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RE: How to help the Homeless population - 6/27/2008 11:59:02 PM
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solo_soprano22
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Yeah, but.....
....... it's hot outside in the summer and cold in the winter! I'm not being facetious, but most of the time it's between 90-100 degrees from May-end of August at LEAST. And I know I've seen people out there that I passed by that morning when it was 80 degrees, passed by on my way to lunch when it was 100 degrees, and passed by on my way home when it was still 100 degrees. If I were one of those people who has job/houses etc and just "play" homeless to get more money, I think I'd die of heat stroke in Alabama. Even if I were for real homeless I'd try to go in some air conditioning.... but I guess you have to get $$ from somewhere.
But what I do wonder is why some homeless people can't get a job (?) Even at McDonald's or somewhere with minimum wage. I wonder that when I see those who I pass by every day and they're like that all day... I wonder why they just can't get some clothes/shower from a shelter and work at McD's. I figured they might have some requirements that the homeless can't meet. I've only worked school or side jobs (jobs on campus or something like babysitting/tutoring) so I really don't know.
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RE: How to help the Homeless population - 6/28/2008 12:03:25 AM
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Yeah, but.....
....... it's hot outside in the summer and cold in the winter! I'm not being facetious, but most of the time it's between 90-100 degrees from May-end of August at LEAST. And I know I've seen people out there that I passed by that morning when it was 80 degrees, passed by on my way to lunch when it was 100 degrees, and passed by on my way home when it was still 100 degrees. If I were one of those people who has job/houses etc and just "play" homeless to get more money, I think I'd die of heat stroke in Alabama. Even if I were for real homeless I'd try to go in some air conditioning.... but I guess you have to get $$ from somewhere.
They do not factor that in, I am just saying why some people choose to live on the street as opposed to having a roof over their head instead.
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But what I do wonder is why some homeless people can't get a job (?) Even at McDonald's or somewhere with minimum wage. I wonder that when I see those who I pass by every day and they're like that all day... I wonder why they just can't get some clothes/shower from a shelter and work at McD's. I figured they might have some requirements that the homeless can't meet. I've only worked school or side jobs (jobs on campus or something like babysitting/tutoring) so I really don't know.
McDonalds doesn't pay people enough to make ends meet, but thats another story....
If they are truly homeless then they do not have an address, an alarm clock, or a telephone. Things you need for a job these days. It is possible to rent computer time at a library though.
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RE: How to help the Homeless population - 6/28/2008 7:42:23 AM
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The real answer is to take them into McDonalds and have a meal with them. Talk to them about their life. If they need help provide it. But money or anything that can be exchanged for money(gift certificate) represents ones labors. We are responsible for our labors. Therefore, one should never hand over control of ones labors to another.
The best hope for the homeless is community. One of the biblical tithes is to provide for the poor in ones community. If there are no poor in ones community, then that community is truly blessed. That said, even then we are not relieved of the responsibility to provide for the poor. The community in that case needs to seek out poor people with which they can become inimately involved.
Regarding the poor in ones city, state, country or a foreign country. The further one gets from the recipient, the less control one has on the assets provided. Therefore, if one wishes to provide for those outside ones community, then it would be necessary to do the homework to see that the funds are used properly. Writing a check does not relieve one of the responsibility for how those funds are used. Better yet, if you wish to help those in another city, state or country, move to that location and become part of the local community.
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RE: How to help the Homeless population - 6/28/2008 6:39:07 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Last time I asked a homeless to go into a McD's so I could buy him some food, it was bone-chilling cold, and he wouldn't go in. He told me he had been told not to come in the McD's ever again. He had to take his hot food outside.
Blue, I am not sure what your biblical precedent is for this, if you are basing what you wrote upon one. It is true that we are to take care of those in our communities in Y'shua first, then reach outside of them, but I don't think there is a biblical precedent set for giving to those who are not of the household of faith or outside of our worldly communities. Hey, I could be wrong, because I certainly am not a Bible scholar, but I don't think so in this case. All through the Apostolic Writings, people reached out with help for others.
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RE: How to help the Homeless population - 6/28/2008 6:42:10 PM
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Last time I asked a homeless to go into a McD's so I could buy him some food, it was bone-chilling cold, and he wouldn't go in. He told me he had been told not to come in the McD's ever again. He had to take his hot food outside.
Sometimes they are banned for either liotering, causing a disturbance or even smelling also.
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RE: How to help the Homeless population - 6/28/2008 8:36:55 PM
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It is true that we are to take care of those in our communities in Y'shua first, then reach outside of them, but I don't think there is a biblical precedent set for giving to those who are not of the household of faith or outside of our worldly communities
Jesus said to love our enemies, to do good to them. Since a fellow christian cannot be an enemy, that leaves nonbelievers.
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RE: How to help the Homeless population - 6/29/2008 5:25:04 AM
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Bluethread
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Last time I asked a homeless to go into a McD's so I could buy him some food, it was bone-chilling cold, and he wouldn't go in. He told me he had been told not to come in the McD's ever again. He had to take his hot food outside.
That's because McDonald's does not consider them part of their community. This is a common problem in a secular society.
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Blue, I am not sure what your biblical precedent is for this, if you are basing what you wrote upon one. It is true that we are to take care of those in our communities in Y'shua first, then reach outside of them, but I don't think there is a biblical precedent set for giving to those who are not of the household of faith or outside of our worldly communities. Hey, I could be wrong, because I certainly am not a Bible scholar, but I don't think so in this case. All through the Apostolic Writings, people reached out with help for others.
1. We are not to coddle the poor, but treat them the same as the rich.
Le 19:15 "'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.
2. We are to provide opportunities to the poor.
Le 23:22 "'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and the alien.'" to gather and prepare themselves.
Le 25:35 "'If one of your countrymen becomes poor and is unable to support himself among you, help him as you would an alien or a temporary resident, so he can continue to live among you." There are other commandments that speak of hospitality to the alien.
De 15:11"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land."
3. We are required to care for our relatives.
Le 25:25 "'If one of your countrymen becomes poor and sells some of his property, his nearest relative is to come and redeem what his countryman has sold."
4. Adopt those who have no family.
De 26:12 "When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the alien, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied."
5. An honest days wage for an honest days work.
Le 25:39 "'If one of your countrymen becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do not make him work as a slave."
De 24:12 If the man is poor, do not go to sleep with his pledge in your possession.
De 24:14 Do not take advantage of a hired man who is poor and needy, whether he is a brother Israelite or an alien living in one of your towns.
De 24:15 Pay him his wages each day before sunset, because he is poor and is counting on it. Otherwise he may cry to the Lord against you, and you will be guilty of sin.
Now, I am sure we can come up with some circumstance in which these principles will not work. However, if we were to adopt these principles in our communities, the majority of the problems with the poor would be resolved. The rest would probably be solved by building real communities that take responsibility for those among them and required the poor to accept responsibility for themselves to as great a degree as possible.
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RE: How to help the Homeless population - 6/29/2008 5:31:03 AM
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You know, I got a real wake up call in the Emerg Dept of the hospital where I work this past week. I met someone who sadly is pretty much "pre-homeless" at this state in his life. I heard his story, I watched him sob and cling desperately to shards of hope in his life. His wife and daughter were killed in a car crash and his world fell apart. Drinking numbed him. He can't muster the energy to work. He didn't want to leave the hospital because it was nice to hear a friendly voice or two once in a while and he felt he had nowhere to turn.
I am almost teary to think of it. I want so much for him to find help and showed him a few places to reach out to when he leaves. We consulted social work.
But I need to guard myself from being disgusted with the homeless person who has made bad choices. It takes something more than ourselves to conquer Satan's snare in any form.
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RE: How to help the Homeless population - 6/29/2008 6:37:09 AM
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I wish they could give some of them some of these houses boarded up. there are whole blocks with row after row of them
My heart especially goes out to the families. I've seen them working and still homeless.
I went thru a short period of homeless. Thru no fault of ours. It was terrible. For one, couples are hardly ever accepted together. I am married.
WE finally found one shelter that would take us. Since we had an income, we had to pay the shelter. $135.00 per night! For a room that was worse than any flea bag ridden motel.
http://www.peopleservingpeople.org/
That works out to be about $4000 per month!
I was like how are we suppose to save the money for a place, how do people do it? They were like sorry, that's the rules.
WE agreed, we were there 3 weeks and it changed me completely about the homeless. And how the system is handled. The state pays for people instead of helping them to pay rent.
At that rate you could buy them a house, and still have a nice chunk left!
What a waste of funds! And boarded up houses!
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RE: How to help the Homeless population - 6/29/2008 1:35:11 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Blue, I am not sure what your biblical precedent is for this, if you are basing what you wrote upon one. It is true that we are to take care of those in our communities in Y'shua first, then reach outside of them, but I don't think there is a biblical precedent set for giving to those who are not of the household of faith or outside of our worldly communities. Hey, I could be wrong, because I certainly am not a Bible scholar, but I don't think so in this case. All through the Apostolic Writings, people reached out with help for others.
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1. We are not to coddle the poor,...
Now, I am sure we can come up with some circumstance in which these principles will not work. However, if we were to adopt these principles in our communities, the majority of the problems with the poor would be resolved. The rest would probably be solved by building real communities that take responsibility for those among them and required the poor to accept responsibility for themselves to as great a degree as possible.
Ah! I was only thinking of the homeless/hungry we see as we pass by on the street -- those in the grocery store parking lots, those in the alleys, those who call and ask for help. I have my hands full just managing the poor I do give to! It would be impossible for me to do more.
The problems in our modern age is that our society has become dangerous, and people are users. I give to neither, and I stay away from all who appear to be either.
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I know there are several "public" places where the homeless aren't allowed, but I think they'll only get spotted if they "look" homeless (or are known to be homeless). Some homeless women I dealt with in the shelter would come in for a shower/clothes and could appear not to be homeless... at least for a while.
