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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/26/2008 2:06:40 PM
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CherishedbyGod
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Michael, When are you going to forgive God?
 Forgive me but I'm really confused with this question, because in post #65 he said:
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Just to be clear, I am not angry with God. I am jaded toward life in general, and I am skeptical about anything that asks me to believe anything, but I am not angry.
Pat
In my own painful experiences, I have discovered that I often don't even know my own heart...I believe this is the case with our friend and it is confirmed in Scripture even if he wants to ignore it:
~The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?
I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind~
Jeremiah 17: 9;10a,b
Having said that I believe, with all my heart, that this will yet be Michael's experience:
~For I will set My eyes on them for good, and I will bring them back to this land; I will build them and not pull them down, and I will plant them and not pluck them up.
Then I will give them a heart to know Me, that I am the LORD; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God, for they shall return to Me with their whole heart~
Jeremiah 24: 6-7
Because God says to him...
~For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope~
Jeremiah 29:11
and...
~The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee~
Jeremiah 31:3
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/26/2008 2:25:01 PM
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Michael, When are you going to forgive God?
Forgive me but I'm really confused with this question, because in post #65 he said:
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Just to be clear, I am not angry with God. I am jaded toward life in general, and I am skeptical about anything that asks me to believe anything, but I am not angry.
Pat
In my own painful experiences, I have discovered that I often don't even know my own heart...I believe this is the case with our friend and it is confirmed in Scripture even if he wants to ignore it:
~The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?
I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind~
Jeremiah 17: 9;10a,b
Having said that I believe, with all my heart, that this will yet be Michael's experience:
~For I will set My eyes on them for good, and I will bring them back to this land; I will build them and not pull them down, and I will plant them and not pluck them up.
Then I will give them a heart to know Me, that I am the LORD; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God, for they shall return to Me with their whole heart~
Jeremiah 24: 6-7
Because God says to him...
~For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope~
Jeremiah 29:11
and...
~The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee~
Jeremiah 31:3
This is an awesome post chreished, you keep it up, I can see that you have been given a burden on your heart for my friend mike here, and you do a great job representing the Lord to him. Bless your heart.
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I will strengthen you and help you,
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/26/2008 8:17:50 PM
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Michael, When are you going to forgive God?
Forgive me but I'm really confused with this question, because in post #65 he said:
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Just to be clear, I am not angry with God. I am jaded toward life in general, and I am skeptical about anything that asks me to believe anything, but I am not angry.
Pat
In my own painful experiences, I have discovered that I often don't even know my own heart...I believe this is the case with our friend and it is confirmed in Scripture even if he wants to ignore it:
~The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?
I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind~
Jeremiah 17: 9;10a,b
Having said that I believe, with all my heart, that this will yet be Michael's experience:
~For I will set My eyes on them for good, and I will bring them back to this land; I will build them and not pull them down, and I will plant them and not pluck them up.
Then I will give them a heart to know Me, that I am the LORD; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God, for they shall return to Me with their whole heart~
Jeremiah 24: 6-7
Because God says to him...
~For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope~
Jeremiah 29:11
and...
~The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee~
Jeremiah 31:3
These are wonderful scriptures, and I hope and pray that this will yet be Michael's experience too: [  above].
However, I disagree that 1dblthnk02 [Michael] is angry with God and doesn't know it.
Michael,
I believe what is going on is that within all your intellect you lack in knowledge, understanding and wisdom in the ways of God: Hosea 4:6 says, "My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge"
Isaiah 5:13 says it this way,
"Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge" [in the ways of God].
IMHO.
Pat
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/26/2008 8:36:17 PM
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Pat,
I get the feeling you really have something against me. You have, several times disagreed with what I say, you have misrepresented me, you have been sarcastic in some of your posts about me and I do not understand why. It really is not helpful on this thread.
I am fully confident God is leading me and yet the most oppostion I get is, sadly, from other Christian women....
What is up, lady?
It is not helpful to Michael. After all, this thread is about him. Not us and our petty differences.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/26/2008 9:02:51 PM
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Faith won't let differing interpretations confuse you.
Quite frankly, that has not been my experience.
What did you have faith in?
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/26/2008 10:34:35 PM
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1dbl Hello
To be honest i don't understand at all. You said the sinners prayer and you lost Faith.
I must tell my personnal story if i may...
I always believed in God but i never loved Him! Because of the world we live in. I never loved Him also because i never saw His love. Only suffering and death in the world.
I always believed that Jesus was the son of God but not God. And i never believe in Holy Spirit ( i taught it was an invention from the catholic church ), until now ...
I changed my mind because i read a scientific book about the Universe: Chaos and Harmony writen by Trinh Xuan Thuan ( an astrophysician). It's not a religious book at all, but i've seen God in those pages, from page one to the end. My wall around my heart, hating God, was begining to collapse. Then i watch a video by a Jew, about the beauty in our world and the guy said 'why is there beauty?' Boy! my answer was because God knew that we would be on earth and He gave beauty to us for our joy because we are the only living creatures that can enjoy beauty! Wow now i was seing the Love of God. And then i taught about john 3:16 ... Anyway after some days searching and deep thinking i finally said with all my heart the sinners prayer and gave my life to God.
The first day i did it, i was changed, to my surprise. When i said that prayer i wasn't waiting for anything at all. But boy! Did i change inside. Suddenly, i hated sins; i just didn't want to sin anymore. Also suddenly, i stopped swearing ( and we do a lot in Quebec believe me): i just couldn't say the name of Christ in anger anymore, i also felt, and still feel it, a great joy. It is physically, i feel joy in my heart everyday. Sometimes when i'm busy i don't feel it but it doesn't last long. I also in that day one wanted to know God, to know Him personnaly. Finally , my heart was so full of God , that i had to talk about it.
I was so amaze that i asked some christians; Eh can you tell me what is happening to me? They all answered it is the HolySpirit. Wow , So this is true!!! The HS do exist! I just could'nt deny it, i'm living it. He really change my life. And to this day it is still true, i learn everyday something.
So, if you said the sinners prayer and gave yourself to Christ, i dont understand your position now. You must have had some kind of experience, probably not like mine but something must have happened. Did you say it with your heart or mind? Were you really serious when you said it?
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/26/2008 11:01:12 PM
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So, if you said the sinners prayer and gave yourself to Christ, i dont understand your position now. You must have had some kind of experience, probably not like mine but something must have happened. Did you say it with your heart or mind? Were you really serious when you said it?
He has been hurt! He did not do anything wrong! Please don't try to question whether he was sincere or serious or whether he said it with all his heart or mind....
He has been hurt...repeatedly....and the enemy has used that to put doubts in his mind and heart regarding the goodness of God, love, evil, and about Christ and Christianity.
He did nothing wrong...He has just been terribly hurt.....
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/27/2008 12:48:41 AM
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….. But who are these folks who have the straight teaching that I must get under my belt?
I'll tell you: they all do. Just ask them. They all have the real deal right there in their particular organization or denomination. Everyone else is wrong, you know. The Holy Spirit graced only those select folks of that particular set of doctrines with the truth.
You see, it turns out that God is a respecter of persons, and the Holy Spirit does not lead all Christians into all truth, and apparently Christ did not truly want all of his followers to be one.
This is baggage. The whole idea that you have to "get it right" and get under the "correct" discipleship is baggage. Who can possibly get to the truth when literally everyone is so blasted right?
I hear you; believe me when I say, I hear what you are saying; I’ve been there and done that and never want to go there again!!
Let me share this with you:
One Sunday morning, in the early 70's, that I wasn't scheduled to work; during the time Denny, a couple of my brothers, and a neighbor were putting in a new furnace for us; I decided not to go to church, in case they would need my hands for help with anything. It was still early, and no one was due for a while, so I decided to turn on the TV and see if I could find Rex Humbard, one of few TV ministries that I did like. I didn't find Rex, but I found something called 'Teach-in'; I loved it!!
There turned out to be 5 Teachers who took turns teaching from week to week. They were Derick Prince, Assemblies of God; Don Basham, Disciples of Christ; Ern Baxter, Charismatic; Charles Simpson, Southern Baptist; and Bob Mumford, Pentecostal. I would tape them on Sundays that I worked and/or attended Church. Then the program went off our local TV stations; they weren't carrying it anymore.
About that time I had also started attending church on Friday nights when ever I was able. One night I was talking to someone and the subject of Teach-in came up in the conversation; that's when I found out the church had a Tape Library, and these teachers among many others (i.e. Juan Carlos Ortiz, Paul E. Kauffman, Tom Skinner, John Poole, Larry Christenson, David Edwards, DeVern Fromke, Rev. Everett L. Fullan, Scott Ross, and many many others --- all from different denominations and non- denominations --- and All in agreement speaking having the same mind and speaking the same things) were part of the library. I started to sign-out tapes from week to week; and I started to grow spiritually by leaps and bounds. A few years later my Pastor retired and they moved to Florida, and the Church doors closed; the higher-ups wanted to condense two church buildings into one, the other church wasn’t the same, so I and most all the others who had moved there from the other church building eventually left, and I moved on from there.
Being a member of a particular organization, denomination or non-denominational Church has nothing to do with anything. There are straight Teachers and Preachers out there, you have to ask God and seek to find them yourself --- those who made an impact on my life for me will not necessarily work or make an impact for you; so I can not advise you on where to seek and search for a Teacher and/or Pastor that over time you can learn to trust.
God is Not a respecter of persons, and the Holy Spirit does lead all Christians into all truth, and Christ does truly want all of His followers to be one.
Pat
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/27/2008 1:25:41 AM
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Pat,
I get the feeling you really have something against me. You have, several times disagreed with what I say, you have misrepresented me, you have been sarcastic in some of your posts about me and I do not understand why. It really is not helpful on this thread.
I am fully confident God is leading me and yet the most oppostion I get is, sadly, from other Christian women....
What is up, lady?
It is not helpful to Michael.
I'm very sorry that you feel that way about me and what I have posted.
Yes, I have disagreed at times with what you have said, but I have not to the best of my knowledge, directly or indirectly misrepresented you, or been sarcastic in any post about you. You're wrong --- you really hurt me with your words in this post.
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After all, this thread is about him. Not us and our petty differences.
Exactly!! As far as I'm concerned it has always been about him, and finding out how he lost his faith and how we as a Christian family can 'together' find a way to change his intellectual mind to include Faith once again.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/27/2008 3:05:55 AM
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Ok. your not in harm's way , right? If you hollered out your window and said I believe in Jesus , you would still be ok in the am?
Like you don't live in Iran or something, right?
humor me.
Sure, I could. I could also shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater, but why would I do that?
Can I call you Michael? My name is Teresa by the way.
My point is what harm would come to you, physical if you believed in your heart?
From what I can gather, your not in harm's way. For being a Christian. No physical threat. EX. Not in a commune somewhere in the mountains(w/ laptop) with some Wicca Witches who would boil and eat you if you said I believe in Jesus.
OK.
What harm would come to you spiritually if you said I believe in Jesus?
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/27/2008 8:31:28 AM
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This is baggage. The whole idea that you have to "get it right" and get under the "correct" discipleship is baggage. Who can possibly get to the truth when literally everyone is so blasted right?
On one of Charles Simpson’s Tapes; If I remember correctly he was teaching at a Leadership Convention at the time; he said, “Don’t be afraid to be wrong or make a mistake; it’s not so much that we’re wrong but that we are incomplete, we didn’t or don’t have all the information yet. God is a great forgiver and redeemer of our mistakes”.
BTW, I have supported these men and ministries over the years; and still get at least one teaching tape a month; because of these men I learned to trust others again --- in the Lord.
The wonderful thing about trusting the Lord Jesus Christ is we don’t have to worry or care about those who cross our path that, as you said: “Who can possibly get to the truth when literally everyone is so blasted right?”, He said, “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.” You can know, it just takes time --- little by little, line upon line, here a little there a little ….!!
After 35 plus years sitting under their teachings and walking with these men; Brother's Derick, Don, and Ern having gone home to be with the Lord (their material is still available); I would venture to say less than 20% of the people on this board ever heard of these teachers/men I named --- and out of those who have heard of them I would venture to say only half would have anything good to say about them or their ministries --- None-the-less, I Praise God for the joy of knowing them --- because I know my Lord, and He knows me, because of them!!
Thank you for allowing me to know you; I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
God bless you,
Pat
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/27/2008 9:22:16 AM
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It is the very opposite of a drag.
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My friend, you have it backwards....
I'm just relating my own personal experience. Being a Christian certainly wasn't all bad, but being a sinner is much less of a burden. I don't have to proselytize, pray, pretend I'm a good person, read the bible unless I want to, and best of all I can sleep in on Sundays, and watch tv on Wednesday nights.
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I have been meaning to tell you how much it touched me that you were defending Carol McCain against Christians that seem somewhat...uh...not quite as sensititve in that area.
Thank you. At least you get it.
Actually, I think that everybody else gets it, too. But they are going to vote for McCain because they'll go to hades before they'll vote for Obama, therefore they have to justify their man no matter how irrational their arguments.
Btw, I appreciate the Jeremiah verses-- they are lovely. Jeremiah obviously felt a close, affectionate bond with God that isn't always detectable in other prophets' writings. His experience of God was obviously different. In fact, every person in the bible seemed to have their own subjective experience of God. But no one seems to share a unified objective experience of God.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/27/2008 9:28:37 AM
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So, if you said the sinners prayer and gave yourself to Christ, i dont understand your position now. You must have had some kind of experience, probably not like mine but something must have happened. Did you say it with your heart or mind? Were you really serious when you said it?
He has been hurt! He did not do anything wrong! Please don't try to question whether he was sincere or serious or whether he said it with all his heart or mind....
He has been hurt...repeatedly....and the enemy has used that to put doubts in his mind and heart regarding the goodness of God, love, evil, and about Christ and Christianity.
He did nothing wrong...He has just been terribly hurt.....
Well, since i dont know him, i was just trying to understand... i sure dont want to hurt him. But i'll let others do the talkings here.
Just another example for me that i can't talk about God or try to help. i'll let people do the talk 
And anyway i think that it is between cherish and Mike.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/27/2008 9:43:10 AM
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Sorry, but that would be Mark 16:8;
That's what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.
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but I do not consider the following to be a "variance":
Later versions inserted various endings. That's a fact.
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Most scholars believe the end of the original scroll of Mark was lost
No, most believe that it was a literary tactic. Mark left us at the empty tomb and forced us to draw our own conclusions.
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thus later copyists wrote these verses to give an appropriate conclusion to the account.
This is tampering. Inserting uninspired material happened in quite a few places in the new testament. The problem is that uninformed fundamentalists think that it's all straight out of God's mouth when, in fact, it isn't.
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They summarize the appearances of Jesus after His resurrection which are also recorded in the other Gospels and Acts
And every single one of them vary in the details to quite a large extent-- including Mark.
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I hope you'll forgive me for believing 'scholars' and/or 'Bible Teachers'; over "theologians, historians, and archaeologists"; who agree that :
The source of the Bible is God, and all scripture is given by the inspiration of God.
There's nothing to forgive. You are entitled to your opinion.
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“Inspiration” means that the Word was “God-breathed”, or divinely created.
And how do we know that the bible is inspired by God?: Because the bible says so, and it must be right because it is inspired by God.
This is circular reasoning.
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Michael,
I believe what is going on is that within all your intellect you lack in knowledge, understanding and wisdom in the ways of God
I agree. I personally believe that everyone fits that description.
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There are straight Teachers and Preachers out there, you have to ask God and seek to find them yourself
How do you know when you find them? Do they have to be non-Catholic? Do they have to be men? Do they have to be fundamentalist?
How does anyone know?
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God is Not a respecter of persons, and the Holy Spirit does lead all Christians into all truth
I'm sorry, but 2000 years of church history has not borne this out.
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and Christ does truly want all of His followers to be one.
He must be very disappointed.
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You can know, it just takes time --- little by little, line upon line, here a little there a little ….
Like I said before, that's how I got to where I am at today.
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Thank you for allowing me to know you; I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
Thank you, Pat. Your testimonies are powerful and your faith is unshakeable. I'm sorry to keep shooting down your passionate arguments, but I calls 'em the way I sees 'em.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/27/2008 9:51:49 AM
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So, if you said the sinners prayer and gave yourself to Christ, i dont understand your position now
I know.
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You must have had some kind of experience, probably not like mine
My experience was not like yours.
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but something must have happened.
Something did, but eventually I grew out of it.
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Did you say it with your heart or mind? Were you really serious when you said it?
I was 100% sincere when I said it, and when I was baptized.
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Well, since i dont know him, i was just trying to understand
That's alright. I'm not offended.
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Can I call you Michael?
Certainly, although I prefer Mike.
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My name is Teresa by the way.
. . . Very pretty name, Teresa.
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My point is what harm would come to you, physical if you believed in your heart?
None at all. Believing did not harm me physically or mentally.
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What harm would come to you spiritually if you said I believe in Jesus?
You mean now? None-- I just couldn't really mean it.
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/27/2008 10:33:10 AM
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So, if you said the sinners prayer and gave yourself to Christ, i dont understand your position now. You must have had some kind of experience, probably not like mine but something must have happened. Did you say it with your heart or mind? Were you really serious when you said it?
He has been hurt! He did not do anything wrong! Please don't try to question whether he was sincere or serious or whether he said it with all his heart or mind....
He has been hurt...repeatedly....and the enemy has used that to put doubts in his mind and heart regarding the goodness of God, love, evil, and about Christ and Christianity.
He did nothing wrong...He has just been terribly hurt.....
Well, since i dont know him, i was just trying to understand... i sure dont want to hurt him. But i'll let others do the talkings here.
Just another example for me that i can't talk about God or try to help. i'll let people do the talk
And anyway i think that it is between cherish and Mike.
Lufia,
I am so sorry I jumped on you! I guess I just feel kind-of protective of Mike, although, I am certain he does not need me to protect him. I think, most definitely you can talk about God and you can help.
I think that is wonderful you are trying to understand others and you have a sweet, tender heart that God will use in a special, special way.
Gentle hugs to you (((Lufia)))
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/27/2008 8:40:50 PM
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Ok, Mike
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None at all. Believing did not harm me physically or mentally.
Can you please tell us a little history of self?
I see you are 48. Maybe I missed some more.
But tell me when did you believe? We're you raised in Church?
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You mean now? None-- I just couldn't really mean it.
So you don't say to self I believe, because at this time you could'nt really mean it .
Can I ask what do you believe at this time about how we we're created?
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/28/2008 2:03:12 AM
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It's kind of like getting over believing in Santa Clause. You see, St. Nicholas was a very real person, but not the person that we have today turned into an iconic legend for our children's sakes.
Elvis Presley was real, but he became an icon of nearly religious proportions, even to the point that people insisted that they still saw him alive and lurking in various places after his death.
Gandhi was real, but there are many people in India today who actually believe that he was a divine soul. Even Albert Einstein commented after Gandhi's death, "Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this walked the earth in flesh and blood."
Jesus of Nazareth may very well have lived. But, like Robin Hood and King Arthur, there is little but legend filling the place of true fact. Jesus Christ may only faintly echo Jesus of Nazareth, much like Santa Clause only faintly echoes Nicholas of Myra.
I hope that I have not distressed you by posting this, and I also hope that I am not crossing the line as far as the TOS goes. It is my opinion only, and one that I do not expect any true believer to accept on any level.
1dblthnk02,
You shared the above with us back on post 112. When you tried Christianity, did you believe Jesus of Nazareth really was alive in heaven with God, and that Jesus Christ and Jesus of Nazareth are one and the same? It sounds like someone convinced you there were two Jesuses. If someone taught you that, or you convinced yourself of it, then certainly any logic you try to use in justifying Christianity gets all muddled up.
St. Nicholas compared to Santa Claus
Elvis an icon
Gandhi as a divine soul
Jesus of Nazareth like Robin Hood and King Arthur?
Jesus Christ faintly echoing Jesus of Nazareth(???)
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Santa Claus faintly echoing St. Nicholas of Myra?
I can see how it could become challenging to be a Christian when trying to compare the divine, the Creator made man, to people of earth in trying to figure things out. Certainly you met Christians who challenged your opinions on this? Was this taught to you and you tried to build a life of faith on it? What makes St. Nicholas a very real person and Jesus akin to Robin Hood and King Arthur?
I ask this because I've never heard of a Christianity expressed this way before. I am not distressed, and I hope I have not distressed you or made you feel you must defend your decisions to me.
OneJohn410
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/28/2008 9:00:23 AM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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quote: ORIGINAL: 1dblthnk02
….. But who are these folks who have the straight teaching that I must get under my belt?
I'll tell you: they all do. Just ask them. They all have the real deal right there in their particular organization or denomination. Everyone else is wrong, you know. The Holy Spirit graced only those select folks of that particular set of doctrines with the truth.
You see, it turns out that God is a respecter of persons, and the Holy Spirit does not lead all Christians into all truth, and apparently Christ did not truly want all of his followers to be one.
Check it out:
HERE
"At least if it were one of those, I could do something about it. No, what makes me a lousy Christian is something I don’t seem to be able to do anything about. You see, God isn’t speaking to me. He won’t give me assignments. He didn’t tell me who to marry. He was obstinately silent when I had to decide whether to take my current job. He doesn’t give me secret knowledge about other people or situations. In short, He isn’t doing for me what seemingly the rest of the evangelical church claims He is doing for them."
"Why not me? What have I done wrong? Why this slight? Everyone else has all this extra revelation straight from God. They’ve got intense feelings, and power, and special instructions and don’t have to make any of their own decisions. God tells them what to do and when to do it. In fact, some of them claim they don’t do anything until it is clear what God wants them to do. If I waited for God to tell me what to do, I would never get out of bed. All I’ve got is a Bible and the Holy Spirit within me. (at least, I hope He’s there. I can’t feel Him moving about, but the Bible says He’s there)
I’ve done quite a bit of study on this issue and I’ve gathered quite a few theories and teachings. God seems to be telling different people different things, but perhaps we can sort them all out and come to some conclusions. "
Source
HERE
The difference between you and this would be what?
< Message edited by Pat-rebel_lady -- 6/28/2008 5:08:16 PM >
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RE: CherishedbyGod wanted this - 6/28/2008 10:01:40 AM
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Lufia
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Hello 1dbl
Your are impressing me with your Bible knowledge. But it seems to me that this knowledge is all in your intellect not in your heart. I may be wrong but there seems to be a wall surronding your heart and i have a big favor to ask you. Can you just one more time say a little prayer? Just ask God with the more sincerity you can have; God break that wall and let your Word enter my heart. It will take you one minute to say it and it may give you eternity.
Please say it
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Give your life to Jesus and enjoy the ride!
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