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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 7/29/2008 4:36:05 PM
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URForgiven
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what I am wanting is more
and I won't give my faith up if I don't get it, but I think I am allowed to want more
We all want to know Christ more, that is not wrong. To want to know Him more now, that may be asking Him to fit into our timetable instead of us fitting into His. It is a relationship, and relationships develop and deepen over time. I believe we are given as much as we can take, and that is not a determination we get to make, or even one we could make.
We want everything now, but God says, "there is a time for everything". And His timing is not our timing for sure. Your heart is open to Him and that is all He asks of you. You have a beautiful spirit that is obvious to all. Now, enter into His rest. Bless you.
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 7/29/2008 5:05:17 PM
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URForgiven
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Speaking of entering into His rest...
How to do that...I have been thinking about that. I believe it is in Hebrews 4?
Yes, in Hebrews, God speaks of those who did not enter His rest because they did not combine the message with faith. So the message [the Gospel] was of no use to them. I believe we enter into His rest when we understand that it is all Him, and we respond by placing everything in His hands...knowing that He is able. That is faith. We enter Gods rest, when we rest from our own work.
Jesus Christ died for you, to give Himself to you, so that He can live His life through you.
It is not about what we are doing, it is about what He is doing in and through us, as we rest [abide, trust] in Him. This is how He produces good fruit through us, fruit that others can then enjoy, and so share in all the good things of Christ. Bless you.
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 7/29/2008 5:17:24 PM
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What great edification you've received thus far. I enjoyed 'Conquered's' response. You are right on...the way to enter God's rest...is BY FAITH as outlined in Hebrews 4. A great sense of confidence/contentment and release of burden, confusion and wonderings will manifest for you if you simply take what you know of God's loving character, meditate upon His word and BELEIVE He is who He says and will do what He promised.
For me, I can say that those times when I've "come up empty" having done all that I believe I should in seeking God was either about disobedience, wanting to "feel" instead of believing, or not being "filled up" by Him because I was not releasing my.........whatever, to Him(burdens, reasonings, fears etc.)and replacing it with His LOVE peace, joy, etc.
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 7/29/2008 6:40:14 PM
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We all want to know Christ more, that is not wrong. To want to know Him more now, that may be asking Him to fit into our timetable instead of us fitting into His. It is a relationship, and relationships develop and deepen over time. I believe we are given as much as we can take, and that is not a determination we get to make, or even one we could make.
UR is right. It’s about relationship and timing. Remember this relationship is with a God and a King. He does not answer to us. Now this is not to say he is not merciful, but he does allow us to suffer and struggle on our own to not only appreciate his grace but to deepen our dependence on him.
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 7/29/2008 7:39:39 PM
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Actually, what God wants to give you is stronger than a friendship relationship. It's bigger, stronger, more potent. It means trusting in his Word, Word, Word. Not in doctrine, not the pastor, But His word. His word says in Ps 81:10 Open your mouth and I will feed you.
John 10:27 says: 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."
Again, It's the Word, Word, Word of God. Too many folks believe what their pastor says or their doctrine, or tradition instead of God's word. That's when the problems come. You are seeking God through your senses and you'll never find Him. But if you seek Him through His word, you will find Him. John 10:23 says 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
What Jesus is saying is that you can't find that relationship through your feelings or like a human friend, but you have to have faith in His word, not in your senses. Your feelings are saying He's not here. But His word says, He'll always be here and He'll never leave you. I suggest you do a study on who you are in Christ Jesus. Ask His Spirit to show you what it all means and how He sees you and what He did on the cross. Too many believers read God's word like the Readers Digest as they are sitting on the Toilet. Don't skim His word, but investigate. What does I am more than a conqueror mean? What does His word mean? Study it, consume it.
I have what you're looking for, but I found it by having faith in His word, not my feelings. I don't feel warm fuzzies, but I sense His spirit everyday and I hear from Him. Stop looking for Jesus in your feelings, start looking for Him in His word, make it a part of you, eat it. If someone tells you something in your church, from your pastor, on this board and it's not in the Bible, it's not from God, period. Like Jesus said, Eat my flesh, which was the word of God. The more you start to meditate on His word, confess His word over your life, then you'll start seeing what you want, which is more of Him. But remember, your christian life MUST revovle around His word, not your church, or your pastor, or your traditions or even doctrine. It must be His word. the more you have faith in His word, the more of Him you'll see. Too many folks can't 'see' Jesus b/c they don't follow His word, but follow doctrine or traditions or what their pastor said. So of course, their lives are empty. But have faith in His word and His word only, and you'll get what you want from Him. Capise? :)
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awhhh thanks, and you too 
and I don't know about you, but sometimes I begin to think...did I do something too wrong. Why is it easier for some to get what they need in a relationship with Jesus, and not me?
I know it is a two way relationship, but sometimes Jesus feels missing in action. I know He isn't, but knowing He isn't only helps so much...it only goes so far...
< Message edited by Dancre -- 7/29/2008 7:53:06 PM >
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 7/29/2008 7:44:31 PM
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Dancre
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Heb 4:2 says For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith.[a]
Again, it's faith. Faith and the Word are sisters and go hand in hand. You want His Rest, then you enter it through faith. vs 10 says 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. In other words, it's not by works that you enter His rest, it's by faith. Faith in who you are in Christ Jesus and faith in His word.
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ORIGINAL: PopsiLufsJesus
Speaking of entering into His rest...
How to do that...I have been thinking about that. I believe it is in Hebrews 4?
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 7/29/2008 9:01:07 PM
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From my experience, I can say that when I have searched for Him, and desired to grow closer to Him, He has been right there. When I have felt distance between us, it is usually through my own doing. Whether it was a slip, a backslide, or guilt, I am to blame for the times He seems like He is not near. And that is the kicker, He seems like He is not near, but He always is right there waiting for me. He tells us He will never leave or forsake us, even til the end of the age, and that is one promise I take to the bank. When I have prayed to be restored, and refreshed, He has done so.
What a great God we serve.
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 7/30/2008 10:29:39 PM
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Popsi I have the same problem as you do, each day I read his word and meditate, praying that his word will change my life and bring me closer to him. The responses posted here have been really helpful thanks.
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 7/31/2008 1:25:52 PM
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ChelaW
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Maybe God is calling you to do something, I am not saying to preach because I do not believe woman are supposed to preach, but maybe a sundayschool class or some kind of missions or something else.
I'm sorry to butt in, but this sentence really caught my eye, partially because I am a woman who has been called to preach.
I'm not sure of your reasoning for not believing women are supposed to preach, but I found this information from Bible.com: http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=141
Just a suggestion to possibly re-think your belief.
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 8/6/2008 8:25:12 AM
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I am much older than you, and hope my reply will not sound trite. You can't know someone until you really do all that you can to see the real person. For me, that meant re-reading the scriptures starting at Gen. 1:1, praying as you read, and asking nothing except to 'see and know' the face of God.
There was a song by Dottie West called Yet Will I Praise Thee. The inspiration is from the book of Habakkuk. Basically it says, Though everything is awful and the world is falling apart, I will still look to my God and I will continue to praise Him.
My life scripture is Isaiah 54:6-17. Something unthinkable happened to one of my children, and I went through a time of rage. Not only against the person responsible, but also against God. One day when both murder and suicide were real possibilities, God showed Himself to me through his word. He showed me Himself not as a great high potentate, but as a Father who had stood and watched (and wept and grieved), as His Son was tortured and murdered. He showed me John 3:16 as "I loved you and your child so very much that I was willing to sacrifice my own child so that yours will never die, but will reside with me (and someday with you) in the most wonderful place you can imagine."
That day, He also showed me another scripture, Mark 11:25, "Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone; so that your Father in Heaven may also forgive you your trespasses."
I was only able to see God's face by forgiving the person responsible for my child's death. That one day, has changed my whole life.
Please keep seeking through the Word of God, but look at the earth too. Go to places where He is at work. Do you have a local soup kitchen? Go find out why it was started. Do you have a Hospice? Find out why it started. Is there a church program that takes Bibles or just friendship into the prisons? Find out why they do that, and you'll start to see the heart of God.
I promise, if you look for Him, God will answer. He already has. How did you find this website?
I will keep you in my prayers.
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 8/6/2008 8:29:06 AM
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Tim - This (1 Kings 19:11-12) is one of my very favorite scriptures. Thank you so much for posting it!
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RE: Seeking and not finding... - 8/6/2008 9:38:01 AM
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The one thing that I have come to learn about the Lord is that He always answers prayers-and almost always, He answers them differently than I would have thought Him to.
You have said that you are looking for a certain type of relationship with Him-what if that's NOT the type of relationship He is looking for with you?
Here's my example from my life. I don't get many people directly coming into my life and bringing the Word of the Lord to me-either in word or deed. I've always been irked by that-I have always wanted people around me to validate what the Lord is showing me-that I get a "skin on" Jesus from time to time, etc. etc.
On the other hand, the Lord has revealed incredible mysteries to me in His Word and by His Holy Spirit. He has proven them out with confirmation after confirmation in my life-just not the confirmation of an individual coming up and speaking a truth to me. I often want to hear His Word through a person (so that I know that I'm not crazy, so that I see someone else is getting the same message, etc.)-I see a lot of people around me who have that and I find myself being more and more wishful for that as an aspect of our relationship.
On more than one occasion, He has shown me that we have the type of relationship we have (Him directly speaking and confirming His Word for my life to me) because that's what HE desires for the relationship and in time I will see why. I still don't understand and so I continue to try to pray that He change that-He hasn't so far, and I see how I've grown as a result.
Perhaps for you, He intends to show himself through others and therefore your one on one relationship with Him will be different-I don't know, but I do know that the relationship the two of you have will be the one HE desires-and take it from one who has tried to change that for a while, the relationship HE desires is much better than you can ever imagine. That said, you may try to ask him what type of relationship He desires to have with you and try to walk in that to the best of your ability so that He can grow you as HE sees fit.
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