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RE: 'Lil Robert - 8/28/2008 7:20:26 PM
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VocalCoach
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Ah yes...the famous Ric Flair do!! I know it's kinda cool, huh? It was a fad at the time, you know summer time and all that.
I want to thank everyone who has replied thus far. It is a blessing to me to hear the true hearts of Christians who truly love and respect others. I know that people are inherently good at heart but there are those who can't be satisfied unless they hurt others. However, I believe it is up to us to hold others accountable for their actions if we are in line to do so. My husband and I have been really torn down by "Christians" over the past several years and it has taken some time to put things behind us and move on. I look forward to getting to know everyone!
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 8/28/2008 8:57:45 PM
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familyharmony1
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VocalCoach, I know well what you mean about others tearing you down. I, both as a Christian, and an artist in southern gospel, have had dealings with others whom seemed to make it their goal to tear others down yet at the same time claiming to be a true "christian". Now I am not in the place to judge them, thats between them and God, only he truely knows their heart and walk in this life, but I truely believe in an old saying, Actions Speak Louder Than Words! Lil Robert has been nothing but nice to me. Hes never treated me in any way that I would call un-christian, or having an ego problem. TO me, in my personal opinion, he is a very sweet hearted person, who truely loves others. Now, I have never met him face to face, but I would love to, I call a friend through you tube and myspace, and to be honest he called me a friend first. I am sorry that others have attacked you guys, But we know our Lord will Handle all this in his time. But there our those of us who are here not to tear you down but to do our true christian calling, and lift you both up to the Lord, and be a christian family, as we should. God Bless You Both!!
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 8/28/2008 10:25:16 PM
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Can't we all just get along....super chicken
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 8/29/2008 5:03:07 AM
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Can't we all just get along....super chicken
Yes....most of the time!
Welcome to our forums, Chesty!
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 8/29/2008 9:21:12 PM
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I have visited the youtube page several times and listened to the clips there. He is definately unique sounding, that's for sure. I don't want anyone to think I'm talking trash, because I'm not. I just don't personally care for his voice when he goes really high. He can hit the high notes like nobody's business, but I think his voice sounds unnatural when he gets up there. I know everyone has their own tastes, but I thought his voice sounded much better when he stayed in a more natural tone and didn't do so many movements in his notes.
I don't mean this in a mean spirited way but it is the only way that I can describe his voice. When he goes really high his voice sort of reminds me of the Chipmunks. It is clear as a bell and very strong, but just has that unique sound to it. Maybe someone else can describe it better, but that's just what it reminds me of.
To be honest, he could sing circles around me with his range. I would love to hear him live one day. I hope he joins another group or starts his own. As for his letdowns by his peers and friends, I hope that he doesn't take what I said as a put down. It is meant more as constructive critisism from someone that thinks that he has great potential.
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 8/31/2008 3:24:50 PM
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VocalCoach
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Once again, from someone who chooses to HIDE all contact information. First of all, I want to say that if you have ever heard Lil' Robert talk, you would know that that this a natural range for him. I have been his vocal coach for over 14 years and there is no falsetto in his voice range, only a slight head tone brought away from any nasal tones that most tenors pride themselves on, this is simply to protect the longevity of his vocal range as he gets older.
He may sound chipmonky to YOU, but when you sing and sustain with ease an Ab#6 You are far from being a lead vocalist or normal tenor, you have now entered into the soprano range.
God bless you and I pray this did not hurt your feelings neither,
VC
PS. A little constructive criticism for you ( which Lil' Robert Gets plenty of from me) If you are so interested in music, you should consider taking voice from an established professional and some extensive music courses including music theory.
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 8/31/2008 4:11:29 PM
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Actually, HigherNote4U has the option to send private messages available. It is possible to hide that; he/she is reachable, at least through these forums.
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 8/31/2008 4:44:04 PM
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Why is it that people want to come on here and promote themselves (or a close friend) but don't expect that there will be those who don't agree that they are they greatest thing since sliced bread. Yes we should be careful when we criticize but we should also be careful who we are trying to give honor to. In response to his range, yes its unreal how high his range is. I would agree that his tones are odd when he goes past a c or d. Vocal coach, what he is singing is a falsetto. It is a reinforced falsetto. Its not about range its where the note generates. Thats not a insult. He is still hitting the notes. For me though singing really high doesn't make one a better singer than another. Thats why you dont hear anyone in other genre's of music do that. I wish him all the best and im sure there are many people who love his style and I am for anyone who sings about my Lord.
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 8/31/2008 6:37:15 PM
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HigherNote4U
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VocalCoach,
Let me first say that I am not hiding my contact information from you. I will be happy to PM any of my information to anyone on here. As far as the "Chipmunk" comparison, that is the only sound that I could think of at the time. Maybe a better word would have been to say it has an "electronic" sound. A lot of people like that, and I'm not saying that the sound is a bad thing. I'm just saying that it is unusual sounding and unique, and I said that I personally thought his voice sounded better in the lower range. Again, a lot of people think that his voice is great just as it is. No one wants to sound exactly like other singers, and he definately has his own sound...one that the original poster knew was him just by the sound of his voice.
No, you did not hurt my feelings. I understand that you want to defend your husband from what people say, but understand that not all people prefer to hear the same things. If you go back and read my post you will see ALL of the compliments that I gave, and only my opinion to the one thing about his voice that I didn't care for.
As far as the vocal coaching suggestion, is that an offer? I actually have been looking for some time. I have the Brett Manning's Singing Success CD series but a lot of it is over your head when you have no one there to explain something that you don't understand. I have talked with tenor singers in the past about getting some tips and have recently talked with Jerry Martin of the Dove Brothers for some tips. I may be meeting him in September to get some pointers from him. Again, if that was a serious offer then you can PM me for more inormation.
Thanks
Neal
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ORIGINAL: VocalCoach
Once again, from someone who chooses to HIDE all contact information. First of all, I want to say that if you have ever heard Lil' Robert talk, you would know that that this a natural range for him. I have been his vocal coach for over 14 years and there is no falsetto in his voice range, only a slight head tone brought away from any nasal tones that most tenors pride themselves on, this is simply to protect the longevity of his vocal range as he gets older.
He may sound chipmonky to YOU, but when you sing and sustain with ease an Ab#6 You are far from being a lead vocalist or normal tenor, you have now entered into the soprano range.
God bless you and I pray this did not hurt your feelings neither,
VC
PS. A little constructive criticism for you ( which Lil' Robert Gets plenty of from me) If you are so interested in music, you should consider taking voice from an established professional and some extensive music courses including music theory.
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 9/24/2008 11:31:28 PM
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Approximately three weeks ago I responded to your post via P.M., adding within my message my husbands personal cell phone number in case you needed to contact him regarding your comments about his singing technique. I, nor he has heard from you as of yet?
Just for notation...there is no such musical term as "reinforced falsetto".
Robert along with tenors like David Phelps and Wesley Smith are known as Countertenors. Who are able to reach notes above the normal tenor range WITHOUT going to false tones.
If you would like to learn more you can visit this web site...
http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/
God Bless,
Mrs. Denise Richardson
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Why is it that people want to come on here and promote themselves (or a close friend) but don't expect that there will be those who don't agree that they are they greatest thing since sliced bread. Yes we should be careful when we criticize but we should also be careful who we are trying to give honor to. In response to his range, yes its unreal how high his range is. I would agree that his tones are odd when he goes past a c or d. Vocal coach, what he is singing is a falsetto. It is a reinforced falsetto. Its not about range its where the note generates. Thats not a insult. He is still hitting the notes. For me though singing really high doesn't make one a better singer than another. Thats why you dont hear anyone in other genre's of music do that. I wish him all the best and im sure there are many people who love his style and I am for anyone who sings about my Lord.
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 9/25/2008 12:34:03 AM
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SLADJ
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Uh, VocalCoach, there may not be an official term in the VT music dictionary for "reinforced falsetto" , but a lot of tenors seem to use it as seen in this thread on a tenors message board...
http://www.grandi-tenori.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3156
If you Google the term, you will see it used many other places, so maybe it SHOULD be in the VT music dictonary.
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RE: 'Lil Robert - 9/26/2008 10:56:51 PM
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VocalCoach
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Again, there is no such FORMAL musical term as "Reinforced Falsetto" This is a fabricated term used by uneducated vocalist that is used to justify SCREAMING to achieve a vocal range easily reached by countertenors or sopranos. But this type of so called reinforced falsetto leads to bleeding vocal cords, vocal cord nodules and possibly polyps, vocal cord surgery and orders from your doctor not to speak above a whisper for several days.
http://www.doctorhoffman.com/xpolyp.htm
(Refer to the third paragraph of link above)
This happens a lot within the Southern Gospel click, many will say it is due to acid reflux or singing to hard, you CANNOT sing to hard if you are singing correctly and a teaspoon of lemon juice will cleanse the cords of most impurities, the nodules are caused by incorrect singing technique. If you are screaming and FORCING false tones above your natural range...This is not correct singing technique and will soon lead to vocal damage.
Natural tenors as Pavarotti, David Phelps and Robert's favorite tenor Lawrence Brownlee will never have these problems, even after many years of singing night after night.
I am not trying to be hard to get along with or to be argumentative....only to inform you of the dangers of singing in this so called reinforced falsetto. It will shorten your singing career, damage your voice and reduce your vocal range as you get older. Don't take my word for it, study voice as I have for 25 years...learn not, by reading tenor forum post unless you know they have credentials to back up their statements as I do. Sing in your natural range and perfect it. If you desire to advance your vocal range, do it correctly with help from a professional vocal coach.
Singing extremly high doesn't make anyone a better vocalist, but we must make our self a better vocalist, to do it correctly.
May God Bless you in your singing ministry,
and NEVER let anyone tell you...you can't,
VC
PS. here is a link to hear Lawrence Brownlee (He begins around the 3 min. mark) Notice his mouth as it is open, not closed upon singing in his upper register, as most gospel tenors do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRyDjubPJYA
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Uh, VocalCoach, there may not be an official term in the VT music dictionary for "reinforced falsetto" , but a lot of tenors seem to use it as seen in this thread on a tenors message board...
http://www.grandi-tenori.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3156
If you Google the term, you will see it used many other places, so maybe it SHOULD be in the VT music dictonary.
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