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RE: Is God green? - 7/4/2008 1:03:13 PM
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On the bright side, if the Marxists are behind it, you've got nothing to worry about. They don't exactly have a good record at taking over industrialized countries.
Maybe so, but they DO have a track record of subverting and deceiving christians and churches into radical philosophies that water down the gospel.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/4/2008 1:23:32 PM
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Anything else is an abuse of his creation and sinful.
Rom 1:25 (NASB) 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:28 (NASB) 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
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adokimos; from G1 (as a neg. pref.) and G1384; not standing the test, rejected:—depraved (1), disqualified (1), fail the test (2), rejected (1), unapproved (1), worthless (2).
The truth of about "saving the planet" is not so much a desire to keep it from all harm, but an anti-capitalist agenda. Capitalism has always cared more for the planet than has socialism. But capitalism, paired with Christianity, wants the well being of both the Earth AND its inhabitants.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/4/2008 2:18:26 PM
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What about CO2, since that is now considered to be a pollutant?
CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
Who says it's a pollutant?
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RE: Is God green? - 7/4/2008 4:30:35 PM
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Oh, I think you're so right!!! Thanx so much for that post.
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Is God green? -
Nope...but, I have a sneaking suspicion the Anti-Christ will be!
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RE: Is God green? - 7/4/2008 4:31:46 PM
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Excellent, Son!!! Thanx for your great post!
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More species have beomce extinct before man even arrived on the scene than from his time, man's, to the present. Special extinction is a part of the life here on this planet and in no way is dependant on man.
This is what radical enviromentalism teaches..a hatred of man. So called "nature experts" who do not even recognise the world around them as to the reason why things are the way they are. They pervert science to promote their socialism.
Lets talk..acid rain...pure baloney. A naturally occuring event some scientist tried to blame man for.
Global warming...no science behind blaming man for it...but measure a slight increase in mean temperatures over the earth, concoct some connection with some man made gases and throw out every other ideal..and you have global warming. Don't look at what they think. Look at their goals. In that...you will find the real truth behind global warming.
We are gonna cause an ice age. We are gonna burn up. The ice caps are gonna melt and we will all be under 25 feet of ocean water. We're gonna pollute the earth into unlivability. We are gonna nuke the world. We are gonna cause a chemical armegeddon. We are gonna kill the snail darter off and ruin ecosystems. We are gonna inudate the coasts with oil. We are gonna change the world by cutting down trees. We are all gonna die because of methane expelled by cows. We are gonna over populate the world and starve.
Scare tactics to promote government legislation so they...will....be...in...power.
Baloney.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/4/2008 5:06:48 PM
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CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
Who says it's a pollutant?
Well this group for one of many; ]SEE HERE
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RE: Is God green? - 7/4/2008 5:53:38 PM
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Imagine that! Maybe we weren't wrong after all.
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CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
Who says it's a pollutant?
Well this group for one of many; ]SEE HERE
Thanks
RC
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The Prayer of Protection
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RE: Is God green? - 7/4/2008 10:52:57 PM
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CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
Who says it's a pollutant?
Well this group for one of many; ]SEE HERE
Thanks
RC
I think the Supreme Court's nuts, trying to regulate a natural occuring gas! It's a poor solution to industry inaction by saying "man-made greenhouse gases should be regulated under The Clean Air act."
I thought you folks were refering to science, not politics (or B.S. law).
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RE: Is God green? - 7/5/2008 10:22:35 AM
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I thought you folks were refering to science, not politics (or B.S. law).
Well in my totally unscientific opinion CO2 may well be a pullutant to humans, but if you are a tree then it would be an entirely different matter.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/5/2008 10:34:43 AM
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I thought you folks were refering to science, not politics (or B.S. law).
Well it seems the concept of man-made global warming is nothing but politics and a pathetic grasp for power. So as long as we're on the subject, politics is bound to be brought into it.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/5/2008 1:03:42 PM
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2 Tim 4:3 - 4 (ESV) 3For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
The myth of global warming is causing great harm to our economy. But much worse, the push for corn-based ethanol is taking away food from the poorest of the poor. These environmentalist wackos care more for the penguins and polar bears than these.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/5/2008 4:31:06 PM
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The myth of global warming is causing great harm to our economy. But much worse, the push for corn-based ethanol is taking away food from the poorest of the poor. These environmentalist wackos care more for the penguins and polar bears than these.
I could not agree more; there are multiple-millions of folks all over the world that depend on corn as the staple for the food that sustains them. The price is going out of sight because of the tree hugging greenie ecoterrorist, and it is a shame that most folks cannot see this.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/5/2008 5:16:16 PM
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I thought you folks were refering to science, not politics (or B.S. law).
Well in my totally unscientific opinion CO2 may well be a pullutant to humans, but if you are a tree then it would be an entirely different matter.
Thanks
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Carbon dioxide is one of the mediators of local autoregulation of blood supply. If its levels are high, the capillaries expand to allow a greater blood flow to that tissue.
Bicarbonate ions are crucial for regulating blood pH. A person's breathing rate influences the level of CO2 in their blood. Breathing that is too slow or shallow causes respiratory acidosis, while breathing that is too rapid leads to hyperventilation, which may cause respiratory alkalosis.
Although the body requires oxygen for metabolism, low oxygen levels do not stimulate breathing. Rather, breathing is stimulated by higher carbon dioxide levels.
CO2
is part of what makes our body work properly.
Are you saying God created us polluted?!
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RE: Is God green? - 7/5/2008 7:20:09 PM
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What about CO2, since that is now considered to be a pollutant?
CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
Who says it's a pollutant?
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/85/i15/8515news4.html
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2007-04/2007-04-09-voa24.cfm?CFID=8957081&CFTOKEN=29131934
Thank you for the 2 links to the Supreme Court decision, the first one was much more informative.
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Justice John Paul Stevens, writing for the majority, said the Clean Air Act’s definition of the term “air pollutant” “embraces all airborne compounds of whatever stripe.”
“Because greenhouse gases fit well within the Act’s capacious definition of ‘air pollutant,’ EPA has statutory authority to regulate emission of such gases from new motor vehicles,” Stevens wrote. Joining him on the opinion were Justices Anthony Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen G. Breyer.
The key word here is "capacious" - "containing or capable of containing a great deal."
Broadly written laws are not necessarily well written laws. It makes for absurd rulings on these laws.
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Carbon dioxide is an end product in organisms that obtain energy from breaking down sugars, fats and amino acids with oxygen as part of their metabolism, in a process known as cellular respiration. This includes all plants, animals, many fungi and some bacteria.
The greatest production of CO2 is not man made but produced by the tectonic movement of the earth's plates. - Wikipedia
I hope it's only for automobiles!
Taken to the extreme, I suppose this now gives the EPA the authority to regulate all oxygen breathing life forms on earth as well as earthquakes & volcanoes; at least according to the Supreme Court's decision on CO2 as a pollutant.
Funny, I thought that decision was up to the Supreme Being.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/5/2008 8:53:22 PM
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Rom 8:18 - 25 (ESV) 18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.
We must remember that Planet Earth is not sacred and, it too, was subject to the fall. Yes, are to take care of and be good stewards of what God has given us. Witness the crop rotation guidelines spelled out in the book of Levitivus.
But we must also remember that industrialization has made us much more effective at producing goods and getting those goods to those who need them. Because of our industrialization we can feed the world's poor.
Because of industrialization, the human life span has increased. We have cures for diseases. We have clean water. The vast majority live in affordable shelter. We have heat in the Winter and cool air in the Summer. We have the technology that allows the sharing of information.
But we have those that want to take us back to the days of the horse and buggy. To those days when only the very rich could experince life's luxuries.
We have those that have co-opted the practices of the corrupt Popes were for a price, one could buy a loved one out of Hell. Today's indulgences allow Pope Al and his followers to continue their livestyles and to justify it buying carbon credits that, like the selling of indulgences do nothing but enrich the pockets of today's corrupt evironmentalist clergy.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/6/2008 6:45:14 AM
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The myth of global warming is causing great harm to our economy. But much worse, the push for corn-based ethanol is taking away food from the poorest of the poor. These environmentalist wackos care more for the penguins and polar bears than these.
I could not agree more; there are multiple-millions of folks all over the world that depend on corn as the staple for the food that sustains them. The price is going out of sight because of the tree hugging greenie ecoterrorist, and it is a shame that most folks cannot see this.
Thanks
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The President disagrees with you
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"And no question that ethanol has had a part of it, but I simply do not subscribe to the notion that it is the main cost-driver for your food going up," Bush said.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/6/2008 8:37:59 AM
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What about CO2, since that is now considered to be a pollutant?
CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
Who says it's a pollutant?
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/85/i15/8515news4.html
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2007-04/2007-04-09-voa24.cfm?CFID=8957081&CFTOKEN=29131934
Thank you for the 2 links to the Supreme Court decision, the first one was much more informative.
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Justice John Paul Stevens, writing for the majority, said the Clean Air Act’s definition of the term “air pollutant” “embraces all airborne compounds of whatever stripe.”
“Because greenhouse gases fit well within the Act’s capacious definition of ‘air pollutant,’ EPA has statutory authority to regulate emission of such gases from new motor vehicles,” Stevens wrote. Joining him on the opinion were Justices Anthony Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen G. Breyer.
The key word here is "capacious" - "containing or capable of containing a great deal."
Broadly written laws are not necessarily well written laws. It makes for absurd rulings on these laws.
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Carbon dioxide is an end product in organisms that obtain energy from breaking down sugars, fats and amino acids with oxygen as part of their metabolism, in a process known as cellular respiration. This includes all plants, animals, many fungi and some bacteria.
The greatest production of CO2 is not man made but produced by the tectonic movement of the earth's plates. - Wikipedia
I hope it's only for automobiles!
Taken to the extreme, I suppose this now gives the EPA the authority to regulate all oxygen breathing life forms on earth as well as earthquakes & volcanoes; at least according to the Supreme Court's decision on CO2 as a pollutant.
Funny, I thought that decision was up to the Supreme Being.
Yes! I agree with you! That is what I have been trying to say!
This whole global warming theory is being taken WAY too far, and it boils down to the fact that there are people trying to get more power and money.
Edit: well except for hoping it's for automobiles. That makes no sense unless you are willing to go as far as say that human breath is also a pollutant.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/6/2008 8:44:15 AM
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The myth of global warming is causing great harm to our economy. But much worse, the push for corn-based ethanol is taking away food from the poorest of the poor. These environmentalist wackos care more for the penguins and polar bears than these.
I could not agree more; there are multiple-millions of folks all over the world that depend on corn as the staple for the food that sustains them. The price is going out of sight because of the tree hugging greenie ecoterrorist, and it is a shame that most folks cannot see this.
Thanks
RC
The President disagrees with you
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"And no question that ethanol has had a part of it, but I simply do not subscribe to the notion that it is the main cost-driver for your food going up," Bush said.
And he also states that he is in favor of ethanol in the article, so of course his response to the food is not a surprise. It doesn't mean he's right.
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RE: Is God green? - 7/6/2008 11:45:04 AM
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God did not create PBC's, benzine, or other chemical contaminants which we dump into the environment and which plague both people and animals with cancers and birth defects. Ask the folks who live in highly polluted areas- like down the Mississippi River on both sides- how they like the high rates of cancers that afflict them. Here in Tennessee near Franklin in Williamson County, the Egyptian Lacquer Company has been leaking tuolene- a known carcinogenic substance- for years into the Harpeth River; there are municipalities including Franklin which draw their drinking water from the Harpeth. You can go all around the world and find similar problems. Air pollution fromChina is affecting air quality in the western US, not to mention what its doing to its closer neighbors like Japan,Taiwan, and the Phillipines.
Overuse of pesticides has not only polluted soil and water but killed off songbirds who are the natural predators of insects and also killed off beneficial insects such as bees and butterflies which are needed for pollination. When plants-including crops- are not pollinated, they do not produce fruit or seeds which people and animals alike depend on for food, and which the plants depend on for propogation of their species. I can definitely see the difference in the past 3 decades since I was a kid- the fields and woods used to be full of song birds- scarlet tanagers(haven't seen one for more than 20 yrs), Baltimore Oriels(20 yrs), goldfinches(10 yrs), redwing blackbirds( 15 yrs), wood thrush(7 yrs), meadowlarks(10 yrs), and the ones I do see- robins, cardinals, wrens, grackles, blue jays, chickadees, vireos, woodpeckers-are in far fewer numbers than before. The only ones who seem to be flourishing are the pigeons, starlings,and english sparrows-all 3 introduced from Europe and all 3 considered invasive pests. Pigeons and starlings carry histoplasmosis, a lung infection which can cripple and kill humans and is contracted thru the birds' droppings. The only cure for the disease is very expensive and has some very nasty and sometimes permanent side effects.
I haven't seen a wild bee for several years, and this year there were no bumble bees even. The butterflies are so few that I could count the ones I see on any given day on my fingers. Due to the lack of natural pollinators, I had to pollinate our apple, peach, and pear trees by hand; not only was this difficult and time-consuming, it isn't very effective either. Keep in mind we do NOT use any chemicals on our land, so the dearth of birds and beneficial insects is largely due to the folks in the nearby subdivisions using chemicals on their lawns and flowers. Many of our local creeks and rivers are polluted by the runoff from these lawns carrying the chemicals into the waterways and poisoning or killing off fish, shellfish, other invertebtrates, and aquatic plants. The animals who eat these are also poisoned. I can't go fishing anywhere around here and eat the fish I catch- they are too full of toxic chemicals from runoff and illegally dumped sewerage and industrial waste.
Yes volcanos and animals breathing produce Co2 and animal flatulance produces methane. However that is no excuse for us to add excessively to pollution as we do. That's a cop-put for people who just plain do not want to take responsibility for the mess we make and who are too lazy to do anything to change our habits so that we leave a cleaner world for our children and grandchildren.
And for those of you who think "Oh well, God will just make us a new word", let me remind you He will do that on His schedule, not ours and His hand will not be forced no matter how much of a polluted, uninhabitable hades-hole we turn this planet into. If you defecate in your own bed instead of using the bathroom, do you expect God to change your sheets for you?
Besides which, this is HIS planet not ours-we are the gardeners not the owners so we are responsible for caring for His creations here. If you set someone in charge of caring for your property and they polluted and trashed it, would you be pleased with them? Whan God made this world, He saw what He had done and said it was good. God made natureand man is part of that nature whether we think so or not. Everything we do to this planet we do also to ourselves because we live here, breathe here, drink here, eat here. The plants and animals we eat, the water we drink, the earth and sky they come from all become part of us when we eat, drink, and breathe. Their nutrients keep us alive and become the building blocks for the cells of our bodies. Whatever is in them gets into us as well. The soil in your yard that you and your kids walk and play on- well it might behoove you to remember that even if you dont know it, you end up swallowing a bit of that soil each and every day. What do you put into it that you wouldn't even think about putting into yourself or your children? Weed and insect killers? Chemical fertilizers? And what you treat your yard with goes into the water eventually, along with whatever you flush down your toilet or drains- and remember that sewerage plants do not remove all of the pollutants from incoming just the solid stuff for the most part. The chemicals and most of the bacteria are still there and being released into the rivers, lakes, or groundwater the water was drawn from. Think about that the next time you take your kids to go swimming at the lake or river.
As far as the groundwater goes, since most of the aquifers cover hundreds of miles, any pollutants that seep into them will be spread over large areas. Once the groundwater is contaminated there is no natural filtration system to purify it, and all the springs, wells, and waterways feeding from the aquifer will also be contaminated. It takes years, often decades, for it to become noticeable and the water is not usually tested until people start getting sick from cancers, birth defects, or women begin suffering from unnaturally high rates of miscarriages. By then the contamination is in the soil as well as the water so the area has become a toxic zone. Try selling your house and moving away from there when no one will buy it because of the pollution, and don't expect the EPA to pay you for your house and land or for the government to bail you out either. Oh, and good luck getting your HMO to pay for the medical treatments you and your children will need for the cancers and birth defects you have a good chance of developing.
Caring for nature and being responsible stewards of God's creation does not equate to nature-worship. It shows an understanding of the responsibilities He gave us and honors that obligation we have to Him as the Creator. We are the stewards, the gardeners and accountable to Him fo rhow we treat His creation. He did NOT make this world for us, He made it for Himself and made each thing because it pleased Him to do so. He put us here because He wanted His children to live in a beautiful and abundant place, and He wants us to care for it so that each generation has the ability to enjoy the beauty He created and all of the things we need to live in abundance.
As far as faminesgo,notice I said MOST famines are man-made from poor farming practices which overuse the land and deplete the soil, deforestation(trees release moisture into the air which becomes rain and dew), and wars(can't farm when the fighting ruins the fields or keeps crops from being planted). Climate changes can be induced by human activity when areas previously forested or covered in grass are stripped by cutting down all of the trees and overtilling/overgrazing. In the Amazon basin, there are places which are becoming desert because of large-scale deforestation to create pasture for cattle ranching; the underlaying soil is thin and poor in nutrients- once the ashes and debris from the burned trees has been absorbed by the planted grasses-which usually takes only a couple or three years- the area becomes sterile. Due to the lack of trees over hundreds of hectares to put moisture into the air and hold the soil, any rainfall that does accumulate washes away what little was there and nothing grows. The changing rainfall patterns affect other areas, which promotes drier conditions that affect remaining forest adversely. Add to that the illegal strip-mining going on and over-logging(much of it illegal as Brazil has set strict quotas for logging in order to protect the rainforest), it would not be impossible to think that the Amazon basin could end up completely arid sometime in the 22nd century.
Forests produce not only moisture but they are the lungs of our planet-taking in CO2 and producing oxygen- the larger the forest- the more CO2 intaken and O2 released, and the more moisture put into the air to produce dew and rain. Pollution from cars(carbon monoxide) and and factories/power plants(sulphur dioxide primarily) kill trees, deplete oxygen, and end up causing water and soil pollution when they fall in rain. Pollution damages all organic things, including us, and lessens the abundance of the earth- the very abundance we depend on for survival.
Of course, there are always those who will not see any of this until the day comest hey turn on their tap and there is ei | | |
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