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Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong
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| TRUE - Christians have no business ever drinking alcohol |
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| FALSE - Cristians having an occasional glass of wine is not sinful |
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(last vote on : 10/5/2008 1:40:56 AM)
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 8/20/2008 5:17:03 PM
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/1/2008 8:11:01 PM
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shell18_86
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we read in the bible that jesus turned water into wine for every one to drink. saying that having a glass of wine is a sin is the same as saying jesus was a sinner....but jesus was not a sinner. now if you drink and drink until you get drunk then yes that would probably be sinning..and especially if you drink and drive because then you are endangering other peoples lives. but having one glass of wine is not by no means a sin.
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/1/2008 8:13:09 PM
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I am drinking a glass of shiraz right now.
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/2/2008 12:29:58 AM
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How much does a "typical" wine glass in the USA hold? I'm curious because in the UK wine glasses can vary from 125ml, to 175ml or sometimes even 250ml. It's come up in the news here recently because some people have just been assuming that 1 glass of wine = 1 unit of alcohol, not realising that glasses vary in size, and inadvertently going over the recommended daily/weekly maximum healthwise.
Btw, for the record, though I am teetotal, my husband is not (he has a very occasional Guinness or sometimes a glass of wine with a meal - that bottle then lasting a month or two).
However, I could not answer the original poll, because I believe it's more complicated than that, and didn't want to just vote, but possibly leave an erroneous/incomplete impression
Because whilst it may well not be sinful for a Christian to drink alcohol moderately, it might not be beneficial or wise. And also, what "moderately" consists of can vary from person to person.
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/2/2008 5:58:50 PM
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manda59
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How much does a "typical" wine glass in the USA hold? I'm curious because in the UK wine glasses can vary from 125ml, to 175ml or sometimes even 250ml. It's come up in the news here recently because some people have just been assuming that 1 glass of wine = 1 unit of alcohol, not realising that glasses vary in size, and inadvertently going over the recommended daily/weekly maximum healthwise.
The comparison you are citing assumes that the glass of wine is 6 oz. (175 ml) and is approximately 10%.
We may have different alcohol unit measurements than you do. Here is the UK a 125ml glass of wine is equal to one unit.
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/2/2008 9:34:32 PM
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I don't think we have something called a "unit" of alcohol here, Manda. At least not something that is widely used and understood.
Everything I have seen just refers to "drink" and defines a "drink" as 12 oz beer, a glass of wine or an ounce of distilled liquor.
Glass size does vary, but if you order wine in a restaurant you are probably going to get a little less than five ounces (US ounces, which are .96 of a UK ounce). I have never been to a restaurant where they would fill a large wine glass even half full.
The beer referred to is also confusing, as I think it refers to something with a fairly low alcohol content, but there are specialty beers that have quite a bit more alcohol in them.
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/3/2008 1:33:22 AM
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Does it say He drank any?
well no...you are right it does not say he drank any....but then i guess the question is...would he make wine for others to drink ( therefore encouraging them to drink the wine ) if it was a sin? would jesus tell us it was ok to do something if in fact it was not? but you did make a good point.
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/3/2008 7:29:21 AM
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manda59
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ORIGINAL: Ps103
I don't think we have something called a "unit" of alcohol here, Manda. At least not something that is widely used and understood.
In the UK we have government/State watchdog-type guidelines/suggestions for what is a "safe" daily maximum for health.
BBC - How many units is my drink?
National Health Service - Know Your Limits
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/3/2008 3:59:00 PM
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armydude
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Excellent point Jimbo!
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/3/2008 4:26:33 PM
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txpope
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
As I understand the arguement...
the high priest did not drink alcohol.....Jesus came as the High Priest...hence, to be Christ like, we should not drink alcohol.
I am not sure that is the correct interpretation...or implimentation...but I believe that is "their" arguement.
Not the correct interp. The problem is with excess. In the bible it talks about the religious teachers and others calling Jesus a drunkard. It is convitction that often leads to other people judging someone and a total lack of understanding the message.
I drink occasionally. I quit for about 2 years due to the problems I had caused by being a drunkard. I have since learned a bit more about moderation, though not perfect I am trying.
If you think in your heart that drinking is wrong, that is your opinion and not meant to be used as a judgement for others and what they do.
Hope that helps.......
God Bless
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/3/2008 11:06:06 PM
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Welcome, Tx!
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/5/2008 6:38:14 PM
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Yep. Moderation with anything is a beautiful thing.
Too bad that we don't teach it. We only seem to teach the extremes.
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/9/2008 11:40:01 AM
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We only seem to teach the extremes.
Wow, another poster with some brain cells between the ears! Huzzah!
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RE: Christians Drinking Wine (Moderately) is Wrong - 9/9/2008 11:56:11 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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ORIGINAL: Hayseed
Yep. Moderation with anything is a beautiful thing.
Too bad that we don't teach it. We only seem to teach the extremes.
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ORIGINAL: car2ner
We only seem to teach the extremes.
Wow, another poster with some brain cells between the ears! Huzzah!
Does this mean I must practice moderation with latkes? (Please say no! Latkes are not wine. Say I can have as many as I want! Another, please!)
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