitutes and tex collectors. In that, it is easy to see that He came calling us "friend," in some sense. (I'm trying to work this idea out for myself, you see.) And if we are OFFENDED at the idea, and recoil from the use of teh word "friend" (or "dude," since the are synonymous to some people, truly) perhaps it is because we cannot imagine ourselves or anyone else using ther term without self-interest at heart to some extent. Jesus -- grant this -- did not come with self-interest at heart (but rather the will of the Father, paradoxically -- in order to model what our relationship with the Father can be!!) -- and thus, if he used the word, did not mean "friend" in the offensive sense. Thus, perhaps we ought to accept Jesus as a servant -- lower than a friend! since He did NOT act out of the exigency of reciprocity -- and relate to Him out of a gratitude in that way. I still don't know if this includes calling Jesus "friend." But I am worried that this is only because I am secretly OFFENDED by the idea!! Perhaps we can pray that we can accept Jesus as He came to us, as a servant, without wishing to flee from Him and place Him again at the distance reserved for earthly kings and authorities because we are offended at a servant-king and, perhaps, at the notion that our use of the word "friend" is hard-hearted, selfish, and shameful, while His is not.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 3:46:45 PM
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And if we are OFFENDED at the idea, and recoil from the use of teh word "friend" (or "dude," since the are synonymous to some people, truly) perhaps it is because we cannot imagine ourselves or anyone else using ther term without self-interest at heart to some extent. Jesus -- grant this -- did not come with self-interest at heart (but rather the will of the Father, paradoxically -- in order to model what our relationship with the Father can be!!) -- and thus, if he used the word, did not mean "friend" in the offensive sense. Thus, perhaps we ought to accept Jesus as a servant -- lower than a friend! since He did NOT act out of the exigency of reciprocity -- and relate to Him out of a gratitude in that way. I still don't know if this includes calling Jesus "friend." But I am worried that this is only because I am secretly OFFENDED by the idea!! Perhaps we can pray that we can accept Jesus as He came to us, as a servant, without wishing to flee from Him and place Him again at the distance reserved for earthly kings and authorities because we are offended at a servant-king and, perhaps, at the notion that our use of the word "friend" is hard-hearted, selfish, and shameful, while His is not.
Sup, hello?!!
For a bit o' clarification, I offer this consideration. God/Jesus = sinless perfection. Man = sinful, fallen creature awaiting the return of Christ so that we can be perfected to reside in heaven with Our Father for eternity. I never even thought of self-interest. I thought of the nature of God and how superior He is. Why should I not extall Him and humble myself as much as possible? The gap between us is so wide that it is immeasurable! I would be unable to enter into conversation with God considering Him my "buddy".
I love my children dearly. I am the best friend they have. Whether or not they realize it is inconsequential. However, they will not call me dude. Ever! It is about respect for authority in this case. In the case of us speaking with God, it becomes much more than respect. It becomes worship and awe and thanksgiving for His mercy.
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RE: Dude?!??!?!?!?!?! - 6/18/2008 3:57:14 PM
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hellohellohi
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yes, I agree, but the question of whether Jesus is a friend gets nuanced by the idea that He is King, but also came as a servant. I am wondering whether I am not fleeing from His true message and the nature of His love if I am uncomfortable calling Him friend. Why else would calling Him friend be disrespectful if it wasn't that we were supposing that we were on an equal, that is, reciprocal, footing with Him? I agree that we are not equal, but to the extent that we think He is distant, perhaps He is reaching to pull us toward Him, and to the extent that we try to make too much of ourselves, He might either "put us in our place" or do it by shownig us true love and coming as a servant as He did. Either way would be effective -- but I feel like it is harder to stomach that He came as a servant! That is amazing, and offensive to human sensibility. I'm not saying that that's why YOU are disinclined to say "friend," but I feel like if I say "I am not worthy," (and thereby try to flee) then I am simply denying His most profound Word to me. While it is true that we are not worthy, the point is that He is calling us to Him anyway, and I am afraid that the cause of my reticence to call him friend is the denial that He has dispensed with notions of power and propriety, coming as a servant, and has shown us that though WE are sinful and thereby cannot be trusted as "friends," He is calling us as such anyway -- or perhaps even greater than friends, since He wishes to serve humanities need -- the need of the Father!
< Message edited by hellohellohi -- 6/18/2008 4:04:40 PM >
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