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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 6/30/2008 11:58:08 PM
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1love1God1way
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Too bad we are so quick to pass of murder as "his right."
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 12:28:40 AM
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Hmm. Well, if I saw two guys burglarize my neighbors house, and then they came into my yard and threatened me, I'd probably be scared enough to shoot them too.
Burglary and a cocaine conviction... not nice people.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 1:20:38 AM
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1love1God1way
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If i remember the original story correctly, he had his gun at the ready to begin with, they were the ones that got scared, and he shot them as they ran away from him. they were already clear across the yard before he started pulling the trigger.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 6:07:24 AM
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The two criminals entered Mr. Horn's yard at which time he told them to not move, when they moved he fired. The shooting was witnessed by an off duty cop who did not arrest Mr. Horn.
This is how we treat someone who has enough sense of community that he would defend his neighbors property as if it were his own and we have the nerve to wonder why it is that people will stand by and watch crimes, murders, muggings, etc happen without lifting a finger to help.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 9:42:09 AM
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I'm not sure how I feel about this. In a way I can understand both sides of the argument, yet I do still lean towards feeling good that this man was not sent to prison over this.
I remember hearing the 911 tape and so I really am not prepared to go as far as to say that Mr. Horn felt threatened, he was obviously already prepared to stop the burglars before he even stepped foot outside.
But why is it so horrible that he did stop them? Doesn't the blame for their deaths still fall primarily on the burglars themselves for being there robbing that home in the first place?
I'm no burglar but I can tell you I still know the risk involved in doing such a thing, and being shot is definitely a risk they decided to take, and ended up losing. It seems to me their death is as much their own fault as it is his.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 9:48:07 AM
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Not surprising. Welcome to Texas.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 10:34:04 AM
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I am glad the Grand Jury recogized the law of Texas, too bad that the District Attorney did not.
If that law were a little more wide spread the crime rate would go way down.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 11:29:50 AM
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The man who shot the burglars had already decided to kill them when he was talking to 911. To kill someone over possesions is murder. The man is a murderer. Stealing $2000 is not a capital offense.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 11:34:16 AM
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From the article:
Horn believed the two men had broken into his neighbor's home and that he shot them out of fear for his life when they came into his yard and threatened him.
Whatever else I might think about Texas, I would never consider committing a felony there.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 11:34:41 AM
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Any burglar story that ends with the burglar getting shot is a good one....the man was protecting himself and his neighbors.
He was rightfully let off....
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The man is a murderer. Stealing $2000 is not a capital offense.
Hint: if you break into my house, I'm not going to wait until I determine the dollar amount of what you plan to steal. I will take you down and ask questions afterward (assuming you're still breathing)
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 11:44:07 AM
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If people don't want to get shot for stealing then the solution is quite simple. Don't break into someone's home and steal their stuff. Go get a job and buy your own stuff.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 11:49:43 AM
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quote:
From the article:
Horn believed the two men had broken into his neighbor's home and that he shot them out of fear for his life when they came into his yard and threatened him.
Whatever else I might think about Texas, I would never consider committing a felony there.
He shot them in the back.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 11:51:42 AM
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From the article:
Horn believed the two men had broken into his neighbor's home and that he shot them out of fear for his life when they came into his yard and threatened him.
Whatever else I might think about Texas, I would never consider committing a felony there.
He shot them in the back.
Again I say, whatever else I might think about Texas, I would never consider committing a felony there.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 11:52:33 AM
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They had no business trespassing. The point is people are tired of criminals getting more rights than law abiding citizens.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 11:52:48 AM
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The guy said they threatened him. If someone standing in my yard who is obviously a criminal and obviously knows where I live threatens me, for instance tells me they were going to come after me, and then turns around to leave, I'd shoot them in the back anyway rather than risk that they would come back and harm me and my family.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 12:04:25 PM
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God bless Texas! 
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 1:30:14 PM
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God bless Texas!
Amen and Amen.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 1:45:04 PM
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I am glad the Grand Jury recogized the law of Texas....
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RC is right, I believe. In Texas, the law allows the use of deadly force to protect personal property as long as the use of deadly force occurs after sunset (possibly a few other qualifications as well - can't remember.)
Legal by night, illegal by day.
One reason that repo men in Texas don't work the night shift! (There was a case of a man who shot the person attempting to reposess a car. About 10 years ago now. The repo man died, the car owner was acquitted. The car owner subsequently committed suicide.)
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 1:50:03 PM
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The guy said they threatened him. If someone standing in my yard who is obviously a criminal and obviously knows where I live threatens me, for instance tells me they were going to come after me, and then turns around to leave, I'd shoot them in the back anyway rather than risk that they would come back and harm me and my family.
I think that's where I differ with others. If he/they did that I don't think I'd shoot...maybe it's legally justified or not against the law, but it doesn't seem to be morally right to me... not if they turned around in order to leave. I wouldn't "shoot them anyway" or try to kill them over a verbal threat if they then proceeded to leave. That's not a right reason to shoot or kill, IMO. Of course I wouldn't know what I'd actually do unless it happened.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 2:15:08 PM
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So it's safe to assume that the Christian response to all this is kill or be killed
Not sure how I feel about this only because I had the opportunity to hear the tape conversation between him and the dispatcher. Did they threaten him with weapons? Since both men were shot in the back does that mean they were fleeing the scene, if so what about a warning shot or a wound to the leg?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 2:18:29 PM
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Well, I grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere, and I was trained from a very young age to protect family before all else. Gun safety started at 4 years old. At 12, I was standing on the porch with my mother casually holding a high-powered rifle while my dad went out to tell the drunken hunters that they weren't going to be allowed to rampage through our farm trying to shoot the pheasant they just saw. I'm a crack shot. I didn't want to shoot anyone (for that matter I don't even like the thought of shooting animals unless I really have to), but if they had threatened my father I came to terms very early with the fact that I would have. The price of having to kill someone is high, but the price of my sisters and I losing our father was unacceptable if I could prevent it. Fortunately our mere presence was always enough to make them behave and leave with at worst a few hurled curses.
When you grow up like that, you don't have the recourse of police. By the time they could get there, your entire family would be dead and the murderers would be done with what they came to do and long gone. So you understand the fact that if a known criminal threatens your family and obviously knows where you live, you're not going to be staying awake every night behind the window bars and deadbolts and steel doors and burglar alarms you just installed trembling and hoping they don't carry through, you're going to take care of it and have done with it. They made their choice when they decided on a life of crime, and better to make them suffer the consequences than your innocent family members.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 2:20:34 PM
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...Since both men were shot in the back does that mean they were fleeing the scene, if so what about a warning shot or a wound to the leg?...
Just a thought:
Say, back when he was out doing his dirty deeds, you saw Ted Bundy leaving your neighbor's house (not knowing if he butchered the whole family or just took a quarter) and he threatened to be back for you or your family members later. Would you hesitate in shooting even if his back was to you and would you bother taking careful aim at his little toe?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 2:36:48 PM
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stamper_ben
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
I am glad the Grand Jury recogized the law of Texas....
Thanks
RC
RC is right, I believe. In Texas, the law allows the use of deadly force to protect personal property as long as the use of deadly force occurs after sunset (possibly a few other qualifications as well - can't remember.)
Legal by night, illegal by day.
One reason that repo men in Texas don't work the night shift! (There was a case of a man who shot the person attempting to reposess a car. About 10 years ago now. The repo man died, the car owner was acquitted. The car owner subsequently committed suicide.)
Legal to protect our property and selves 24/7 my friend. Time of day has nothing to do with it.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/1/2008 2:44:31 PM
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Legal to protect our property and selves 24/7 my friend. Time of day has nothing to do with it.
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Moral to shoot two people in the back that are running away from you? With a neighbor that is a law enforcement officer present? In that back, that's showin' good love alright!
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