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restored08 -> Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (6/29/2008 5:40:52 PM)

The beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses is that only 144,000 people are going to heaven where Jesus is and the rest of us (the righteous) are going to inherit the earth.




Doghouse -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (6/29/2008 8:26:48 PM)

This isn't true....

This is a literal interpretation of a number that would have a different meaning to a Jew or someone versed in the type of symbolism used in Scripture.

By literally interpreting it, the JW are completely missing the point...par for the course for them in my book...




loveineffable -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (6/30/2008 10:25:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: restored08

The beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses is that only 144,000 people are going to heaven where Jesus is and the rest of us (the righteous) are going to inherit the earth.

So the righteous are going to inherit the earth, so if that is true what does that make the first chosen? are not they righteous, counted blameless? Their doctrine still does not make sense.

This is not the way they used to teach it, it has been altered from the way it was taught.
For I even had this ? if only 144,000 are going to heaven, and TS russell started this religion back late 1800's.
I would think that over 144,000 have already, past tense joined. So it would be ludricrous fro me or anyone else to join. It has gt to be too late for me now.

Also, when I was nine or years of age, there was a knock on our door and when I answered it. The two ladies at tthe door said to me. Did you know that only 144,000 are going to heaven? I said well then that is not true. They looked at me bewidered, and I said because I am 144,001, andthen I shut the door.
I went into the bible and read how John had seen first the first chosen, then a multitude of others.

Anyway, JW's now knowing these two things had to change their doctrine. They need followers, all denominations need followers. I follow christ, seeking not to be deceived, by any group. For Christ is one, with The Father and Holy Spirit.
ineffable love




bob97 -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (6/30/2008 12:52:37 PM)

The funny thing is...I'm not sure that the 144,000 in fact ever make it to Heaven as such. They will stay on earth in bodies of flesh and not be included in a taking away at the end of the age. They will dwell on earth in fleshly bodies during the millennium. They will of course inherit glorified bodies at the end of the millennium and their home will be the New Heaven and earth…in other words earth will forever be their home.

Bob




Ps103 -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (6/30/2008 4:02:05 PM)

No, it isn't true.

Good thing, too--because the 144,000 are male virgins:

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Revelation 14:4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure.


That leaves out a whole lot of people, including St. Peter....




Leo71 -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (6/30/2008 6:53:24 PM)

Actually, the 144K have a specific purpose in the Great Tribulation. That is to spread this gospel throughout the earth [one last time], and then the end will come. These 144K will be responsible for bringing countless thousands to Christ (i.e the number which no man could count, as seen and revealed by the Apostle John). Read Revelation closely, and don't stop until you see this "number without count" that I just mentioned.




loveineffable -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/2/2008 10:02:55 AM)

so for sure more than 144,000 are going to make it to heaven. god is merciful and good, the only response I can say is thank you, inspite of me
ineffable love




OleFitzHi -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/17/2008 11:42:39 PM)

Yeah...Some of them came by the house the other day. I was not home and my wife would not let them in. Shoot!!!

I did hear on the radio that they have 8,000 slots still open. How depressing! The elect get the free pass and everyone else has to work his buns off and then there is still no guarantee. No wonder their suicide and mental illness rates are so high.

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ORIGINAL: restored08

The beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses is that only 144,000 people are going to heaven where Jesus is and the rest of us (the righteous) are going to inherit the earth.




Katie-Scarlet -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/18/2008 6:10:56 AM)

I'm not saying Jesus wouldn't give his life for 144 thousand people but do you really think with the billions on the planet that he would go through all that he did here for just 144 thousand and say later for the rest. He did what he did for all not just a drop in the bucket amount of people. God doesn't do anything penny anny, when he goes out he goes all out! [:)]

Besides when its all over there will be a new earth. We all come right back to earth after the tribulation. So if thats the case what would be the point in taking 144 thousand to heaven. Unless theres some sort of raffle going on I don't know about for a tour of heaven. [:)]




WesP -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/18/2008 9:02:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OleFitzHi

Yeah...Some of them came by the house the other day. I was not home and my wife would not let them in. Shoot!!!

I did hear on the radio that they have 8,000 slots still open. How depressing! The elect get the free pass and everyone else has to work his buns off and then there is still no guarantee. No wonder their suicide and mental illness rates are so high.

quote:

ORIGINAL: restored08

The beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses is that only 144,000 people are going to heaven where Jesus is and the rest of us (the righteous) are going to inherit the earth.



You have got to be kidding me. Where is the roster of the 136,000 that already made it? What was the criteria to get on it? [sm=sadquestion.gif]




slushie -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/18/2008 2:38:08 PM)

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yes, this is definitely NOT true.




WesP -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/18/2008 2:46:27 PM)

Slushie,

I love that song!




OleFitzHi -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/18/2008 9:21:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slushie

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yes, this is definitely NOT true.


http://www.jude3.net/JWFACT.HTM
"
Anointed Remnant
Those of the 144,000 that are still alive.
They are in the new covenant with Jesus as their mediator.
They must be born again.
They will reign as associate kings with Jesus in heaven.
They give up their physical bodies and are changed into spirit creatures when they die.
They are anointed with holy spirit.
Most of them were born in 1914 or earlier.
There are only about 8,000 left alive.
The remnant that have died and gone to heaven are somehow guiding the work of JWs here on earth."




WesP -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/23/2008 8:37:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OleFitzHi

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ORIGINAL: slushie

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yes, this is definitely NOT true.


http://www.jude3.net/JWFACT.HTM
"
Anointed Remnant
Those of the 144,000 that are still alive.
They are in the new covenant with Jesus as their mediator.
They must be born again.
They will reign as associate kings with Jesus in heaven.
They give up their physical bodies and are changed into spirit creatures when they die.
They are anointed with holy spirit.
Most of them were born in 1914 or earlier.
There are only about 8,000 left alive.
The remnant that have died and gone to heaven are somehow guiding the work of JWs here on earth."


Where praytell did the knowledge of birthdates and deaths come from? Why did no one go to heaven prior to this group? That contradicts the bible for certain sure. I know that you do not believe this. I am just asking in general.




cognitivemagic -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/24/2008 9:38:31 PM)

I suppose that if the number of "saved" were literally 144,000, then you also have to believe the literalness of this as well:

1) That Jesus doesn't have eyes, but fireballs; brass feet that get manicured in a furnace, a voice that babbles like a brook and a tongue that is the envy of blacksmiths everywhere (Rev. 1:14-16).

2) People worship a farm animal in heaven (Rev. 5:8)

3) The author of the book of Revelation finds books a delicacy (Rev. 10:9,10)

4) Fire-breathing Olive Trees (Rev. 11:4,5)

5) Dungeons and Dragons isn't just fantasy (Rev. 12)

6) Godzilla and Gamera are real (Rev. 13)

7) God likes vintage wines, Freddy Krueger style (Rev. 14:17-20)

8) God throws Tupperware parties (Rev. 16)

9) God marries items He met at a Jewelry store (Rev. 21:9-21)


Let the Jehovah's Witnesses have their exclusive number of "saved" in heaven; they can have these absurdities too!!




Ps103 -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/24/2008 11:23:19 PM)

You do not subscribe to this belief, do you, OleFitzHi?

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ORIGINAL: OleFitzHi

quote:

ORIGINAL: slushie

[sm=sadquestion.gif][sm=sadquestion.gif][sm=sadquestion.gif]

yes, this is definitely NOT true.


http://www.jude3.net/JWFACT.HTM
"
Anointed Remnant
Those of the 144,000 that are still alive.
They are in the new covenant with Jesus as their mediator.
They must be born again.
They will reign as associate kings with Jesus in heaven.
They give up their physical bodies and are changed into spirit creatures when they die.
They are anointed with holy spirit.
Most of them were born in 1914 or earlier.
There are only about 8,000 left alive.
The remnant that have died and gone to heaven are somehow guiding the work of JWs here on earth."




TheCatholicCrusader -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/25/2008 6:58:37 AM)

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Here is a quote from the tract called "More Stumpers for the Jehovah's Witnesses", at:
http://www.catholic.com/library/More_Stumpers_for_Jehovah_Wit.asp


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5. Is Heaven Just for the "Anointed Class"?

The WTS teaches that only the anointed 144,000 seen in Revelation 7 will enter heaven (the "anointed class"), while the remainder that are not annihilated (the "other sheep") will live forever on earth in paradise. However, the Bible poses some irreconcilable difficulties with this idea.

If Revelation 7 is to be taken literally, there would only be 144,000 Jewish male virgins taken from a square shaped earth that are now in heaven worshipping a sheep. This would mean that Peter (not a virgin), the Blessed Mother (not a male), and Charles Taze Russell (not a Jew) could not be in heaven. Reading one number literally while taking the rest of a book symbolically is not sound exegesis. Beyond this, we see in Revelation 14 that the 144,000 stand before the 24 elders from Revelation 4:4. This at least brings the grand total to 144,024 people. But, the Scriptures indicate that there are still more to come. Revelation 7:9 speaks of a countless multitude before the throne, which is in heaven (Rev. 14:2-3). Still in the book of Revelation, we read that all those with their name in the book of life are in heaven (Rev. 21:27), while all whose names are not in the book of life are thrown into the pool of fire (Rev. 20:15). There is no third "earthly" class. Jesus reiterates this, and never speaks of two flocks. He has one bride, whose "reward is great in heaven" (Luke 6:23). Paul even exhorts the Christian community, calling them to remember, "As for us, our citizenship exists in the heavens" (Phil. 3:20).

The JWs attempt to use verses such as Psalms 37:29 as evidence that the just are to inherit the land forever, which is earth. In context, this refers to inheriting the promised land as a sign of God’s blessing in the Old Testament. But, Hebrews 11:8-16 indicates that there is a homeland better than the promised land on earth, and this is the heavenly one for those who die in faith. The Old Testament patriarchs "publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land . . . they are earnestly seeking a place of their own. . . . But now they are reaching out for a better [place], that is, one belonging to heaven. . . . God . . . has made a city ready for them. . . .These [OT men and women] did not get the [fulfillment of the] promise . . . as God foresaw something better for us" (Heb. 11:13-16,39-40). Even the footnote of the NWT makes clear that the "city" spoken of in these verses is the heavenly Jerusalem mentioned in Hebrews 12:22 and Revelation 21:2. But, the Watchtower still maintains that no one that lived before Christ will ever enter heaven. "The apostle Paul in the eleventh chapter of Hebrews names a long list of faithful men who died before the crucifixion of the Lord. . . . These can never be a part of the heavenly class" (Millions Now Living, p. 89). Only the 144,000 elite that all lived after the death of Christ will supposedly go to heaven. Matthew 8:11-12 provides severe difficulties for this idea, since Jesus proclaims, "many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens; whereas the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where [their] weeping and the gnashing of [their] teeth will be." No verse could be clearer in declaring that the patriarchs are in heaven. The following verses all demonstrate that Christians go to heaven, and do not remain on earth: 2 Corinthians 5:1; Hebrews 3:1; Ephesians 2:6; Colossians 1:4-5; 1 Peter 1:4.


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Carico -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/26/2008 10:40:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: restored08

The beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses is that only 144,000 people are going to heaven where Jesus is and the rest of us (the righteous) are going to inherit the earth.


No. Revelation tells us that the 144,000 are the 12 tribes of Israel. So the JW's are making up their own bible.




OleFitzHi -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (7/26/2008 11:47:12 PM)

No...They came by the house the other day when I was not home. My wife talked to them. She told them that she was a Christian and they said, "So are we!" That threw her off guard, so she took a Watchtower and told them to come back when I was home. I decided to do some research so I would be ready. She said there was a young lady with them that looked scared to death. I feel sorry for her.

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ORIGINAL: Ps103

You do not subscribe to this belief, do you, OleFitzHi?

quote:

ORIGINAL: OleFitzHi

quote:

ORIGINAL: slushie

[sm=sadquestion.gif][sm=sadquestion.gif][sm=sadquestion.gif]

yes, this is definitely NOT true.


http://www.jude3.net/JWFACT.HTM
"
Anointed Remnant
Those of the 144,000 that are still alive.
They are in the new covenant with Jesus as their mediator.
They must be born again.
They will reign as associate kings with Jesus in heaven.
They give up their physical bodies and are changed into spirit creatures when they die.
They are anointed with holy spirit.
Most of them were born in 1914 or earlier.
There are only about 8,000 left alive.
The remnant that have died and gone to heaven are somehow guiding the work of JWs here on earth."





lrdl3537 -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (8/13/2008 5:08:45 PM)

I'm not sure what is permitted so in my profile uder message you will find a link to a very informative site. It explains the 144,000 pretty good and if you listen to the audio it helps.




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Thessa -> RE: Only 144,000 going to heaven, is this true (9/7/2008 12:42:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: restored08

The beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses is that only 144,000 people are going to heaven where Jesus is and the rest of us (the righteous) are going to inherit the earth.



Wow isnt that a nice thought for them...they are gonna get a HUGE awakening to the truth one of these days.
Do you know what else they believe? They believe that if you dont call God Jehovah then you dont believe in Him. Some of them actually told me that inside of my home one day.
Yeah..like i said. They will get a HUGE awakening someday.




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