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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/6/2008 2:53:10 PM
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Carico
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Yes, that's true. I wasn't trying to start a debate about interpreting Scripture - rather, making a point for Robto that fallible humans can produce an inerrant Bible, under the guidance of the Lord God. The CSOBI just says it SO much better than I ever could!
Interestingly, though, the Bible nowhere makes the claim that it is inerrant.
False. John 1:1-2 says, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning."
So to claim that the Word of God is errant is to claim that God is errant.
Also, 2 Ti 3:16, "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness so that he man of God is thoroughly equipped for every good work.'
And Hebrews 4:12, "The word of God is living and active..."
So the Word of God is as alive and eternal as God is because it was written by the Holy Spirit and God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are One.  So the bible not only says that the word is as inerrant as God is, it confirms that fact all throughout scripture.
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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/6/2008 3:14:04 PM
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Interestingly, though, the Bible nowhere makes the claim that it is inerrant.
False. John 1:1-2 says, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning."
So to claim that the Word of God is errant is to claim that God is errant.
And John 1:1-2 is not talking about the bible.
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Also, 2 Ti 3:16, "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness so that he man of God is thoroughly equipped for every good work.'
Note that one thing Paul does not say about the scriptures is that they are inerrant.
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And Hebrews 4:12, "The word of God is living and active..."
But now we are back to the "word" not the "scriptures". Is this the same Word that John was speaking of---the one that is not the bible?
In fact, the bible never refers to the scriptures as the "word of God".
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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/6/2008 3:45:11 PM
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I have no choice but to use every medical help that doctors can give me. But again, they can't save of us from death. Only Jesus can. So it's wise to remember these words of Christ; "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?" And it never profits a man to risk his soul in order to change God's word to fit the beliefs of mortal men since the words of mortal men will disappear like a mist.
And now we know where you draw the line: If your child's life is on the line, you will gladly do what medical science, doctors, tell you, even if they are ruled by Satan himself. Just like the rest of us, you have limits. Somewhere there is a line we will not cross, some point at which fear takes over.
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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/6/2008 4:13:27 PM
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Carico
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Interestingly, though, the Bible nowhere makes the claim that it is inerrant.
False. John 1:1-2 says, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning."
So to claim that the Word of God is errant is to claim that God is errant.
And John 1:1-2 is not talking about the bible.
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Also, 2 Ti 3:16, "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness so that he man of God is thoroughly equipped for every good work.'
Note that one thing Paul does not say about the scriptures is that they are inerrant.
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And Hebrews 4:12, "The word of God is living and active..."
But now we are back to the "word" not the "scriptures". Is this the same Word that John was speaking of---the one that is not the bible?
In fact, the bible never refers to the scriptures as the "word of God".
What do you think the Word as referred to in John 1;1-2 is? the code of Hamurabi?
So if you claim that all scripture which is God breathed makes the bible errant, you are also claiming that God is errant. Sorry, but the God I worship isn't errant any more than His word is full of errors. So you and I worship different Gods. 
So if you think the bible is not the word of God, then where do you find the Word of God, Glaudys? And if you don't know, then how do you know who God is if you don't know where to find out what he says?
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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/6/2008 9:51:35 PM
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gluadys
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What do you think the Word as referred to in John 1;1-2 is? the code of Hamurabi?
Seems you don't know your bible as well as you think. The Word John refers to is described in vs. 3 as "being in the beginning with God". This rules out both the bible and the code of Hammurabi as both had a beginning in human history and were non-existent in the beginning with God.
John further refers to this same Word in vs. 14 where he says "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory of a father's only son, full of grace and truth." Doesn't sound like a book to me.
As we continue we find John (the evangelist) referring to what John (the Baptist) said of this Word made flesh. "This is he of whom I said 'He who comes after me ranks ahead of me because he was before me.' " And if you keep reading through to vs. 18 the Word of John 1:1 is clearly identified as Christ.
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So if you think the bible is not the word of God, then where do you find the Word of God, Glaudys?
Where the bible tells me to: in Christ.
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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/6/2008 10:26:20 PM
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In ancient times, many people saw their rulers or emperors as gods. It's no different today except that the gods of the 21st century are scientists. They are automatically trusted to the degree that many people who call themselves Christians try to change the bible to fit what scientists say instead of the other way around.
So I guess you miss the irony in the term "creation scientist". It would seem that creationists treat science as a god given their continuous efforts to make their religion look scientific. When was the last time you heard a scientist call creationism "just another science"? However, you see creationists calling evolution "just another religion" all of the time. The pedestal that you think science has been placed on is your own doing.
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These people who worship scientists as gods never challenge scientists who are fallible human beings. Instead, they defend everything scientists claim no matter how impossible, ridiculous, or how much they contradict the bible and they change God's word instead.
Scientists are revered due to their impact on our understanding of reality. Are you saying that these people do not deserve a small dose of thanks?
But that's as far as it goes. If you really think that scientists are worshipped as gods then I really have to question your grasp of reality. If that were so then why do I have to apply to keep my job every 3 years in a grant system where only 5-10% of grants are accepted (at least for the moment). Would you think that you were being worshipped if you had a 5-10% of keeping your job?
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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/7/2008 2:23:31 AM
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What do you think the Word as referred to in John 1;1-2 is? the code of Hamurabi?
Seems you don't know your bible as well as you think. The Word John refers to is described in vs. 3 as "being in the beginning with God". This rules out both the bible and the code of Hammurabi as both had a beginning in human history and were non-existent in the beginning with God.
John further refers to this same Word in vs. 14 where he says "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory of a father's only son, full of grace and truth." Doesn't sound like a book to me.
As we continue we find John (the evangelist) referring to what John (the Baptist) said of this Word made flesh. "This is he of whom I said 'He who comes after me ranks ahead of me because he was before me.' " And if you keep reading through to vs. 18 the Word of John 1:1 is clearly identified as Christ.
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So if you think the bible is not the word of God, then where do you find the Word of God, Glaudys?
Where the bible tells me to: in Christ.
Do you know what the word "word" means? Obviously not. It is what one speaks. The term "word" doesn't mean beginning. it takes much effort to twist the bible to the degree that you have. That's like Bill Clinton trying to redefine the word "is" to pass along his lies also. But that's what people have to do to twist the bible; redefine simple words and make them mean something totally unrelated to what they mean.
But since it's Satan's job to keep people from believing the bible, he does his job extremely well. he can turn 6 days into billions of years, the dust of the ground into the wombs of apes and the word "word" into meaning the "beginning." No other book becomes as garbled and twisted as some people try to make the bible. They can change the bible into a completely different book than what it says and claim that God said it that differently. But again, that doesn't fool the elect and it certainly doesn't foold God. Sorry.
Whatever you say, the 'word' referred to can not be the bible, since the bible did not exist then.
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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/7/2008 8:51:42 AM
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gluadys
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The term "word" doesn't mean beginning.
No, and "in the beginning" doesn't mean "beginning"either.
John 1:3 says the Word was in the beginning with God.
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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/10/2008 6:09:59 AM
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How do you know if scientists agree with reality since you never question them?
Science and scientists are constantly questioned.
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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/10/2008 8:51:05 AM
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They are automatically trusted to the degree that many people who call themselves Christians try to change the bible to fit what scientists say instead of the other way around.
OMG, really!?
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RE: The gods of the 21st century - 8/10/2008 8:59:39 AM
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How do you know if scientists agree with reality since you never question them? Where do apes turn into people in reality?
Carico, please quote a scientist who claims this. I would like to see it, honestly.
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Where do apes turn into people in reality? 
But he didn't fool anyone but himself any more than you do. And deleting posts and threads doesn't change that one bit. Sorry.