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RE: Worship Wars - 7/10/2008 11:04:05 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Ah, the worm farm. I know that many farmers have failed in the last few years, but for one to have to admit failing at worm farming is, well, uh -- you know.
That's great about your new church! Is this a permanent change, or do you know yet?
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Where I attend, all the songs are new to most who first come, and I remember how that felt. In fact, when I first started attending, I skipped the songs and only came for the teachings. Once I started attending fully, though, not knowing the songs became a non-issue, even though many of them were not in English, because the service and the congregation were more than the songs, and I was just grateful for being there. Now, I occasionally help out in the 4-person "worship team."
In the church where I work, however, there is constant contention regarding the songs, and the pastor is constantly walking a tightrope about them.
I have actually narrowed down the worship wars where I work. I wonder if this might be true in other churches as well:
The people who complain want the church to sing only the songs that were popular during the decade when they first came to the L-rd. Is this true elsewhere?
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RE: Worship Wars - 7/10/2008 11:26:34 AM
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In the church where I work, however, there is constant contention regarding the songs, and the pastor is constantly walking a tightrope about them.
I have actually narrowed down the worship wars where I work. I wonder if this might be true in other churches as well:
The people who complain want the church to sing only the songs that were popular during the decade when they first came to the L-rd. Is this true elsewhere?
Possibly- I can see where that would be the case at ABC (old church) I have no idea how it works in XYZ church as we did not have a song service last night. They do bible study, from what yesterdays lesson looked like the pastor was adding some cheese and meat to the Sunday milk and crackers and this Wednesday they had a congregational prayer time that went "long" nothing wrong with chatting with the Father longer than planned. 
as for XYZ being permanent, I dunno. We have only been once. It was nice being welcomed- ALMOST overwhelming the number of folks that came up to us before and after the service.
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RE: Worship Wars - 7/10/2008 1:26:05 PM
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Abiyah - did you ever get to hear that clip?
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RE: Worship Wars - 7/10/2008 1:34:50 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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No. I tried again early this morning, and the computer froze again. I started to write to you but backed off, because I have no idea why. I can play everything else, as far as I know, but not that! Also, I know nothing about downloads of music, because I never have bought music online.
Is your CD messianic or charismatic?
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Abiyah
Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
G-d has only one natural Son; EVERYONE else is adopted.
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RE: Worship Wars - 7/13/2008 11:31:46 PM
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I have been reading the thread and I think that a more important problem in the American evangelical church is why does worship now mean music. If we came to view the Sunday Service in its entirity as worship the style of music would be a lot less important. When I read Romans 12 that sacrifice is worship it makes dividing over music style seem a little petty. Any time I feel the tendency to get bent out of shape about an issue other than the Truth of Scripture I turn to Psalm 133.
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RE: Worship Wars - 8/4/2008 6:31:54 PM
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Randal
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I admit that I do not have time to read all of the posts on this subject, but have some questions non the less.
What is worship?
What is it supposed to be for?
What are your expectations when approaching worship?
My hope in approaching the Lord in worship is to first still myself and quiet my mind so that I can focus on Him. Secondly my hope is that in worshipping Him who is the Lord of Glory that He will visit and commune with me via His Holy Spirit. For those who do not believe in the presence of, and outworking of the presence of the Holy Spirit than this will obviously not be a consideration for you, and you are truly missing everything. When the patriarchs worshipped God met with them and further imparted, and confirmed His word to, and covenant with them. This was usually sporadic and revolved around the sacrifices which they offered to the Lord. Now that the Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ has occured (the only sacrifice for sin) and we are called to become a living sacrifice unto the Lord, worship is to be a daily occurance, Sunday worship is like icing on the cake where we all corporately can benefit from the moving of the Lord through His Holy Spirit in and among us all. This is my hope, my expectation when I come to church to worship.
The problem is that for so many churches this is farthest from their minds. They treasure the fine instrumentation of the music, pride themselves on being a fine musician and what was meant to be an opportunity to exault and glorify Him who is The Lord we instead worship ourselves and turn it into a concert. Instead of ushering in an environment of peace where the Lord can speak and be heard by those in attendance, it turns into a crash bang clang experience of teeth gritting proportions. How can the Lord who is orderly, gentle and full of peace move in such noise? Many times room is not given in between these "performances" for the Lord to even get a word in edgewise in prophecy, word of knowledge etc.
Many times we treat the whole service as a show, an event, something where we put on a great performance and hope that He is pleased, although we are never quite sure because we do not shutup long enough to listen and hear Him who is the Lord of the Church. We enter the building in disorder, arguing with the wife and kids about something trivial that occured on our way to church. We enter the sanctuary loudly laughing, joking carrying on about our week, the weather, whatever and wait for the time the curtain is raised and we expect to be wowed and amused. Whatever happened to reverencing the Lord Our God, and coming before Him respectully and entering His Sanctuary with honor and respect? Whatever happened to sincere people in prayer and intercession before the service praying that God might hear our cry and Heal our land. We complain about how bad the world is, how the world needs to be put right, this will not happen until we ourselves put our own house in order by rebuilding the altar as Elijah did after the false prophets of Baal had their way with all manner of fleshly displays of stink, until we humble ourselves under the mighty hand of God and cry out in repentance for our casual way of assembling before Him and expecting Him to respond to our way of worship rather than inquiring from Him and His word as to how He expects to be worshipped.
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RE: Worship Wars - 8/7/2008 1:56:39 AM
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I Found this to be an interesting topic as I have been playing the piano for church since I was 13.
The Church that I grew up in was Southern Baptist and we sang hymns 99% of the time. Some of my most favorite songs are hymns that were written 100's of years ago. However, we got a new pastor and he started wanting to sing more praise and worship tunes, ( which I was totally fine with), and some of the members did not appreciate it. This was a small part of what caused the church to finally close.
Now I am a member of the EFree church in my town and am on the worship team as well. We do contemporary songs AND hymns. We also have the whole setup, piano, keyboard, guitars and drums. We don't always use all the instruments depending on what kind of song it is , we have even sang a couple of songs acapella!!!!
Our worship team leader constantly reminds us that we are not performing for the congregation, but for God and God alone. We were given these gifts BY Him to SERVE Him!
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RE: Worship Wars - 8/8/2008 12:30:05 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Welcome to the new members! 
Debi reminded me of my transition from the old church to where I now worship.
With reason, I don't have a lot of kind words for the old church organization, but they had great music programs, and the music was the big thing, next to the sermon. Some of the churches in the organization had really nice orchestras and great singing and instrumental groups. There were definitely some parts of the services that were performance-oriented, but using a lot of expression was frowned upon, except with the instruments -- then, it was fine, as long as the performer didn't move around. Performing there was very stiff. I learned to stick my face in the mic and keep it there.
But when I started attending where I do now, it was so different, with regard to "performing." There is no performing. Period. They just don't do that during services. I also no longer sing solos; we have none, unless I am joining in a casual concert. We have no groups singing either, unless it is a concert. Even when I join the "worship team" (for want of a better term, I guess), we face away from the congregation, toward the words on the screen.
I love it. Everything is about G-d. Everything is about public worship, altogether. I don't miss singing solo or in groups, except I would love any chance to sing with family members, just because I enjoyed the sound.
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Abiyah
Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
G-d has only one natural Son; EVERYONE else is adopted.
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