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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/7/2008 3:39:38 PM
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URForgiven
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You know in all sincerity when we preach on grace; we are preaching on sin and the avenue that God gave us for forgiveness of that sin.
When we teach on love; we are teaching on sio, for if one is truly walking in love one cannot sin. What you say???
If I love my wife, I will not commit adultery, if I love my neighbor I will not steal nor lie about them, if I love myself the way God loves me, I will not put drugs into my arm. etc. etc. etc.
So it is all about sin, the committing of sin, the forgiveness of sin, the ability of Christians not to sin, etc.
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No, it is all about Love, and being loving, and forgiving in love, the ability of Christ to love through us, etc.
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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/7/2008 3:57:19 PM
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rcjames
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
You know in all sincerity when we preach on grace; we are preaching on sin and the avenue that God gave us for forgiveness of that sin.
When we teach on love; we are teaching on sio, for if one is truly walking in love one cannot sin. What you say???
If I love my wife, I will not commit adultery, if I love my neighbor I will not steal nor lie about them, if I love myself the way God loves me, I will not put drugs into my arm. etc. etc. etc.
So it is all about sin, the committing of sin, the forgiveness of sin, the ability of Christians not to sin, etc.
Thanks
RC
No, it is all about Love, and being loving, and forgiving in love, the ability of Christ to love through us, etc.
Peace
But you miss the reason for love which is to not sin, because sin cannot be in the presence of God.
And God's goal is for us to be in His presence.
It is all about not sinning. And walking in love we will not sin.
Thsnks
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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/7/2008 4:36:21 PM
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URForgiven
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
You know in all sincerity when we preach on grace; we are preaching on sin and the avenue that God gave us for forgiveness of that sin.
When we teach on love; we are teaching on sio, for if one is truly walking in love one cannot sin. What you say???
If I love my wife, I will not commit adultery, if I love my neighbor I will not steal nor lie about them, if I love myself the way God loves me, I will not put drugs into my arm. etc. etc. etc.
So it is all about sin, the committing of sin, the forgiveness of sin, the ability of Christians not to sin, etc.
Thanks
RC
No, it is all about Love, and being loving, and forgiving in love, the ability of Christ to love through us, etc.
Peace
But you miss the reason for love which is to not sin, because sin cannot be in the presence of God.
And God's goal is for us to be in His presence.
It is all about not sinning. And walking in love we will not sin.
Thsnks
RC
No. You miss the reality of Christ's shed blood on the cross, which has taken away our sins, once and for all. The reason we love is because Christ first loved us, and He showed that love for us by going to the cross. God has removed our sins and the curtain that once separated us from God has been torn apart from the top down.
Gods goal for us is that we be conformed into the image of His Son through the renewing of our minds by the Holy Spirit. We are already in Gods presence, seated with Christ.
Christ living His life in and through us as we abide in Him, resting in His sufficiency, being totally dependent upon Him...then and only then are we not sinning. And then and only then is Christ producing the fruit of His Spirit through us.
Peace
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are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" Galatians 3:3
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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/7/2008 6:37:52 PM
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rcjames
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Christ living His life in and through us as we abide in Him, resting in His sufficiency, being totally dependent upon Him...then and only then are we not sinning. And then and only then is Christ producing the fruit of His Spirit through us.
Peace
As I said those who are walking in love will not sin.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/8/2008 8:11:06 AM
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I spent a lot of years in a church where we were hammered pretty soundly on a pretty regular basis and I imagine that one reason some preachers might be a little light on the subject could be because they have congregants who have some of that in their background and they may be trying to be sensitive to it. But of course you can't skirt the issue completely either. Spiritual abuse is unfortunate, of course, but it's the truth that makes us free, not some watered down version of it.
However having come from that, I can really appreciate a pastor who has the gift of addressing sin while still letting you know that you're loved and the overall sense being one of hope and not what a lousy person you are. Here are some conclusions I've come to over the years:
1. Your flesh isn't going to get any better. The Bible says that the carnal mind is at enmity against God, is not reconciled to the law of God, neither indeed can be. We all have flesh (sin nature) and our flesh doesn't "get better" as we mature in Christ, but rather we learn to live by the directing of the Spirit and not the dictates of the flesh.
2. Don't preach that something is a sin if the Bible doesn't call it sin. For example, I once heard a preacher say that a woman's breasts are strictly for the nurturing of the infant and that it is a sin for the man to find any sexual gratification from them. Not meaning to be embarrassing or inappropriate, but the Bible speaks in Proverbs 5:18,19 actually exhorting the man to find satisfaction in his wife's breasts. There is no Scripture that says otherwise.
3. The difference between condemnation from the enemy and conviction from the Holy Spirit is that condemnation leaves you stuck with what a worm you are, whereas conviction seeks to bring you to a higher place. Also, condemnation is often vague: "You're just not a very good Christian." Conviction is specific: "The way that you spoke to your wife this morning was demeaning to her."
4. There's a difference between struggling with sin and playing with sin. I'm careful about this one because it's in our sin nature to always be looking for loopholes for the flesh. But the truth is there is a difference. I used to work with Teen Challenge and it was always important as I ministered there to understand that difference. It was always important to understand where a person was in relation to their sin in order for me to minister appropriately. If someone's playing with sin you may need the spirit of slap to come on you to minister what they need. If someone's struggling, well, you don't want to beat them up.
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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/8/2008 9:36:56 AM
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My pastor preaches about sin all the time. I am beginning to get the feeling he is against it.
I think you may be right...
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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/8/2008 9:46:51 AM
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To address the OP: A lot of churches don't deal with the "sin" issue directly and that is a shame. In my church the pastor doesn't talk directly about sin being bad. He talks about obedience being good. I'm not the senior pastor, but I am a minister on staff. In my sermons I don't shy away from talking about sin, but I also don't try to alienate my listeners. I want them to understand that there is a better way and His name is Jesus.
If we focus on the negative of sin what we get is what we deserve. If we focus on the positive of Jesus, faith in Him and obedience to Him (as a result of that faith) then we get God's best (His peace, His joy, etc.).
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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/9/2008 3:58:41 AM
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DSmitty
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If we focus on the negative of sin what we get is what we deserve. If we focus on the positive of Jesus, faith in Him and obedience to Him (as a result of that faith) then we get God's best (His peace, His joy, etc.).
Amen - I think you hit the nail on the head. Too much focus on our own falling short can be counter-productive in that it will have us going introspective; looking at ourselves and what a mess we are. It's only looking to Jesus that gains us victory. It is Christ in us that is the hope of glory.
The enemy's goal is always to put the focus on us and our short-comings. Sometimes they may need to be addressed, but Satan doesn't want us to address them, he wants to disqualify us and derail us. It is in these times that we have to remember that whether we qualify or not is not the point; the point is that Jesus qualifies and He lives in us.
I don't know where you are all at with this sort of thing, but just to illustrate: I heard an interesting story about a man who confronted a demon possessed person. The demon said to him, "You can't cast me out because you didn't pray and fast." (referring to the verse where Jesus said, "This kind comes not out but by prayer and fasting" - and yes I know there is debate as to if that belongs there or not, but that's not the point) Instead of getting into an argument with the demon about if he qualified or not or trying to justify himself he said, "No, but Jesus prayed and fasted, and in JESUS NAME..." and he cast the demon out.
The point again being that it is the enemy's goal to get us to focus on ourselves and our problems because he knows that self cannot overcome self. Christ in us is the overcomer. We have to keep our eyes on Jesus.
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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/9/2008 4:32:51 PM
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Mine's does and he tells it like it is. He does not preach about prosperity or how to give to get, but he and the other people who are pastors of other churches, even though they came from hard backrounds, their congreations grew and they preach from the word of God.
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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/9/2008 7:02:56 PM
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While we're talking about preaching about sin, don't forget that sin isn't the whole story. In addition to reaching new converts, the church needs to help new converts grow. And that doesn't just happen in Sunday School.
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RE: Teaching/Preaching about Sin? - 8/10/2008 8:48:45 AM
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DSmitty
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While we're talking about preaching about sin, don't forget that sin isn't the whole story. In addition to reaching new converts, the church needs to help new converts grow. And that doesn't just happen in Sunday School.
Amen, armydude.
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