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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 3:27:13 PM
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stamper_ben
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But a life sentence just seems extreme to me in this particular case. Y'all are forgetting. This is Texas.
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 3:31:08 PM
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Now as far as his previous drug record, if during his life he had already caused the death of even one more person prior to him causing the death of his son, see that is where I would agree with this sentence.
If he was allowed to continue down the path he chose, he very probably could have killed more people. He is non-repentant. Perhaps, he will change in time. Consider the HIV rates in drug users. Consider the wrecks that kill people that involve people driving under the influence of drugs. Consider any future children he might have had that would have been subjected to the same thing or worse. There are myriads of scenarios that he made possible and refused to change. 8 convictions shows total contempt for the law. Laws are in place to protect us, and he refused to adhere to our protection. He deserves what he got.
See then why not just keep him in jail longer when he is on his 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th drug conviction? Why is it that he was even out in the public anyway?
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 3:34:56 PM
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See then why not just keep him in jail longer when he is on his 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th drug conviction? Why is it that he was even out in the public anyway? Because folks whine about the severity of "innocent" drug crimes sentences and how counseling is a much better approach to them. 
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 3:35:04 PM
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Sophie11
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But a life sentence just seems extreme to me in this particular case. Y'all are forgetting. This is Texas.
But I mean the same question applies here that I have just posted to Wes. Why is it that he gets a life sentence for an accidental death but he was never kept in prison after 8 drug convictions. And as far as I think I remember it was convictions, not accusations. He should have never been out of jail in the first place so soon after so many drug convictions!
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 3:35:59 PM
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stamper_ben
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But a life sentence just seems extreme to me in this particular case. Y'all are forgetting. This is Texas.
But I mean the same question applies here that I have just posted to Wes. Why is it that he gets a life sentence for an accidental death but he was never kept in prison after 8 drug convictions. And as far as I think I remember it was convictions, not accusations. He should have never been out of jail in the first place so soon after so many drug convictions!
See the above post as for why he was out among the innocents.
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 3:39:15 PM
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See then why not just keep him in jail longer when he is on his 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th drug conviction? Why is it that he was even out in the public anyway? Because folks whine about the severity of "innocent" drug crimes sentences and how counseling is a much better approach to them.
Oops! I posted this question to you after this one! Didn't see you had already answered it!
Anyway, who cares about what people whine about though. If he ought to spend life in prison for the good of the community why not let him spend 10 years for his drug convictions? I mean I know you personally can't do anything about it, there is the law and all but I just don't quite think it makes sense.
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 3:45:01 PM
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Why is it that he gets a life sentence for an accidental death
Obviously your definition of accidental and mine are completely different.
This man, whose helpless infant was left in his charge, smoked, snorted or shot up drugs knowing full well (after years of drug abuse) that he would slip into a drug induced stupor and would no longer be able to care for that baby properly...
That, my friend, is no accident.
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 3:45:47 PM
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See then why not just keep him in jail longer when he is on his 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th drug conviction? Why is it that he was even out in the public anyway? Because folks whine about the severity of "innocent" drug crimes sentences and how counseling is a much better approach to them.
Oops! I posted this question to you after this one! Didn't see you had already answered it!
Anyway, who cares about what people whine about though. If he ought to spend life in prison for the good of the community why not let him spend 10 years for his drug convictions? I mean I know you personally can't do anything about it, there is the law and all but I just don't quite think it makes sense.
Sophie,
You are absolutely right. It does not make sense. The legal system does not operate on the principle of logic. Non-violent crimes are almost always mandated to be early-release due to overcrowding, lack of funds, shortage of employees, etc. It goes on until people die. Sometimes it goes on until they realize that the released convict is serial.
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 3:49:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: Sophie11
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See then why not just keep him in jail longer when he is on his 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th drug conviction? Why is it that he was even out in the public anyway? Because folks whine about the severity of "innocent" drug crimes sentences and how counseling is a much better approach to them.
Oops! I posted this question to you after this one! Didn't see you had already answered it!
Anyway, who cares about what people whine about though. If he ought to spend life in prison for the good of the community why not let him spend 10 years for his drug convictions? I mean I know you personally can't do anything about it, there is the law and all but I just don't quite think it makes sense.
Sophie,
You are absolutely right. It does not make sense. The legal system does not operate on the principle of logic. Non-violent crimes are almost always mandated to be early-release due to overcrowding, lack of funds, shortage of employees, etc. It goes on until people die. Sometimes it goes on until they realize that the released convict is serial.
And while that may be true, Wes, the shortcomings of the system in no way absolve him from his responsibility in the death of his child.
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 3:58:24 PM
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Sophie11
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Why is it that he gets a life sentence for an accidental death
Obviously your definition of accidental and mine are completely different.
This man, whose helpless infant was left in his charge, smoked, snorted or shot up drugs knowing full well (after years of drug abuse) that he would slip into a drug induced stupor and would no longer be able to care for that baby properly...
That, my friend, is no accident.
In your opinion, Kat, maybe it is not. In mine, it was not premeditated and should not be treated as such. I am certainly entitled to my opinion and you to yours.
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 4:04:43 PM
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WesP
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Why is it that he gets a life sentence for an accidental death
Obviously your definition of accidental and mine are completely different.
This man, whose helpless infant was left in his charge, smoked, snorted or shot up drugs knowing full well (after years of drug abuse) that he would slip into a drug induced stupor and would no longer be able to care for that baby properly...
That, my friend, is no accident.
In your opinion, Kat, maybe it is not. In mine, it was not premeditated and should not be treated as such. I am certainly entitled to my opinion and you to yours.
Whether you view it as intentional or a completely avoidable accident, the end result was justified. If it was intentional, he should have gotten the death penalty. Even done without cognizance does not negate responsibility. Using that argument, a drunk driver is not responsible for killing someone else in a wreck. While he may not have intended harm to his child, he certainly did nothing to protect the child either. He has to be held to some level of accountability. What if he killed your child in the same manner? What should his punishment be? Do you see my point? I am not trying to antagonize or make an emotional ploy. I am just trying to clarify his part in the death.
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 4:04:50 PM
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Sophie11
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ORIGINAL: Sophie11
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See then why not just keep him in jail longer when he is on his 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th drug conviction? Why is it that he was even out in the public anyway? Because folks whine about the severity of "innocent" drug crimes sentences and how counseling is a much better approach to them.
Oops! I posted this question to you after this one! Didn't see you had already answered it!
Anyway, who cares about what people whine about though. If he ought to spend life in prison for the good of the community why not let him spend 10 years for his drug convictions? I mean I know you personally can't do anything about it, there is the law and all but I just don't quite think it makes sense.
Sophie,
You are absolutely right. It does not make sense. The legal system does not operate on the principle of logic. Non-violent crimes are almost always mandated to be early-release due to overcrowding, lack of funds, shortage of employees, etc. It goes on until people die. Sometimes it goes on until they realize that the released convict is serial.
Well, I suppose maybe I might be just a little too soft on people who have drug addictions, being that I have lived it firsthand with a member of my family for the last 8 years, but I really do think that different steps could have been taken in the past that may have been better decisions. Rather than lock him up and throw away the key now, he should have been locked up for some certain number of years already for his drug convictions and this story might not even be facing us today. I just find it ironic that the courts do nothing to keep him away from the public through so many drug charges yet now they decide life in prison. No middle ground, I guess it's all or nothing, huh? I still say it makes no sense.
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 4:06:32 PM
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Sophie11
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Why is it that he gets a life sentence for an accidental death
Obviously your definition of accidental and mine are completely different.
This man, whose helpless infant was left in his charge, smoked, snorted or shot up drugs knowing full well (after years of drug abuse) that he would slip into a drug induced stupor and would no longer be able to care for that baby properly...
That, my friend, is no accident.
In your opinion, Kat, maybe it is not. In mine, it was not premeditated and should not be treated as such. I am certainly entitled to my opinion and you to yours.
Whether you view it as intentional or a completely avoidable accident, the end result was justified. If it was intentional, he should have gotten the death penalty. Even done without cognizance does not negate responsibility. Using that argument, a drunk driver is not responsible for killing someone else in a wreck. While he may not have intended harm to his child, he certainly did nothing to protect the child either. He has to be held to some level of accountability. What if he killed your child in the same manner? What should his punishment be? Do you see my point? I am not trying to antagonize or make an emotional ploy. I am just trying to clarify his part in the death.
If I have to say I BELIEVE HIM TO BE GUILTY OF THIS CRIME one more time I think I'm gonna scream!!!!! 
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 4:26:43 PM
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Kat_D
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Well, I suppose maybe I might be just a little too soft on people who have drug addictions, being that I have lived it firsthand with a member of my family for the last 8 years,
Well, being that I abused drugs before I knew the Lord, I would be the first to say that had I hurt or killed someone while I was under the influence, I would have deserved any punishment I got!
There, but for the grace of God, go I and many others...but I wouldn't have had any sympathy for myself had I done what this guy did, and I don't have any sympathy for him. Again, my sympathies are with the baby.
I do pray that he finds the Lord and His forgiveness while he is in prison.
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 4:35:36 PM
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Well, I suppose maybe I might be just a little too soft on people who have drug addictions, being that I have lived it firsthand with a member of my family for the last 8 years,
Well, being that I abused drugs before I knew the Lord, I would be the first to say that had I hurt or killed someone while I was under the influence, I would have deserved any punishment I got!
There, but for the grace of God, go I and many others...but I wouldn't have had any sympathy for myself had I done what this guy did, and I don't have any sympathy for him. Again, my sympathies are with the baby.
I do pray that he finds the Lord and His forgiveness while he is in prison.
Well, maybe we will just have to agree to disagree on this one then.
BTW, I am sorry if any of my posts to you since I have joined have been rude or snappy. I kind of think I got off on the wrong foot with you, Kat, and I hope we can continue to simply have civil disagreeances in the future! 
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 4:43:06 PM
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Well, I suppose maybe I might be just a little too soft on people who have drug addictions, being that I have lived it firsthand with a member of my family for the last 8 years,
Well, being that I abused drugs before I knew the Lord, I would be the first to say that had I hurt or killed someone while I was under the influence, I would have deserved any punishment I got!
There, but for the grace of God, go I and many others...but I wouldn't have had any sympathy for myself had I done what this guy did, and I don't have any sympathy for him. Again, my sympathies are with the baby.
I do pray that he finds the Lord and His forgiveness while he is in prison.
Well, maybe we will just have to agree to disagree on this one then.
BTW, I am sorry if any of my posts to you since I have joined have been rude or snappy. I kind of think I got off on the wrong foot with you, Kat, and I hope we can continue to simply have civil disagreeances in the future!
No snappiness or rudeness noted, Sophie. Just because we don't agree on this or other topics, does not mean I am not listening to you or that I am closed to learning something from you.
(((((Sophie)))))
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 4:45:14 PM
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Well, I suppose maybe I might be just a little too soft on people who have drug addictions, being that I have lived it firsthand with a member of my family for the last 8 years,
Well, being that I abused drugs before I knew the Lord, I would be the first to say that had I hurt or killed someone while I was under the influence, I would have deserved any punishment I got!
There, but for the grace of God, go I and many others...but I wouldn't have had any sympathy for myself had I done what this guy did, and I don't have any sympathy for him. Again, my sympathies are with the baby.
I do pray that he finds the Lord and His forgiveness while he is in prison.
Well, maybe we will just have to agree to disagree on this one then.
BTW, I am sorry if any of my posts to you since I have joined have been rude or snappy. I kind of think I got off on the wrong foot with you, Kat, and I hope we can continue to simply have civil disagreeances in the future!
No snappiness or rudeness noted, Sophie. Just because we don't agree on this or other topics, does not mean I am not listening to you or that I am closed to learning something from you.
(((((Sophie)))))
Thanks, Kat!
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RE: Texas man gets life sentence for baby's coke death - 6/19/2008 4:57:56 PM
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The man obviously wasn't going to learn from his previous eight convictions and didn't bother about staying clean while on bail for another charge. So he doesn't appear to give a care about the law. His drugs came before the safety of his child. He had 8+ chances to straighten up. I don't feel too sorry for his predicament. He's at least still alive. His baby isn't.
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