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stampinlady -> Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/16/2008 9:05:15 PM)

I've been meaning to post this for a few days now and have just got around to it. Is this possible?



relady -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/17/2008 3:20:29 AM)

Possible, but not probable. At least not entirely. And the only way for that to happen is for the SC to overturn itself. I don't see that happening. But anything is possible I guess.



timf -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/17/2008 8:14:42 AM)

Can Roe vs Wade be overturned?

It may not matter much. No one has ever voted for abortion. The option was imposed on us by judicial decree (interesting isn't it, for a supposed democracy). Now that people have had 35 years to get used to the idea of killing children for convenience, it would probably be voted in at the state level for most states if the SC ever decides to over turn the decision.

In terms of God's judgment, there seems a clear picture from the Old Testament of "woe" coming on a land that is drenched in the blood of the innocent. Overturning Roe V. Wade might only stop a few hundred abortions is some of the western "red" states.

One might want to consider that ultrasound shows that 25-35% of ovulations still occur with oral contraceptives and that we may be accumulating "innocent blood" at a much higher rate than we think looking at only "legal" abortions.

Christians have become fixated on Roe V. Wade as if this is all that is needed to turn our country back from the "broad way" that leads to destruction.

There seems to be a consequence for rejecting "even the knowledge of God" (Ro. 1). Through the institution of public education even the name of Jesus is prohibited. The creation is worshiped instead of the creator. Our country is showing the effect of a national "reprobate" mind.



Doc65 -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/17/2008 9:30:44 AM)

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One might want to consider that ultrasound shows that 25-35% of ovulations still occur with oral contraceptives


Never heard/read this one before...references?



SteveSund -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/17/2008 10:19:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: timf

Can Roe vs Wade be overturned?

It may not matter much. No one has ever voted for abortion.


What do you mean voted? Prior to Roe v. Wade, abortion was illegal in most states, but legal in some. R v. W could be overturned by the court and it would return to the states to decide, as it was prior to 1973.



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/17/2008 2:28:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: relady

Possible, but not probable. At least not entirely. And the only way for that to happen is for the SC to overturn itself. I don't see that happening. But anything is possible I guess.


I agree. It can happen, but I don't think it will.



cow451 -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/17/2008 4:49:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SteveSund

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ORIGINAL: timf

Can Roe vs Wade be overturned?

It may not matter much. No one has ever voted for abortion.


What do you mean voted? Prior to Roe v. Wade, abortion was illegal in most states, but legal in some. R v. W could be overturned by the court and it would return to the states to decide, as it was prior to 1973.

The ruling was based on privacy, not the procedure. States have done various things to limit abortion and the public pressure has kept down the number of clinics that openly do abortions. There are still some done on the sly and not recorded as such.



stampinlady -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/17/2008 7:33:06 PM)

I'm sure it would be helpful to read the history of it.[&:] I was just curious what other here thought. I don't see it changing because I do believe that it is a heart issue and don't see our nation turing to God anytime soon. Sorry for the pesimistic(sp?) attitude, but that's what I think.

So abortion was illegal before this was passed? Why did the government get involved in the first place? Haven't people been doing them since the BC's? I think I remember reading something about the Chinese and Egyptians using herbs as abortifants.



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/17/2008 7:40:54 PM)

Yup. They might have had some type of "normal" abortion methods, but they used to induce them with herbs too.



bzirk -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/17/2008 7:54:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

I'm sure it would be helpful to read the history of it.[&:] I was just curious what other here thought. I don't see it changing because I do believe that it is a heart issue and don't see our nation turing to God anytime soon. Sorry for the pesimistic(sp?) attitude, but that's what I think.

So abortion was illegal before this was passed? Why did the government get involved in the first place? Haven't people been doing them since the BC's? I think I remember reading something about the Chinese and Egyptians using herbs as abortifants.


Deb,

I think sometimes we get caught up with the forest and miss the trees. You got it right when you said it's a heart issue.

I remember discussing abortion with nurses who worked for me, and they were Christians but really had a hard time with the various young girls they had seen who had gotten pregnant from momma's boyfriend. They wanted abortion legal for that reason. I understood that they hated to see those girls put through so much, but I said it was spreading the Gospel and showing the love of the Lord to the individuals in those situations that was really going to make the difference and not legalizing the murder of unborn babies. In other words, the law of the land is not really going to change anything (hey, abortion was illegal at one time, and now it's not, because the hearts of the people dictate the law) if we don't get in the trenches and minister to people and their messy situations (we're all messy in some way). That is what makes the difference. That is what could bring about a change in the law.

None of that takes away from the fact that the law can be helpful for leading people to what is right. It just can't make them right. Only the Lord's love can do that, and He is relying on us to convey that.



OneOfHisJewels -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/17/2008 9:22:44 PM)

With man, no, but with God, all things are possible.



relady -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/18/2008 10:07:53 AM)

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I think I remember reading something about the Chinese and Egyptians using herbs as abortifants.
Ancient Jews used them too.



ljmac -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/18/2008 6:20:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

I'm sure it would be helpful to read the history of it.[&:] I was just curious what other here thought. I don't see it changing because I do believe that it is a heart issue and don't see our nation turing to God anytime soon. Sorry for the pesimistic(sp?) attitude, but that's what I think.

So abortion was illegal before this was passed? Why did the government get involved in the first place? Haven't people been doing them since the BC's? I think I remember reading something about the Chinese and Egyptians using herbs as abortifants.


Death Roe made abortion a constitutional right even though it isn't in the constitution. Before Roe some states were as abortion crazy as they are today. NY is a good example.

Read some of Bernard Nathanson's work if you want to know the history of abortion. Nathanson ran the largest abortion clinic in the US pre-Roe. It was in NY. He even aborted his own child. He confessed that they always lied about the number of women who died because of illegal abortions. In fact, it was very few, but they told lies as propoganda and friends in the media printed the lies.

Even the Death Roe case was a hoax. The abortion nuts told the court that Jane Roe (Norma McCorvey) had been raped, another piece of propoganda used to win sympathy. She hadn't been. She has since confessed to taking part in the hoax.

Other states had various degrees of abortion restrictions.

One word of advice, don't believe it if you hear it from an abortion apologist. People who believe in dismembering unborn children will hardly have a guilty conscience if they lie about it.



tafkam -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/18/2008 6:25:46 PM)

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One word of advice, don't believe it if you hear it from an abortion apologist. People who believe in dismembering unborn children will hardly have a guilty conscience if they lie about it.


This is dead on.....



bzirk -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/18/2008 8:05:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

People who believe in dismembering unborn children will hardly have a guilty conscience if they lie about it.


I knew that beyond doubt when I read about the women who wrote love notes to their babies before they aborted them. That story can be found by searching "november gang" + "glamour magazine"



SovereignIsHe -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/18/2008 9:27:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

I'm sure it would be helpful to read the history of it.[&:] I was just curious what other here thought. I don't see it changing because I do believe that it is a heart issue and don't see our nation turing to God anytime soon. Sorry for the pesimistic(sp?) attitude, but that's what I think.


All crimes/sins are heart issues... Why should those who murder outside the womb be treated different than those who choose to do it inside the womb?


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So abortion was illegal before this was passed? Why did the government get involved in the first place? Haven't people been doing them since the BC's? I think I remember reading something about the Chinese and Egyptians using herbs as abortifants.


Is this regarding justification?

John



SovereignIsHe -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/18/2008 9:29:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: relady

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I think I remember reading something about the Chinese and Egyptians using herbs as abortifants.
Ancient Jews used them too.


So... They also raped, murdered, stole and were forced to eat their young because they didn't obey God...


John



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/18/2008 9:48:36 PM)

John, no one is trying to justify. Some people don't know the history of induced abortions; she asked because she wasn't sure how long such things have been around.



SovereignIsHe -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/18/2008 10:24:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: solo_soprano22

John, no one is trying to justify. Some people don't know the history of induced abortions; she asked because she wasn't sure how long such things have been around.


No one? You're kidding yourself... For the record I don't know if the person I replied to is, so I aked... Though I know some on this thread, this forum do seek to justify their support for abortion and do so in the name of Christ... And they do so at their own risk so to speak...

John



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/18/2008 11:11:30 PM)

I meant no one involved with that question was trying to justify it. Of course there are people in the world who try to; that's a given. She just wanted to know; that's all. It's a good thing for everyone to read what's there, not what you think was meant. Some people ask out of curiosity about things.

I'm a bit murky on Roe vs Wade other than a few bits. I know in the past it probably made perfect sense (since I knew a lot about it), but what was it all about, if anyone cares to explain...briefly.



Roberta_ -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/19/2008 1:20:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

I'm sure it would be helpful to read the history of it.[&:] I was just curious what other here thought. I don't see it changing because I do believe that it is a heart issue and don't see our nation turing to God anytime soon. Sorry for the pesimistic(sp?) attitude, but that's what I think.

So abortion was illegal before this was passed? Why did the government get involved in the first place? Haven't people been doing them since the BC's? I think I remember reading something about the Chinese and Egyptians using herbs as abortifants.


yup



Jhud -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/19/2008 2:30:48 AM)

All it would take at this point to overturn Roe is a single judge. That certainly isn't impossible, and depending on who wins the next election, it is concievable that it would happen in the next 4 - 8 years.



bzirk -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/19/2008 10:43:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

All it would take at this point to overturn Roe is a single judge. That certainly isn't impossible, and depending on who wins the next election, it is concievable that it would happen in the next 4 - 8 years.


That's what makes me do a stutter step when considering an alternative candidate.



Jhud -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/19/2008 11:48:57 AM)

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That's what makes me do a stutter step when considering an alternative candidate.


Me too - I can't say I am excited about McCain.



stampinlady -> RE: Can Roe vs Wade be overturned? (6/19/2008 11:54:21 AM)

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Why should those who murder outside the womb be treated different than those who choose to do it inside the womb?


So if we apply your line of thinking a scared 16 year old who has no idea of what she's doing should be excecuted if she chooses to have an abortion?[&:] Or are you saying that the Dr.'s and nurses are the ones who should be executed? Or all involved including the parents?

My Op was posted because I'm know very little about the history of abortion and why the government got involved and if it can be overturned/amended, that's all. I've had one and know the consequences one has to live with and believe that it's wrong. I'm not trying to justify anything at all. And I don't get the hype over voting for a pro-choice candidate because they've been in office and have done nothing to over turn/amend it.

Jhud, one judge really? Please explain.



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