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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 5:15:30 PM
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mvic
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Armydude has made a point several times which is being glossed over in this discussion:
"If we're truly that concerned with the fate of those that never hear the truth, what are we doing to share that truth with them?"
When we get to meet Him at the gate of Heaven He'll ask us such a question.
The answer is very difficult and might be the subject of another separate thread; so as not to derail this one.
HOW are we to share the truth with un-believers?
We are not all experienced and well educated pastors, preachers and priests. We aren't all able to stand at street corners and preach or knock at doors and spread the Good News.
How do we reach these people?
Anyone care to start a new thread?
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 5:28:38 PM
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Go for it mvic... I'll follow your lead...
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 5:51:11 PM
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Thanks everyone for your reply. I totally understand. Ive been a christian long enough, I should know these things. I'm just such a lover and a softy. I do nails for a living and see up to eight women a day on a regular schedule. So many of them I've grown to love. They know I'm a christain and I do talk about what the Lord has done in my life. I live in Oregon. LOTS of unbelievers here. Thats why I askes the question because it makes me sad that they wont be up there with me some day.
Thanks again everyone.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 6:02:46 PM
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sinners who DO go to hell................ are not God's children.
Excellent point IMA.
When we believe in Christ; then and only then are we adopted into the family of God.
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Exactly. But I do have to restate my earlier question. This is to those that get so upset at the concept of God "sending people to hell"... What are we doing (not only as a church, but individually) to share the gospel with people? If we're not sharing the gospel with people that we believe are not saved, that's the equivalent of watching a drowning person and not doing anything to save them IMO...
Ahem... excuse me, but I do believe you are not saved- that you do not believe in Jesus Christ. Would you step over here with me for a second? I'd like to explain to you how to save yourself from eternal damnation, if you'd allow me.
Help! Help! I'm drowning! I can't swim any more and I swam out here to see if I could make it back. Help!
That's an interesting analogy, but probably would have been better to say someone caught fire by their cigarette lighter or something. Getting out to save someone from drowning is not a task for just anyone. Mostly that's because you have to go out there expecting the person to try to make a float out of you to stay above the water. If you aren't careful, you could drown as well as the person you went to save. Whereas most anyone can yell drop! roll! or do a flying tackle at their ankles to get them down where flames can be batted out.
With the drowning example, however, what do you do? Maybe you can't swim yourself. Maybe that's an adult out there and you're a little kid. Maybe there's sharks out there, or any number of things. What if you fell to your knees on the bank and yelled pray this after me, and went on to yell the sinners prayer to the drowning person? You are watching them drown, but at the same time you are doing all you can do.
In love, do you really want to compare trying to share Christ with someone to an incident that requires some rapid thinking and rapid action? Batting out someone on fire could easily take less time than leading them to Christ. If you know what you are doing, and you go out and haul that person by their hair or in a loose half-Nelson, that could also be done easier than leading them to Christ. Either way, you certainly have a nice intro to explaining to them who Christ is to you.
There's a drowning person, and you know you'll never get out there to them in time to keep them from going under. Once they are under, they are likely not to be found. I can't equate either trying to swim out there, or simply falling to my knees in prayer for whoever it is, shortly before they die, to be deserving of a check in my negative column as my entrance to heaven score is tallied. I don't believe in that score, any way. Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe. He paid it all for everyone. There is therefore no fault for me to endure in that situation.
I do think I understand your underlying point, but that's a weak analogy attached to a sense of a damnable action in God's eyes that I do not believe is there.
Where did the OP go? This is an intriguing thread with some great thoughts, and it is threatened to become deserted. I hate when that happens.     
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 6:08:26 PM
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Sarcasm doesn't help your point a bit. Especially when you spent such a long time on the sarcasm that you missed the answer to your last question. Look at the post above yours.
Edit: With the way you started your post, I think you missed my underlying point.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 6:18:54 PM
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Now address the post in question...
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Ahem... excuse me, but I do believe you are not saved- that you do not believe in Jesus Christ. Would you step over here with me for a second? I'd like to explain to you how to save yourself from eternal damnation, if you'd allow me.
Help! Help! I'm drowning! I can't swim any more and I swam out here to see if I could make it back. Help! Maybe its just me, but this seemed to be dripping with sarcasm. Allow me to explain what I actually meant.
Throughout the day I make a point to talk about how good God is. There is really no bad response to this. If the response is enthusiastic, excellent! I am (likely) talking to a fellow believer, and the conversation can continue about how good God is. If the response is less than enthusiastic, then I can share how good God's been to me and that His love extends to everyone. Maybe it's a Christian that's just having a bad day. In that case, I can encourage a fellow believer. Maybe this person is not a Christian at all. In that case, I'm planting a seed. Occasionally God has allowed me to see a person accept Jesus as a personal Lord and Savior. I would like to add here that there is NO greater feeling anywhere.quote:
That's an interesting analogy, but probably would have been better to say someone caught fire by their cigarette lighter or something. Getting out to save someone from drowning is not a task for just anyone. Mostly that's because you have to go out there expecting the person to try to make a float out of you to stay above the water. If you aren't careful, you could drown as well as the person you went to save. Whereas most anyone can yell drop! roll! or do a flying tackle at their ankles to get them down where flames can be batted out. Actually that proves my point. You have to be prepared. You have to know what you're doing. Just like the bible says, "study to show thyself approved." BTW, that's a command for all followers of Jesus. It's also a command to be prepared "in season and out of season."quote:
With the drowning example, however, what do you do? Maybe you can't swim yourself. Maybe that's an adult out there and you're a little kid. Maybe there's sharks out there, or any number of things. What if you fell to your knees on the bank and yelled pray this after me, and went on to yell the sinners prayer to the drowning person? You are watching them drown, but at the same time you are doing all you can do. I think your imagination has you reading a little too much into what I'm trying to say.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 6:51:23 PM
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Thanks everyone for your reply. I totally understand. Ive been a christian long enough, I should know these things. I'm just such a lover and a softy. I do nails for a living and see up to eight women a day on a regular schedule. So many of them I've grown to love. They know I'm a christain and I do talk about what the Lord has done in my life. I live in Oregon. LOTS of unbelievers here. Thats why I askes the question because it makes me sad that they wont be up there with me some day.
Thanks again everyone.
Unless they are walking zombies.. you don't know what their final outcome will be. Just an FYI.
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