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ORIGINAL: ljmac

"In the past year, (Al) Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month."

We've got a wolf leading a herd of sheep. This energy hog, who has a carbon foot print bigger than Sasquatch, won a Grammy, an Oscar and a Nobel peace prize, all for environmental hysteria. Just think if we all lived like him.

At least Chicken Little believed the sky was falling.

I can just hear him now. "I should have known there would be a down side to inventing the Internet."

the sky is falling

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc
This works out to being roughly 160 barrels of oil, which is roughly 70% of a typical American family's total energy consumption for a year (250 barrels)

Considering Al's family drives hybrids, I would say it's fair to assume that after you factor in fuel, and factor out speaking engagements, his energy consumption is in line with a typical American household.

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ORIGINAL: rcjames
With such a suck egg attitude you best not add in his private jet and open pit mining adventure on his Tenn. property.

Thanks
RC

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NASHVILLE - In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President’s home energy use surged more than 10%, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

But don't you think those accrue to the people he's providing services to?

If your job is to drive a truck, does it make sense to say you consumed 15,000 gallons of fuel last year? Or does it make sense to only cover the stuff you used to drive your car?

Al's occasional private jet use is normally involved with his public speaking activities. And if you speak to 1000 people, your jet probably used 1/4 as much fuel as it took for them to drive their hybrids to the meeting. The total consumption would still probably be less than if President Bush got on Amtrak, showed up to speak at your church and 1000 people drove there.

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ORIGINAL: Sophie11

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

But don't you think those accrue to the people he's providing services to?

If your job is to drive a truck, does it make sense to say you consumed 15,000 gallons of fuel last year? Or does it make sense to only cover the stuff you used to drive your car?

Al's occasional private jet use is normally involved with his public speaking activities. And if you speak to 1000 people, your jet probably used 1/4 as much fuel as it took for them to drive their hybrids to the meeting. The total consumption would still probably be less than if President Bush got on Amtrak, showed up to speak at your church and 1000 people drove there.

But tell me why we should factor out Al Gore's use of a private jet? After all, couldn't he just fly commercial like the rest of us? I mean, just because he's going to make money that makes it ok to burn through as much fuel as is humanly possible in the process? That doesn't make sense. And he proposes the rest of us use public transportation and drive hybrids to get to work to make our money, so what makes his speaking engagements any different than that?

If his job was piloting airplanes, then maybe you would have a comparison between him and a trucker. Otherwise, it's apples and oranges.

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Ok, what if your job is to sell pharmaceuticals.

Certainly, you could walk to all of the hospitals and carry your samples in a grocery cart.

Or you could ride the bus there.

But common practice is to drive a car there. For speakers, it's generally the same thing- common practice is to fly on a jet.

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: Sophie11

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

But don't you think those accrue to the people he's providing services to?

If your job is to drive a truck, does it make sense to say you consumed 15,000 gallons of fuel last year? Or does it make sense to only cover the stuff you used to drive your car?

Al's occasional private jet use is normally involved with his public speaking activities. And if you speak to 1000 people, your jet probably used 1/4 as much fuel as it took for them to drive their hybrids to the meeting. The total consumption would still probably be less than if President Bush got on Amtrak, showed up to speak at your church and 1000 people drove there.

But tell me why we should factor out Al Gore's use of a private jet? After all, couldn't he just fly commercial like the rest of us? I mean, just because he's going to make money that makes it ok to burn through as much fuel as is humanly possible in the process? That doesn't make sense. And he proposes the rest of us use public transportation and drive hybrids to get to work to make our money, so what makes his speaking engagements any different than that?

If his job was piloting airplanes, then maybe you would have a comparison between him and a trucker. Otherwise, it's apples and oranges.

Ok, what if your job is to sell pharmaceuticals.

Certainly, you could walk to all of the hospitals and carry your samples in a grocery cart.

Or you could ride the bus there.

But common practice is to drive a car there. For speakers, it's generally the same thing- common practice is to fly on a jet.

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ORIGINAL: Sophie11
The point is it doesn't matter what common practice is, AL GORE is telling everyone they should do differently than "common practice". The point is that if he believes with his great big money hungry heart that global warming is going to kill us all, wouldn't he be leading by example? Instead he tells everyone else to carpool, ride a bike, use public transportation or walk to work in order to reduce their "carbon footprint" yet he does nothing of the sort. Hypocrisy, plain and simple.

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I don't think he's telling people to stop flying private jets. He's telling people to drive hybrids and install CFLs for lighting, which he happens to also do. He's also installed solar panels in his back lawn, which must be very unsightly, but I don't think he expects others to go that far.

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Does he travel in really fuel-inefficient aircraft?

Also, private jets get roughly 4-10 mpg. So in some cases, Al actually burns less fuel taking a Learjet there than he would if he drove (he also gets to go there in a straight line.)

I think most people assume private jets consume thousands and thousands of gallons of fuel, which simply isn't true.

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: Sophie11
The point is it doesn't matter what common practice is, AL GORE is telling everyone they should do differently than "common practice". The point is that if he believes with his great big money hungry heart that global warming is going to kill us all, wouldn't he be leading by example? Instead he tells everyone else to carpool, ride a bike, use public transportation or walk to work in order to reduce their "carbon footprint" yet he does nothing of the sort. Hypocrisy, plain and simple.

I don't think he's telling people to stop flying private jets. He's telling people to drive hybrids and install CFLs for lighting, which he happens to also do. He's also installed solar panels in his back lawn, which must be very unsightly, but I don't think he expects others to go that far.

Does he travel in really fuel-inefficient aircraft?

Also, private jets get roughly 4-10 mpg. So in some cases, Al actually burns less fuel taking a Learjet there than he would if he drove (he also gets to go there in a straight line.)

I think most people assume private jets consume thousands and thousands of gallons of fuel, which simply isn't true.

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He's also installed solar panels in his back lawn, which must be very unsightly, but I don't think he expects others to go that far.

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ORIGINAL: Zhi
I... really hope you don't think that jet fuel and gasoline are the same thing. Though since you probably don't refuel jets for a living, it's an understandable mistake.

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Jets use jet fuel. Jets burning jet fuel create significantly more CO2 per gallon (21 lbs/gallon) than the average gasoline car (.916 lbs/gallon).

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So, not only does he fly a private jet, he also flies the heaviest most irresponsible private jet money can buy. *sigh*

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: Zhi
I... really hope you don't think that jet fuel and gasoline are the same thing. Though since you probably don't refuel jets for a living, it's an understandable mistake.

IIRC, it's very close to kerosene or heating oil. Indeed, many airlines hedge their fuel costs with heating oil futures, because there's more of a market for it than jet fuel and it's closely related.

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Jets use jet fuel. Jets burning jet fuel create significantly more CO2 per gallon (21 lbs/gallon) than the average gasoline car (.916 lbs/gallon).

Here is an article from the government that suggests gasoline emits roughly 20 lbs/gallon:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml

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So, not only does he fly a private jet, he also flies the heaviest most irresponsible private jet money can buy. *sigh*

It's certainly more fuel efficient than most boats.

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ORIGINAL: Sophie11

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: Zhi
I... really hope you don't think that jet fuel and gasoline are the same thing. Though since you probably don't refuel jets for a living, it's an understandable mistake.

IIRC, it's very close to kerosene or heating oil. Indeed, many airlines hedge their fuel costs with heating oil futures, because there's more of a market for it than jet fuel and it's closely related.

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Jets use jet fuel. Jets burning jet fuel create significantly more CO2 per gallon (21 lbs/gallon) than the average gasoline car (.916 lbs/gallon).

Here is an article from the government that suggests gasoline emits roughly 20 lbs/gallon:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml

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So, not only does he fly a private jet, he also flies the heaviest most irresponsible private jet money can buy. *sigh*

It's certainly more fuel efficient than most boats.

You can circle around this all you want but the fact remains that if Al Gore was judged by Al Gore's standards on carbon emissions, he would be found to be in gross excess of what his "carbon footprint" ought to be. It's hypocrisy. Just admit it, come on,... I know you want to....go ahead......

[:D][:D][:D]

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So, not only does he fly a private jet, he also flies the heaviest most irresponsible private jet money can buy. *sigh*

It's certainly more fuel efficient than most boats.